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Warboss Narznok wrote:I think the Dark Eldar need a Evil FLying Walker like the Eldar Wraithlord. Wouldn't that be cool??

Flying Wraithlords? Sure, I guess that'd be cool, tho Fleet Wraithlords would make more sense.

Warboss Narznok wrote:I think the Dark Eldar need a Evil FLying Walker like the Eldar Wraithlord. Wouldn't that be cool??

They've got one - it's called a Talos.

Tailgunner wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:I think the Dark Eldar need a Evil FLying Walker like the Eldar Wraithlord. Wouldn't that be cool??

They've got one - it's called a Talos.

Tailgunner wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:I think the Dark Eldar need a Evil FLying Walker like the Eldar Wraithlord. Wouldn't that be cool??

They've got one - it's called a Talos.

The Talos is more like the Wraithlord's slowed cousin.
Hopefully they make it more like the Wraithlord as far as potency, upgrades and options.

Well, 5th did increase the Talos' potentcy about 200% just by making it a MC.

Archonate wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:I think the Dark Eldar need a Evil FLying Walker like the Eldar Wraithlord. Wouldn't that be cool??

They've got one - it's called a Talos.

The Talos is more like the Wraithlord's slowed cousin.
Hopefully they make it more like the Wraithlord as far as potency, upgrades and options.

Be careful what you wish for!

The Talos could easily gain Stupidity and require babysitting by a Haemonculus or two...

For actual note, a talos is powered by the death spasams of their dying victims. Most likely if they do upgrade the talos it will be one of the "Kill something and it gets stronger" units rumored to be in the DE 5th ed.

Superscope wrote:For actual note, a talos is powered by the death spasams of their dying victims. Most likely if they do upgrade the talos it will be one of the "Kill something and it gets stronger" units rumored to be in the DE 5th ed.

I don't much like the sound of such a special rule. DE have a couple wargear that grant bonuses after the wielder kills stuff (Animus Vitae, Trophy Racks) and half the time, people forget about the bonuses. They glance at the reference card for any stats they're not sure about and they forget about the changes they were supposed to have made.

Now that could be because these bonuses only applied to a single character. It may end up being more manageable if such things are granted on a large scale, to whole squads for example. But even then, the escalation mechanic is a concept better suited for RTS games. I'd rather my squads come with special rules rather than having to earn them during the course of the game.

The new DE book will have deep striking talos's that have harpoon missiles launchers. And also will have warp beast cavalry.

GG

p.s. the above post was meant to be a joke, please don't quote that as a real rumor.

I see what you did there, GG



Although if Phil Kelly wasn't writing the codex that would probably be the kind of thing that would happen

(...you'd better be writing a good one, Kelly *shakes fist*)

They could do something neat where the army keeps a tally of wounds inflicted/models killed/whatever and eligible units get bonuses of that... But that sounds like the kind of thing that would scare the studio these days.

Balance wrote:They could do something neat where the army keeps a tally of wounds inflicted/models killed/whatever and eligible units get bonuses of that...

But that sounds like the kind of thing that would scare the studio these days.

You mean, like Faith points?

It's also the sort of thing that simply wouldn't work under the current pace for mass battles.

GW should keep it simple. If a unit wipes out another unit in HtH, it gains Furious Charge (or whatever) until the end of the player's next turn. No long term counting, numbers, or tracking required. Just put down a token, and at then end of the player's turn, pick up all of the tokens.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Balance wrote:They could do something neat where the army keeps a tally of wounds inflicted/models killed/whatever and eligible units get bonuses of that...

But that sounds like the kind of thing that would scare the studio these days.

You mean, like Faith points?

It's also the sort of thing that simply wouldn't work under the current pace for mass battles.

GW should keep it simple. If a unit wipes out another unit in HtH, it gains Furious Charge (or whatever) until the end of the player's next turn. No long term counting, numbers, or tracking required. Just put down a token, and at then end of the player's turn, pick up all of the tokens.

Agreed. Last thing that I would want to deal with is someone/myself having to keep track of tallies while playing or making sure I am not being cheated.

A instant, its done when you start your next turn, effect would be more ideal for units who eliminate other units in HtH.

My Nurgle Daemons do it just fine.

Plenty of complicated wound-allocation units such as nobs keep track of things just fine. Would it really be that hard to put a die or counters next to the talos model?

Skarboy wrote:Plenty of complicated wound-allocation units such as nobs keep track of things just fine.

