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You are going to get squatted mwahahhahaha.

Seriously if this is true it is brilliant news it means more people collecting things other than Space Marines so I can keep on collecting them and be seen as 'out there'!

radiohazard wrote:All the kits will be plastic except warp beasts, grotesques and characters from what i've heard and seen.

Maybe this has to do with the fact that Jes is head sculptor for DE AND head of the plastics department

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Skarboy wrote:Plenty of complicated wound-allocation units such as nobs keep track of things just fine.

Would it really be that hard to put a die or counters next to the talos model?

Come the next Ork Codex / 6E, I bet Nobs are going to lose out big time, as in, you remove whole models, rather than being able to spread the wounds around.

Not if Talos were 0-1.

But if Talos goes Apoc-worthy, then that becomes a pile of counters for bookkeeping.

Well, I agree that in 6th Ed, they'll probably reconfigure how wounds are taken and models removed, since it appears to be a big loophole this go 'round. So, nobs and all other units that use wound allocation giggles will be affected, but, like posted further down, people will find new tricks. But really, I think having some counters or using a die won't be that complicated and I really don't care about the effects on Apocalypse since that's such a tiny percentage of the game. People I play (and I suspect this is universal) always use extra dice or counters to reflect gameplay elements all the time: vehicle table results, wounds, combat resolution, faith points, etc. It's not that hard. You can even buy dedicated dice or counters just for certain effects, so I don't worry about it at all. I'm all for diverse ways to play the game and less generic rules. I'm already getting sick of the widespread "Furious Charge" and "Feel No Pain" units out there, for example. New and different are not bad things!


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Kroothawk wrote:

radiohazard wrote:All the kits will be plastic except warp beasts, grotesques and characters from what i've heard and seen.

Maybe this has to do with the fact that Jes is head sculptor for DE AND head of the plastics department

Probably the case. Won't break my heart to have another 99% plastic army to go with my orks. As for grotesques, I already plan on doing some daemonette conversions in all likelihood unless they are flat-out gorgeous. Well, as gorgeous as anything called a "grotesque" can be, that is.

Skarboy wrote:Well, I agree that in 6th Ed, they'll probably reconfigure how wounds are taken and models removed, since it appears to be a big loophole this go 'round. So, nobs and all other units that use wound allocation giggles will be affected, but, like posted further down, people will find new tricks.

But really, I think having some counters or using a die won't be that complicated and I really don't care about the effects on Apocalypse since that's such a tiny percentage of the game.

People I play (and I suspect this is universal) always use extra dice or counters to reflect gameplay elements all the time: vehicle table results, wounds, combat resolution, faith points, etc. It's not that hard. You can even buy dedicated dice or counters just for certain effects, so I don't worry about it at all. I'm all for diverse ways to play the game and less generic rules. I'm already getting sick of the widespread "Furious Charge" and "Feel No Pain" units out there, for example. New and different are not bad things!

Yup, but at least one set of nonsense will go away.

For a while, Apoc was all that I played. And I'll bet if you were to tally up all gaming time since Apoc has been available, it's probably far larger than the tournament games. At least, that's what GW's seeing, given that they basically walked away from Tournament support (Chapter Approved / FAQs) while published a 2nd Apoc, along with making huge, awesome Apoc-only models. Just because you don't play much Apoc, doesn't mean it's not huge.

Most of those counters last one turn: vehicle results, combat resolution. GW has gotten away from special dice (Epic/BFG Orders, 2E Sustained Fire). As I noted, a one-turn / next turn effect would be plenty enough to keep the Talos moving along.

Ed_Bodger wrote:

Seriously if this is true it is brilliant news it means more people collecting things other than Space Marines so I can keep on collecting them and be seen as 'out there'!

You can't be serious, oh you are

JohnHwangDD wrote:
For a while, Apoc was all that I played. And I'll bet if you were to tally up all gaming time since Apoc has been available, it's probably far larger than the tournament games. At least, that's what GW's seeing, given that they basically walked away from Tournament support (Chapter Approved / FAQs) while published a 2nd Apoc, along with making huge, awesome Apoc-only models. Just because you don't play much Apoc, doesn't mean it's not huge.

Are you sure about all that, or are you seeing what you want to see?

Ed_Bodger wrote:You are going to get squatted mwahahhahaha.

Seriously if this is true it is brilliant news it means more people collecting things other than Space Marines so I can keep on collecting them and be seen as 'out there'!

Easy there tiger, take a breath or you'll hyperventilate.

