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Sirius42 wrote:You know, i would'nt hate them for doing a Baal land raider (3 AC or 2 ac 1 hb)

Don't give us such a wonderful idealistic dream.. Well to be perfectly honest that might not be as effective as you think compared to the other land raiders

Damnit! more loyalist codexes and mine still sucks!?!?!

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..Dude the Chaos codex is really good
It's just GW decided to under power slaanesh

Which is weird considering how good it is in warhammer fantasy

fire4effekt wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

Vulkan wrote:GW has stopped shipping out Blood Angel stuff. Which is the same thing they did with the Space Wolves, Skaven, and Tyranids (more recently) in advance of a whole bunch of new stuff coming soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Blood Angels and Tyranids get released at the same time to capitalize on the people that want to get into 40K after playing Space Hulk.

????????????? Blood Angels have been direct only for several years. Stores can order them at a lesser discount through direct services, but they have been gone for years. Nothing new here. Some Nids and Skaven are starting to move to direct, and most wolves have been direct only for years.

I wouldn't take this as much of a sign.

Thats not true, Blood angels have just moved to direct according to my latest email(we restocked yesterday and got 2 dantes, and an honor guard), and we have been getting space wolf restock up untill about 2 months ago.

Absolutely is true. A couple of BA codes have been available at odd times, but the bulk of the army has been off the trade order form for years.

For space wolves, there were 3 boxes available, and I think one blister. 90% of their line has been direct for years.

All I do is run two large gaming stores, for the last 22 years. 7 days a week right now. I pay a lot of attention to what I can order through trade, and what I have to get direct.

But-but my information is never off ._.
... The bell of lost souls and /tg/ have never ever failed me in the past



Early-mid 2010
Chatter has been growing regarding nids from several sources, and their general sci-fi popularity tends to see them updated somewhat regularly compared to the more specialized xenos codices. Blood Angels seems odd, but its is a recurring theme, and perhaps the design studio is unhappy with the results of the White Dwarf codex? Perhaps a percieved coat-tails tie-in with Space Hulk?

-Blood Angels
-Tyranids

it's good....? Hell no I had to revamp my army because of the fact the legion's got nerfed, they kinda got wiped.

My poor....poor doomrider.

Doom rider? Talk about a fail.

Shadowbrand wrote:it's good....? Hell no I had to revamp my army because of the fact the legion's got nerfed, they kinda got wiped.

My poor....poor doomrider.

He does C-c-c-c-c-cocaine

Vulkan Wrote:
..Dude the Chaos codex is really good

I agree...

Staying on topic however; I think they may need to be careful about how they change the blood angels though, although yeah they definately should be brought in line with the current SM 'dex. Altho I dont own either the new Sm codex (I play SW's and their new 1 is stand alone) I have come bloody close 2 collecting BA's so I'd like to see how their new codex pans out. Anyway my ideas for the next Blood Angels codex are these:

- as for a Baal Land Raider, isnt that basically the LR Redeemer: Assault Cannon and Flamer sponsons...
- IMHO they should remove (or limit) assault squads as troops as altho theyre very much a CC army, the blood angels arent rapid assault like, say, Raven Guard; so assault squads as troops cud cause all jump pack armies, which dont really fit in with the BA fluff.
- Instead of assault squad troops i feel they should make, for example, Assault Tactical Squads - tactical squads with CCW's and something like fleet and/or furious charge ( after-all beserkers get on fine without jump pack's). this way you get classic BA brute force and lethal CC but without Raven Guard speed. (but still fast nonetheless! )
- BRING BACK THE RHINO RUSH! (for the blood angels anyway), this could link to my previous point by having instead of say 'fleet' the BA's can assault out of Rhinos (say due to special training) which will once again allow them to get into their typical usual CC without the jump packs...
- How about a BA specific weapon of a 2-handed chainsword that doubles the wielders strength and rends
- to represent the whole blood drinking/ red thirst thing how about a special character or something that when he wounds an enemy it 'replaces' any of his lost ones
- I reckon Death Company should keep their current rules but have the potential to feild more of them, say through D3-1 Death Company per infantry squad: these really need to be feared (and well they wont be if theres only 4 of em'! )

anyway those are just my suggestions...

