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JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Or maybe its GWs way of telling people to buy blood bowl for computer!

YES!

You mean something they actually make money off of?

Yeah, those greedy bastards!

Wouldn't the Blood Bowl game be a sum up front (for the rights to the IP) and maybe a couple bucks off every box sold?

Whereas for the Blood Bowl boxed game, the molds are probably long since paid for so essentially anything above cost of production is profit.

Of course, computer games outsell board games, and there's always the hope that BB would become a 'perennial' that can release a new version every year or two with tweaks to rules, teams, etc.

BB minis require labor and metal, and are expensive to ship. High operating cost for low profit margin before overhead. With the small volumes that BB sells, GW probably barely breaks even on BB, even if the molds are paid for. Which is why SG doesn't get any promotion any more.

BB computer / video games sell well, and possibly drive some marginal sales from gamers. Which is why GW is 100% right to lock down their IP. And done well, BB can have ongoing computer updates to drive more cash, just like Madden.

JHDD: Ya and in doing the lock down, screw a fan that worked on the rules for 5 years (FOR FREE). good job. *pats GW on the Back*

BB computer / video games sell well

That I'm not so sure about.

@Hawkins: they made that choice, and knew the risks (given GW's past behavior).

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Hawkins: they made that choice, and knew the risks (given GW's past behavior).

Only you could defend GW in this situation. I don't even thing MDG could defend them here.

HBMC: So right,
For THIS, GW cant be defended, anyone defending this type of act simply looses credibility IMO.

Hawkins wrote:For THIS, GW cant be defended, anyone defending this type of act simply looses credibility IMO.

Yes. Especially you. In fact, specifically you.

Do you feel better now?

Not really, I'll wait till Jervis gives a public apoligy to Tom and the Fans, then maybe. (like that will ever happen)

@Hawkins: WTF were you thinking? GW would credit some random fanboy outside the ivory tower as the author of one of their products? This is GW IP we're talking about.

I would 'exspect' to take my buisness elsewhere, as GW isnt worthless now after this. GW's IP can rot for all i care. The right thing, heck the only thing that should have been done was to release the LBR without all the bull. instead. oh look GW does it again and makes a crapper out of it, peeving off more fans.
And yes if Tom signed a contract to work on it (free or not), i would exspect some kind of acknowlagement for his efforts in the credits (as GW agreed to have his help in the first place), the fact that there wasnt any credits at all speeks loud and clear of just what kind of company GW is. . .

its actions are deplorable. its a BAD COMPANY, with BAD buisness sense in regards to its customers, and deserves a rollerd newspaper up the side of the head for piddling on the fans.
and the asking for an apology was a joke, there is no way GW would ever come down from its tower to suplicate itself before the masses. .their heads would hemorage from the pressure first. (sorry if you saw the apology as anything but as joke).

in closing: yes i exspected GW to to the right and proper thing. Credit the fan boy for loyal (even now) service for the past 5 years. give the man a 'job well done' rather than a 'kick to the curb'.

Clearer for you?

If GW still ran Citadel Journal or other fan-friendly things, I could see it. But the new GW does none of that.

Good luck on the boycott.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Hawkins: WTF were you thinking? GW would credit some random fanboy outside the ivory tower as the author of one of their products?

Did they not do this with regards to the FAQs at least in the past ?

They also hold a thank you day in early December at Warhammer World where they invite people and groups up for the day, give them a nice lunch, a few talks and previews, a "thank you" certificate and so on.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Good luck on the boycott.

Boycott? more like agressive campain to reduce the sales in my lil city by a good ammount. locally ive managed to persuade quite afew people to hold off shoppin till Feb. after hearing the bad about GW (admiitedly bias bad) a few have quit all together. of course it helps when you have friends that are of the same mind and that alternitive systems exist and that you remind people of that(/FoW for example). so YES the Boycott is alive and well, growing and expanding. and with each new Flub by GW, each new sucsess by other companies like PP and Infinity. with each set of minis superrior to GW's. GW losses a lil. will it help in the long run? i can hope it will, cause if it does, Crap like were discussing here wont happen as often. People like tom wouldnt be shafted to the curb.

But thanks for the well wishes and merry x-mas.

P.S. you stil have the best Avatar

reds8n wrote:Did they not do this with regards to the FAQs at least in the past?

Yeah, but it's easier to ignore facts and history when you just want to be right about something.

reds8n wrote: They also hold a thank you day in early December at Warhammer World where they invite people and groups up for the day, give them a nice lunch, a few talks and previews, a "thank you" certificate and so on.

They did that this year to a lot of people.

But the certificates didn't say 'thank you'...

reds8n wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Hawkins: WTF were you thinking? GW would credit some random fanboy outside the ivory tower as the author of one of their products?

Did they not do this with regards to the FAQs at least in the past ?

They also hold a thank you day in early December at Warhammer World where they invite people and groups up for the day, give them a nice lunch, a few talks and previews, a "thank you" certificate and so on.

That doesn't sound right. Are you sure we're talking about the same Games Workshop PLC?

It was a double sided thank you card

On one side says "Thank you" and then you flip it over it says "..For validating the success of our price increase"

Ahh... That's more like the GW I know and love.

Hawkins wrote:Boycott? more like agressive campain to reduce the sales in my lil city by a good ammount.

You want aggressive? Here's an idea. Firebombing. Would stop GW sales cold, and turn their ill-gotten gains to kindling. Sure, you'd go to jail for arson and attempted murder, but GW would suffer.

Or you could just shrug, accept that us little people can't change corporations, and live on.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Hawkins wrote:Boycott? more like agressive campain to reduce the sales in my lil city by a good ammount.

You want aggressive? Here's an idea. Firebombing.

I like this guy's passion!

Trouble is, GW is greasey enough to be insured so that if you ever did firebomb em, they would make money from it.

"Unfortunately the bomb destroyed all of the greens and the codex for the pending Dark Eldar release, so we have no choice but to start over again from scratch."

...you know now that I think about it, maybe violence isn't the answer after all.

There's your first problem. There isn't an "answer". Nothing we feeble consumers can do has any effect on Games Workshop. Nothing. The sooner everyone accepts this, the sooner they can stop their follies and give up.

Apathy is the only defensible reaction.

Hawkins wrote:Trouble is, GW is greasey enough to be insured so that if you ever did firebomb em, they would make money from it.

As to the dreadful cost in human life of dead redshirts, consider this from Tom 'El Presidenté' Kirby's 'little red book'...

"It is better that a million souls die rabidly defending the price of Greatswords than one kneels in servitude to Privateer Press!!"

i choose not to accept that.

you take your path. i'll take mine.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Hawkins, if you believe in taking action to demonstrate your unwillingness to be abused by a corporation, mate, I salute you.

2009 will be a watershed year. The first year that GW put a 'computer game's' profits before 'miniatures' profits. As GW stopped becoming a 'game importer' company and became a miniatures company we have now entered a 'third age'. the first step of a very long voyage has been taken.

Watch this space.

Hawkins stop complaining about GW. Ok so you dont buy their products anymore, good for you, you dont play with their stuff anymore good for you. Now if you could stop wasting bandwidth trying to convince the rest of us GW is bad.

GW is like a drug dealer and we are its dirty little whores. Gw supplies the Crack and we supply GW with our money, so it was from the begging and so it shall be forever more, The emperor wills it.

Just because you have made it through rehab does not meen we also want to go there. I like my crack thankyou very much.

As for the fan boy he knew the risks. It was unpaid work so he did not really lose anything did he?

As for the BB game, it looks craptastic on the PS3. I am not sure many non BB players would actually buy it