Why is it every time I see this thread pop up again I get excited, hoping that somone has something legit and good on the DE...:(

Empchild wrote:hoping that somone has something legit and good on the DE...:(

Since when was that a possibility

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
For a while, Apoc was all that I played. And I'll bet if you were to tally up all gaming time since Apoc has been available, it's probably far larger than the tournament games. At least, that's what GW's seeing, given that they basically walked away from Tournament support (Chapter Approved / FAQs) while published a 2nd Apoc, along with making huge, awesome Apoc-only models. Just because you don't play much Apoc, doesn't mean it's not huge.

Are you sure about all that, or are you seeing what you want to see?

Given that there's empirical evidence in terms of product offerings, I don't think that my conclusion is totally unreasonable.

I mean, it's not like GW hasn't clearly and obviously decided to run themselves as a proper, profit-seeking business...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
For a while, Apoc was all that I played. And I'll bet if you were to tally up all gaming time since Apoc has been available, it's probably far larger than the tournament games. At least, that's what GW's seeing, given that they basically walked away from Tournament support (Chapter Approved / FAQs) while published a 2nd Apoc, along with making huge, awesome Apoc-only models. Just because you don't play much Apoc, doesn't mean it's not huge.

Are you sure about all that, or are you seeing what you want to see?

Given that there's empirical evidence in terms of product offerings, I don't think that my conclusion is totally unreasonable.

I mean, it's not like GW hasn't clearly and obviously decided to run themselves as a proper, profit-seeking business...

My tournament gaming is very limited but at the St. valentines Massacre I heard that GW's prize and terrain support has been better than it ever was. They've walked away from running them, delegated that to fans and stores but they are still quite supportive.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:My tournament gaming is very limited but at the St. valentines Massacre I heard that GW's prize and terrain support has been better than it ever was. They've walked away from running them, delegated that to fans and stores but they are still quite supportive.

That's a really good idea. To the contestants, a tournament is a tournament regardless of who's running it. Just knowing GW is supporting it is enough.

Since before I began I always had an interest in Dark Eldar and a few weeks ago I got a box of Wyches. I really like the models and their fun to paint, but I'm really excited to see what the new ones will look like when they come out. This new concept design for the Warrior seems like it'll be great, but I admit that I liked the look of the old ones as well, mainly the helmets with the curved spikes along the back. Anyway, I hope this topic is one of those truths that goes against the rumors of DE getting squatted because their among my two favorite armies (and probably the two rarest in the game), SoB and DE.

If anyone is spreading rumors about DE getting squatted, they are either maliciously lying (for whatever reason), or just dumb.

DE are not getting squatted.

That's just mumblings from pissed off players who's armies aren't next in line.

Fateweaver wrote:DE are not getting squatted.

That's just mumblings from pissed off players who's armies aren't next in line.

a serious case of "old codex" Syndrome. I think Necrons and Inquisition armies have this aswell just not as badly

It's the same bunch that always shout "squatted" or "denial" whenever this happens, stating that a lack of evidence is all the proof they need to draw their conclusions and pass those off as official news.

There is a wagering thread , if anyone want to make some wagers :3

LunaHound wrote:There is a wagering thread , if anyone want to make some wagers :3

What, no link? Monster

bhsman wrote:

LunaHound wrote:There is a wagering thread , if anyone want to make some wagers :3

What, no link? Monster

Just for fun i think, but never know!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/293377.page

LunaHound wrote:Just for fun i think, but never know!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/293377.page

Thanks for the link. Care to make a wager against my GK prediction?

Good to know, I've had my doubts about those who bring up squating and figured that they were just pissed off gamers, as has already been noted. Now I just can't wait for whatever new Inquisition Codexes are expected and the Dark Eldar one.

I doubt the DE are gonna get squatted, but at the same time I not going to believe that they are going to get an update until I see an "Incomming Dark Eldar" email from GW.

I was at my FLGS and they seem to believe that new DE are indeed coming out. They even pulled all their DE product of the shelves as a courtesy to their costumers.

I am totally exited that DE is getting an update. Frankly, any update is welcome.

As for the concept, I both like it and don't like it.

I have 2nd Ed Dark Eldar. I like their spiky-ness, but I don't like how...insubstantial they look. They were kind of bland I guess. This new concept lacks the spikiness, but it looks sleek and cool, yet sinister.

I'm gonna be happy, no matter what

Austragalis wrote:I have 2nd Ed Dark Eldar.

Um, DE didn't exist in 2E. They were released as part of the 3E starter.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Austragalis wrote:I have 2nd Ed Dark Eldar.

Um, DE didn't exist in 2E. They were released as part of the 3E starter.

The current DE book says "Second Edition" on it and has for several years.

Sigh. Never mind.

Yeah, he's talking about the last, 'Update' DE got way back when...

The book got a revised print, the miniatures stayed the same ... and were released starting with the 3rd edition starter box.
So no 2nd edition Dark Eldar.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sigh. Never mind.

Maybe he's agreeing with you that 2nd ed DE are newer and different from original DE.