Vulkan wrote:But-but my information is never off ._.
... The bell of lost souls and /tg/ have never ever failed me in the past



Early-mid 2010
Chatter has been growing regarding nids from several sources, and their general sci-fi popularity tends to see them updated somewhat regularly compared to the more specialized xenos codices. Blood Angels seems odd, but its is a recurring theme, and perhaps the design studio is unhappy with the results of the White Dwarf codex? Perhaps a percieved coat-tails tie-in with Space Hulk?

-Blood Angels
-Tyranids

Not your information really. Rumors you read on other sites. Notice it's a bit vaguely worded, and lots of question marks?

And I'm not even trying to claim that there is not a BA codex coming next year. I have no clue, and zero information either way. I'm just saying that most BA models have been direct for years, and are not suddenly starting to disappear. Nids are. Nid codex and battleforce went away a few weeks ago. This is a good indication of nids getting a new codex next year. Especially since it's a plastic set that went OOP. Metal models going direct happens all the time the last two years. Most of Tomb Kings is now direct, as are blister lines of several other armies.

Sirius42 wrote:You know, i would'nt hate them for doing a Baal land raider (3 AC or 2 ac 1 hb)

Not QUITE the same thing, but have you ever seen the Prometheus Command Tank over on Forge World? That and a Crusader are the only LR's in my inventory. Sure, you can't use it in standard games but if your store is anything like mine then you have people hungering for something, anything different. 4 twin linked heavy bolters, re-roll a reserve roll every turn. That tank was charmed for me. Out of 12 shots, I would hit 11-12 a turn. Never failed. Beautiful.

Vulkan wrote:But-but my information is never off ._.
... The bell of lost souls and /tg/ have never ever failed me in the past
...

Get used to disappointment, then.

Chickenlegs! wrote:
- IMHO they should remove (or limit) assault squads as troops as altho theyre very much a CC army, the blood angels arent rapid assault like, say, Raven Guard; so assault squads as troops cud cause all jump pack armies, which dont really fit in with the BA fluff.

Really? Have you read any BA fluff? They are "fluffed" to have a VERY high proportion of assault squads compared to other chapters. Also, for the last ten years they have had rules to reflect it; this Assault Troops as Troops choices on the FO is just the most recent rule supporting that, and does give them the option, for the first time, to be ALL JP. Also, given they were the original army to get +1 A +1 I on the charge, that makes them an assault army, NOT a CC army. Assault is a subset of CC to be sure, but in order to take best advantage of their rules you needed to keep your units constantly assaulting other units; not just stuck into assault. They do fine stuck into CC, but not near as well as if you can keep them constantly assaulting an enemy.

Chickenlegs! wrote:
- Instead of assault squad troops i feel they should make, for example, Assault Tactical Squads - tactical squads with CCW's and something like fleet and/or furious charge ( after-all beserkers get on fine without jump pack's). this way you get classic BA brute force and lethal CC but without Raven Guard speed. (but still fast nonetheless! )...

How is that different from taking the JP's off your Assault Squad Troops choices and putting them in Rhinos without further cost (I hesitate to call it "free"), excepting of course the terrible derth of options for both Assault and Tac Squads for BA under the current codex?

Chickenlegs! wrote:
- BRING BACK THE RHINO RUSH! (for the blood angels anyway), this could link to my previous point by having instead of say 'fleet' the BA's can assault out of Rhinos (say due to special training) which will once again allow them to get into their typical usual CC without the jump packs...

With some slight mods, the Rhino Rush is quite alive and well for BA, thanks. Sure, they can't assault out of Rhinos anymore, but Fast Rhinos go far toward negating that. You just have to change your tactics a bit.

Chickenlegs! wrote:
- How about a BA specific weapon of a 2-handed chainsword that doubles the wielders strength and rends

That's just crazy talk. Might as well just hand them all Power Weapons with +3 A +4S.

Chickenlegs! wrote:
- to represent the whole blood drinking/ red thirst thing how about a special character or something that when he wounds an enemy it 'replaces' any of his lost ones

Far to Chaosy. They may be headin down that road, but they ain't arrived yet. But that damn Death Company Army list that Gav Thorpe wrote up back in the day was a sure big step, lol.

