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Of course SoB look like they have a 3+

Power armour - 3+ - full suit of rigid armour panels
Carapace - 4+ - soft suit with partial rigid panels
flak armour - 5+ - minimal armour (torso, shoulder pads, helmet)

This has been maintained consistently through the range.

Now, if you want a real debate, how the hell do catachans get any save at all, let alone a 5+?

CT GAMER wrote:Every thread I have ever seen on Dakka Dakka about females and their armor has quickly devolved into "I HEART BOOBS111"

That doesn't say much about the quality of posters here... regardless, this thread doesn't seem to go along very well with that, as most of the posters in it have been mature.

Sisters wear power armour. It's not the super strength-enhancing suit that marines wear, thus they s3 t3. But protection-wise, it's just as good.

well the way I thought about it is that the armour save just dosnt account for what kind of armour they are wearing but other factors. the sisters of battle armour looks lighter but that would also mean they are more agile, and are faster then space marines, might not be able to run as far but still an example of this would be the assassins inv save because they are fast they get one

Melissia wrote:
"Strength 3" is a very wide variance of strength levels. Untrained conscripts are strength three-- basically what amounts to an average civilian. So are Orks, and Eldar, and Tyranid Gaunts, and Tau, and...

Yeah, but in real world terms, I doubt you could find a power-lifter that could carry 200+ pounds of equipment all day AND fight...and they'd still be strength 3 in 40K.

Again, I don't have a problem with SoB having a 3+; Ijust don't think people should try and justify it with fluff/reason. It's a game.

If we went by fluff, Tau would be Strength 2 because they are stated to be smaller and weaker than average humans (even though the figs are comparable).

Well yeah, they're power lifters, not endurance lifters. There's a huge difference between strength and endurance.

Melissia wrote:Well yeah, they're power lifters, not endurance lifters. There's a huge difference between strength and endurance.

Now, now there's no reason to be obtuse; you know what I was getting at.

Wait, me not be obtuse and tangential? Perish the thought!

Marine armour is bulky because it has all sorts of extra bits and systems stuck into it.


Sister armour is the protective plates and maybe small servo moters for added mobility. that backpack has oxygen supplies and the helmet is connected to that.


a suit of armour can be astoundingly heavy and the wearer will still be able to move quickely. this is because the weight is spreadout over the entire body, add in Servo moters and the armours weight becomes a non-issue.

Melissia wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Every thread I have ever seen on Dakka Dakka about females and their armor has quickly devolved into "I HEART BOOBS111"

regardless, this thread doesn't seem to go along very well with that, as most of the posters in it have been mature.

Give them time, blood in the water and all...

CT GAMER wrote:

Melissia wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Every thread I have ever seen on Dakka Dakka about females and their armor has quickly devolved into "I HEART BOOBS111"

regardless, this thread doesn't seem to go along very well with that, as most of the posters in it have been mature.

Give them time, blood in the water and all...

Well lets face it, who DOESN'T heart boobies?

Gay males?

Melissia wrote:Gay males?

Point taken, but still.

Melissia wrote:Gay males?

Or non-gay females.

Did I really read a few posts where people said battle sisters were sculpted to be sexy? Really? Those pissboy haircuts and marbles stuck on the chest for breasts are what you guys are calling sexy?

Eldar Banshees - yes
Old style damonettes - very much so
Vect's slave girls - yummy

Battlesisters - hell no. The only reason they look like that is so that you would know they are female. The sisters repentia have more sex appeal in a leather/bondage fetish sort of way than your basic battle sister.

Anyway, I feel that they do have the 3+ save going for them because there is no obvious fabric (aside from loincloths and capes). It all clearly looks like form fitted prefabricated material. As such its full suit armor, thus able to have a 3+ save. The petite size of it doesn't matter. That representation is handled by the S3 and T3.

agnosto wrote:

Melissia wrote:Gay males?

Or non-gay females.

Most of my friends are females, and they always comment about how other girls boobs look. They might not heart them, but definitely envy them

lol wow This post just changed subjects alot.

The main factor in the save is what its made out of. SoB power armour is still Ceramite and Adamantium. The best stuff the Imperium has to offer.

xxmatt85 wrote:There suits don't seem to cover that much, but I put 4+ just because it looks hard enough.

It just looks imcompte to be 3+.

Doesn't cover much? The armor covers the entire body, from foot to chin (and the head, if the sister is wearing a helmet). What part looks incomplete? It's also incredibly bulky. The sister model is about the same size as most non-character marine models, and bulkier than most other troop models. Aside from marines, the standard sister model looks like the most heavily armored basic troop in the game. Yes, the marine models do look like they are armored a little better, but I can easily accept that both Sisters and Marine armor fall in the same general range.

That anyone could say that Sisters armor looks incomplete or that it doesn't cover much is just... trolling, I guess. Looks like I fell for it.

but I do agree, this armour they currently have is more of a Carapace with full hazardous protection. its need to look a tad bit more like armour

A tad more like armor? Really? Again, big, bulky armor that covers the model from feet to head? Look at the model!

overtly sexy sculpts feel oddly out of place.