Would it really be that hard to put a die or counters next to the talos model?

Come the next Ork Codex / 6E, I bet Nobs are going to lose out big time, as in, you remove whole models, rather than being able to spread the wounds around.

Not if Talos were 0-1.

But if Talos goes Apoc-worthy, then that becomes a pile of counters for bookkeeping.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Come the next Ork Codex / 6E, I bet Nobs are going to lose out big time, as in, you remove whole models, rather than being able to spread the wounds around.

Are there any other units in the game that can abuse wound allocation to the extent of Nobs? The local FLGS employee in charge of the GW stuff has said he'd like to house rule so the Nobs only count as different for allocation based on their weapons, not all the other crap they can carry.

Aduro wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Come the next Ork Codex / 6E, I bet Nobs are going to lose out big time, as in, you remove whole models, rather than being able to spread the wounds around.

Are there any other units in the game that can abuse wound allocation to the extent of Nobs? The local FLGS employee in charge of the GW stuff has said he'd like to house rule so the Nobs only count as different for allocation based on their weapons, not all the other crap they can carry.

Tau crisis suits can have any number of weapons/wargear in the same squad; however, they're limited by squad size (3).

TWC is pretty bad about it too. Bloodcrushers can do it to an extent as well. Basically 3 of the nastiest units in 40k

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Skarboy wrote:Plenty of complicated wound-allocation units such as nobs keep track of things just fine.

Would it really be that hard to put a die or counters next to the talos model?

Come the next Ork Codex / 6E, I bet Nobs are going to lose out big time, as in, you remove whole models, rather than being able to spread the wounds around.

While I wouldn't use the term "lose out big time", since I don't think it will make that big of a difference, I do agree that they most likely will change the wound allocation rules for 6E. And that this will definately hurt the nob units a bit.

GG

generalgrog wrote:...And also will have warp beast cavalry...

I think that would be a cool way to both give DE another fast attack choice that contrasts with Eldar and incorporate elements from the Eldar's Rogue Trader past. I realize they wouldn't be the same as Exodites, but it would be a neat way to incorporate that concepts and aesthetic into the current edition, like how the Thunderfire was a bit of a revisit to the Rapier Laser.

It would make for an interesting sort of fluff to have the Exodites being gathered by the Harlequin resettling worlds near Commorragh since the Craftworld won't have them.. or something.

generalgrog wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Skarboy wrote:Plenty of complicated wound-allocation units such as nobs keep track of things just fine.

Would it really be that hard to put a die or counters next to the talos model?

Come the next Ork Codex / 6E, I bet Nobs are going to lose out big time, as in, you remove whole models, rather than being able to spread the wounds around.

While I wouldn't use the term "lose out big time", since I don't think it will make that big of a difference, I do agree that they most likely will change the wound allocation rules for 6E. And that this will definately hurt the nob units a bit.

GG

I think it's more accurate to state that if you are finding "inventive" ways to manipulate your wargear to "maximize" a flawed wound allocation system, it's more akin to abuse than losing out big.

Only the jag-offs arming one Nob with a grenade to extend the lifespan of their unit would complain about "losing out big."

It's a rules exploit and it's clearly not the way the rules were intended to be used.

Except that they (nobz) are used in the example that clearly explains that wound allocation does indeed work - just how you don't want it to...

Rumorflash for you guys...

Reaver Jetbikes as Troops.
An Incubi style unit as elites.
Wyches as troops.
Warp beasts as fast attack.
Combat Drugs giving a choosable option of different USR: feel no pain and furious charge are the only ones I could think of that would be useful.
Shadowfield drops to 3++ but sticks if the roll fails.

Some of these I believe. Some I don't.

Curious to know which you don't believe - they all sound plausible to me?

Combat drugs and reavers changes.

Which kits will be in plastic ?

A rumour predicts these plastics:
Warriors
Wyches (troops)
Raider/Ravager
Redesigned larger Talos with multiple weapon options

Reaver jetbikes are also an obvious candidate, maybe later.

radiohazard wrote:Rumorflash for you guys....

This thread is on DE miniatures only, see this thread for rules rumours:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/210/291960.page
You might want to repost this there.

In my oppinion I think there is a good chance that atleast one plastic kit at release will be a new unit.

Will post later.

All the kits will be plastic except warp beasts, grotesques and characters from what i've heard and seen.