Chickenlegs! wrote:
- I reckon Death Company should keep their current rules but have the potential to feild more of them, say through D3-1 Death Company per infantry squad: these really need to be feared (and well they wont be if theres only 4 of em'! )

As a BA player I think this would be stupid unless you reduced the # of squads you could pull BA from. Back in the day, when you got D3+3 DC with each chaplian you bought (max 2 chaplains), I made a list once that rolled out to 1 DC unit with 2 Chaplains and 22 DC. It was ridiculous. It was way over powered; most of them came out of 15 point Tac Squads. The obvious counter is to feed them untis to keep them busy, but with a mix of PW and PF they ate through whatever you threw at them.

Chickenlegs! wrote:- IMHO they should remove (or limit) assault squads as troops as altho theyre very much a CC army, the blood angels arent rapid assault like, say, Raven Guard; so assault squads as troops cud cause all jump pack armies, which dont really fit in with the BA fluff.
- Instead of assault squad troops i feel they should make, for example, Assault Tactical Squads - tactical squads with CCW's and something like fleet and/or furious charge.

Assault Marines with, Jump Packs, Bolters and two Special weapon options... Like a super mobile tactical squad. After having seen old BA Assault Marines with Plasma Guns, I think that it's more than possible. Plus it's awesome. Sanguinius would be proud of such a perfect unit option.

Edit: Or even just give Tactical Squads the option of having Jump Packs and dropping a Heavy Weapon for another Special Weapon!

Well assault squad troops are what makes Blood Angels awesome (also their vet assault squad). I don't care about fluff, but I'll pay 140 points for a mobile troop choice. They need to keep the vet assault squad the same, whats better than assault troops with bolters? What i would like though is if they decide to take the assault squad out, then they should have a khorm berserker like squad with base 2 attacks and +1 ws..

Who was it saying mephiston gets an average of 8 attacks on the charge?
I fething wish.

4 basic, 1 charge and 1-3 with a power used, so 8 at best, allthough an average of 7.
To be honest though, i think afew special characters need eternal, otherwise they just get blasted off the table in turn 1.

also, shave the points down, BA pay tons more than anyone else for the same unit, but with less options

Make scouts troops!
I want sniper scouts, but a: they are elite and b: its around 200 for 10, making them as much as a tac squad without much gear -_-


Also, the current DC rules are nice, but how about giving them back thier options? just rending alone doesent make up for the loss of a PF in the unit, allthough, i guess the chappy could take this role.

The biggest DC I got back in the was a squad of 11 with jump packs a power sword all being lead by chaplain Smiggles

JD21290 wrote:Who was it saying mephiston gets an average of 8 attacks on the charge?
I fething wish.

4 basic, 1 charge and 1-3 with a power used, so 8 at best, allthough an average of 7.

Mephiston has two weapons, so it's actually 7-9 attacks.

It would make sense for them to do Blood Angels after Tyranids. The release would be small, probably even smaller than the release for Space Wolves. A few new special characters, possibly an Honour Guard box, maybe a new vehicle variant. Done.

Way easier than the armies that actually need it!

Never actually thought about his force wep + plasma
for some reason i was counting the force wep as a special weapon lol.


minmax: BA do have an honour guard box, but in all honesty, its gak due to being mostly metal.
I think the best bet if you want a command honour guard is just to kitbash the command squad and assault squad :(

Looking at the pups releases, i highly doubt BA will get any extra characters or models for existing ones :(
Lem needs a change badly, since he looks like gak, but all other characters look fine still, maybe a tad static in the poses, but still good.

JD21290 wrote:

also, shave the points down, BA pay tons more than anyone else for the same unit, but with less options

I think this is due to paying extra points for the sergeants to have Terminator Honours as standard, altho I dont know whether this is the case with the new SM codex, but it atleast was when the BA's one was 'released'. To back up my point, Termies cost the same as normal, whereas other troops which have the Vet. Sergeant upgrade automatically cost more than normal. I dont know if this is (or still is) the case but its my theory...

dont have the basic marine dex to hand here, but for BA thats not allways the case, even basic preds cost more lol, just seems that allmost every unit has been knocked up a few more points for the hell of it.