I guess this is a matter of opinion, but I really don't feel like the models are overly sexy. They are designed to be much more gothic and ornate looking than other imperial forces (they are the forces of the space church, an organization known for that kind of thing), and the fact of their gender is played up in their design. But I don't feel like this makes the models overly sexy. I would call them very moderately sexy (and that may be splitting hairs), but I imagine most people wouldn't see the models as very sexy at all. There is a lot of sexy SoB illustrations, although most of it doesn't come from 40k, but related products. The Sisters have (in my opinion) never been portrayed as sexy in their own codex.

If it says 3+, it's 3+, there is no such thing as "looking 3+"

Truth. I think a lot of the arguments on this thread are coming from the assumption that Space Marine power armor = 3+ save is the standard for 3+ saves. This just isn't true. Probably power armor, along with the Carnifex carapace and Tau Crisis Suits (they have 3+, right?) are at the high end of the 3+ range, with other power armor, Aspect Warrior armor, Incubus armor and other stuff coming in at the low range. the important thing to remember is that it is a range.

Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:Actually, I think the Crux Terminus is part of Terminator armor and as far as I can tell the honor guard are not wearing terminator armor. The only reason the get the 2+ save is because their armor is artificer armor there is no 5+ invulnerable.

^this. The Crux is just a symbol. It doesn't give any bonus. The fluff indicates it's "just" a fragment of the Emperor's armor. They get an invuln save because they are wearing Tactical DREADNOUGHT Armor. It was either that or give them vehicle stats.

No.

the Fragment actually projects a force field.

Uh, pretty sure it doesn't.

DukeRustfield wrote:
^this. The Crux is just a symbol. It doesn't give any bonus. The fluff indicates it's "just" a fragment of the Emperor's armor. They get an invuln save because they are wearing Tactical DREADNOUGHT Armor. It was either that or give them vehicle stats.

Dude read the Codex. I don't know how many times I have to say it. They guy who you quoted already admitted he was wrong. Just read page 102 of the space marine Codex.

So melissia, I ask you this. Are blood angels and space wolves space marines?

Ok, seriously nightsbane, don't. Don't start with that.

Luke_Prowler wrote:You've got to remember that Space marine armor is bulky because space marines themselves are bulky. Power armor used by normal humans is much smaller compared to the walking refrigerators

Gasp! Logic! Burn the Witch!


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jake wrote:
Truth. I think a lot of the arguments on this thread are coming from the assumption that Space Marine power armor = 3+ save is the standard for 3+ saves. This just isn't true. Probably power armor, along with the Carnifex carapace and Tau Crisis Suits (they have 3+, right?) are at the high end of the 3+ range, with other power armor, Aspect Warrior armor, Incubus armor and other stuff coming in at the low range. the important thing to remember is that it is a range.

Gasp! More logic still! Heresy is rampant in this thread. *submits papers for Exterminatus*

What is this nonsense about an armor save representing "a range" of armors? That's like implying that game stats are some sort of abstraction of the fluff, rather than a hard and concrete representation of it. But I know no one is crazy to actually suggest that. I mean, come on, the fluff clearly states the average Guardsman is 75% as strong as a Space Marine, and 50% as strong as a dreadnought, and thus the game stats reflect this.

Lol, we can't have logic on dakka-dakka.

What is this logic thing of which you speak? Is it contagious? Get it away from me!

On the topic of sisters only being s3 and wearing heavy armor with a heavy weapon... what the hell do you think the "powered" part of the armor is helping them to do? They still don't have the raw strength of a marine, but it allows them to wield weapons with one sister that would normally require a heavy weapons team for the IG.

Ok, so SoB have 3+ Sv. And that's a fact, no point in discussing that.

Now does their armour look like it grants 3+ Sv?
Honestly, not really.

marine armour grants 3+ saves because of the thick plating and the shape of the armour which is designed to deflect projectiles not just to stop them.

If you look at SoB armour, we see that the plating isn't clearly as thick, but this could be easily explained by the use of lighter alloys and the such.
But, when looking at the shape of the armour, well my friends that's when hits the fan, the armour design isn't really useful for deflecting projectiles (sure some pieces do have the required shape, I'll give you that) but overall the design fails to do so and this is why it looks more like gear giving 4+ Sv rather than 3+ Sv.

The GW's logic is good, Marines are the best the Empire has to offer, so give them +3 Sv, guard is the "meatshield" and easily replaceable so we need to gear them with materials that we can mass produce 5+ Sv. if you're willing to pay the price you can get 4+ Sv.
But then they had sisters, which are better than Guard but are not as battle hardened as space marines, if they are better than guard, they must have better armour, and the best guard has is 4+ so lets give them a 3+ Sv, but hey, marines are the Elite, and sisters aren't as good as Marines, cut them on S and T and we're done.
This just shows a lack of effort by GW on the models.

P.S - In no way am I criticising the fact that SoB have 3+ Sv, just saying that sisters models should be redone to better represent their stats.