Out of curiosity, how much do basic marines pay for 10 sniper scouts? (just standard ones, no upgrades)

Sniper Scouts in the normal Space Marine Codex of 10 is

140

Blood Angel players you may now flip out

JD21290 wrote:Never actually thought about his force wep + plasma
for some reason i was counting the force wep as a special weapon lol.


minmax: BA do have an honour guard box, but in all honesty, its gak due to being mostly metal.

Metal models are just an excuse to broaden your Tooling Colleciton. With the proper tools, it's no worse than working on plastic; just a tad more time intensive and differen limitations. For me, at least.

JD21290 wrote:
Lem needs a change badly, since he looks like gak, but all other characters look fine still, maybe a tad static in the poses, but still good.

Lemartes is one of my Top Pics for gak Model of the Year. I have a collection of other chaplain models, but will never use that piece of gak. I might melt him down for use as a muzzle-loader round, but I don't really know anyone or thing I hate enough to shoot with it.

I can get along with static poses. In the realm of model designer sins, this is certainly one, but a minor one.

What I would like to see in blood angels(as well as every army) is unique abilities and stats. BA should be able to do things regular SM can't like I don't know when charging with jetpacks knock people on their asses.

Sniper Scouts in the normal Space Marine Codex of 10 is

140

Blood Angel players you may now flip out

We pay 60 more points and they take an elite choice
i rest my fething case lol

Metal models are just an excuse to broaden your Tooling Colleciton. With the proper tools, it's no worse than working on plastic; just a tad more time intensive and differen limitations. For me, at least.

I got no problems working with metal mate, and it by far wouldnt be a 1st time thing
but mephiston would be impossible to get into a charging pose with the current mini, i may have to break out the GS lol
I think him charging forward, plasma pointed infront of him and sword drawn back would look good, maybe have the cape flowing behind him aswell for a bit more realism and looks.


Griz, GW fethed themselve sover mate
The newest chappy models look great (fist and assault ones) so why would we want some pinhead thing like lem?
counts as kicks ass and means ill never resort to buying him (never actually use him either lol)
Before i get asked why, i dont use him since he cant take a power fist
DC have no real armour killing abilities other than rending, so its a nice boost.



2 quick things i would like to see though:

The chappy leading the DC gains FNP like them (makes sense for a full unit right?)

and mephiston gaining the ability to control them like a chappy does.
Being the lord of death and the oldest (slightly?) BA ever (still alive) i think he would have fought by thier side enough to know how to lead them better than a chappy.

JD21290 It's GW they know no logic

Even if scouts stayed them same points but changed to troop that would be fine

145 points as standard for 10 scouts
Weapon options arent too bad though: bolter + bolt pistol as standard, can swap the bolter with any of the following: shotgun, chainsword or combat blade for free (chain and blade work the same lol, an attempt at variety? lol)

OR, they may take snipers for 5 points per model -_-

Ok, they can take a pod, but with a scouting move i see no need lol

JD21290 wrote:
Lem needs a change badly, since he looks like gak, but all other characters look fine still, maybe a tad static in the poses, but still good.

Dante, to be honest, could use a new sculpt. He's a bit, uh, small and underwhelming for a 1300 year-old Chapter Master. Definitely showing his age as it were... Mephy is still a great sculpt and Corbs holds his own. Lemartes, as noted, is utter pants. I'm agnostic towards Tycho. The figure's fine, if a bit static, but no one else fields him anyway, so it doesn't really matter, now does it?

Vale,

JohnS

Hey! Dante is only 1,100 years old
But yea, the newer marines are somewhat bigger than they used to be lol.
Sculpting a new dante shouldnt bee too bad looking at the gladiator style armour.

Meph looks great, but static.

Corb still looks great

Lem, well, they need to burn the moulds for it and start again.

Tyco isnt bad, but if anything its his rules that let him down big time :(

Vulkan wrote:Sniper Scouts in the normal Space Marine Codex of 10 is 140

SM Scouts have worse stats, so it's not a direct comparison.

Now that i wasnt aware of DD, what sort of stats drop do they have?