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You've just made the Emperor immortal. No thanks, buddy.

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When discussing proposed rules it is quite likely that you will encounter people whose views don't mesh well or possibly even at all with your own ideas. Some degree of discussion which may ( or may not) lead to changes or compromises is, of course, an ideal outcome and very much the purpose of this board. If however you find yourself at loggerheads, completely unable to agree with the direction that, for example, a proposed set of stats for a fictional character is heading in.... then walk away. It's not going to cost you anything, you've haven't lost anything and it's not like you're going to be forced to play with those rules in your own home.

... yet anyway, but that's one or two forum upgrades away yet, so we can't really talk about that....

i think that because this guy has being in life support for the past however long you want to call it, he would be in no state to fight toe to toe.


which is exactly why he should be in a titan sized dreadnought that works like a transformer and can instantly turn into giant space ship with 2 billion massive gun things that fire 2000000000000 shots a turn at strength 20 that targets every unit on the battle field at once also it can unleash enough shots to end mankind in a huge ball of killy death shaped win! also it has a huge loud speaker to shout at the enemy you have lost the game. also it has a chuck noris gun that fires chuck norises

I assumed this is crusade emperor though reading through the thread i am not so sure.

BTW i kinda forgot the important part of my rule for the emperor here's an edit:

New rule. 'Surrounded by tragedy'
Mortal action will not kill the emperor but those around him perish in their droves or are consumed by infighting. Each time the emperor takes his last unsaved wound do not remove him from play, Instead take a leadership check (with no form of modification or re roll allowed) if passed immediately stand the emperor back up with a single wound remaining then roll a dice, on a 2+ you must immediately remove an allied, non superheavy, unit from the board. On the roll of a 1 the, non superheavy, unit to be removed is chosen by the opponent.

Perkustin wrote:I assumed this is crusade emperor though reading through the thread i am not so sure.

Most people assume that it's the "Up-an-walking-around" Emperor. You were right.

The stats for the current Big E would be

0-0-1-1-1-1-0-10

On a roll of a 1, the Emperor poops his pants.

Monster Rain wrote:

Perkustin wrote:I assumed this is crusade emperor though reading through the thread i am not so sure.

Most people assume that it's the "Up-an-walking-around" Emperor. You were right.

The stats for the current Big E would be

0-0-1-1-1-1-0-10

On a roll of a 1, the Emperor poops his pants.

Such a great example of leadership for the imperium

And we wonder why it's so screwed up.....

umm I may be wrong but wasnt the emperor more powerful physically than the primarchs?

and didn't sanguinious pick up a bloodthirster and break him across his knee.

so wouldent the emperor need really high str and toughness...

Apoc only, 500 pts, can only be used with a force of 7k pts+ (He would only be with the largest of forces)

Humbaba wrote:umm I may be wrong but wasnt the emperor more powerful physically than the primarchs?

He was not.

Though he could have easily used his Psychic power to increase his physical strength..

Nonetheless, he just defeated the Primarchs with skill and not brute strength. After all, he's got over 30,000 years of experience behind him.. which would probably actually make him about WS 9 or 10 if you think about it; considering there's a ~10,000 year-old Deldar character who has WS9. Even if the only reason she's alive is to kill, the Emperor's got a lot more years on her so I'm pretty sure he'll know how to handle himself in a fistfight, with a sword, pistol or trusty old beatstick.

Makes sense.

Melee actually does rely on comparing skill levels.

So, either we just slap on WS10, or perhaps WS8 and always re-roll to hit, or perhaps WS10 and always re-rolling to hit.

Combined with Psychic powers and whatnot.. you definitely don't want to be on the receiving end.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:considering there's a ~10,000 year-old Deldar character who has WS9.

There's also an Eldar pskyer as old as the Emperor (at least) and he's only WS 5.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:considering there's a ~10,000 year-old Deldar character who has WS9.

There's also an Eldar pskyer as old as the Emperor (at least) and he's only WS 5.

That psyker didn't go man-to-man with primarchs and hold his own.

Didn't Eldrad get chased off by Fulgrim?

DarknessEternal wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:considering there's a ~10,000 year-old Deldar character who has WS9.

There's also an Eldar pskyer as old as the Emperor (at least) and he's only WS 5.

Eldrad is 10,000 Years old or so, meaning he was born in M30 or around there.

The Emperor was born in 8000 B.C.

You do the math. I don't think it's silly at all to give the Emperor WS10, especially since WS is how skilled you are with your weapons.

ChrisWWII wrote:Eldrad is 10,000 Years old or so, meaning he was born in M30 or around there.

The Emperor was born in 8000 B.C.

You do the math. I don't think it's silly at all to give the Emperor WS10, especially since WS is how skilled you are with your weapons.

And the Emperor has been sitting on his can for the last 10k, right?
Still, it wouldn't be unreasonable to give the best, prime example of a species WS8 or better. Given Lilith H's "A League above" or whatever it is, the Big E ought to be WS8+.

I though we were assuming this was pre-Heresy, otherwise what would the point be? We're making rules for when he was walking around and all that nice stuff.

I'm assuming it's M.30. Middle of the Great Crusade.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Humbaba wrote:umm I may be wrong but wasnt the emperor more powerful physically than the primarchs?

He was not.

And again you provide no proof to back up your statements.

CajunMan wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Humbaba wrote:umm I may be wrong but wasnt the emperor more powerful physically than the primarchs?

He was not.

And again you provide no proof to back up your statements.

The Emperor wins every test of strength against the Primarchs so yeah he's more physically poweful

Remember guys, we have to do this proportionally. For example, a S5 model is described as strong enough to break a Space Marines' back with its bare hands.

Sanguinius broke a Bloodthirster's back.. so, S7 for Primarch's then? Perhaps to a greater or lesser degree for some of them, of course, depending on Psychic powers, weapons and wargear.

Therefore, the Big E would either be, depending on your argument, less than S7, equal to S7 or just above S7.

So, to expand on that, if you believe the Emperor should not have a higher strength than the Primarchs, then S4, 5 or 6 for you. Those who reckon he's either just marginally stronger or weaker, S7. Those who say he was a lot stronger: S8.

S7 seems to be a fair thing for me. As for the rest of his stats....

WS10 BS5 T4 S7 W4 A5 2+/3++

We can add a few psychic rules too to represent how hard it'd be to actually land a shot on him, or shots just being reflected, but let's see if we can agree on things one line at a time.

In terms of use in a game it doesnt matter what profile you give him as long as he is more powerfull than any other character in the army and the enemy has Horus, Horus should be more physically powerfull and Emperor more powerfull in the psychic department but they should be as close to equal in overall ability as possible.
no points cost as Emperor and Horus cancell each other out.


In terms of background im not up to date with the fiction or even the newer rule books but i think the defining Emperor descriptions are in the original realm of chaos books.


Chaos gods are infinately more powerfull than the Emperor.
Despite stats to the contrary Necron star gods are probably next in line along with Gork and Mork and Eldar gods (no not the Avatar).
Independent demons/nacent powers/Emperor (see realm of chaos).
Then we get Demon primarchs.
Then greater demons and Primarchs.
Demon princes.




Oh and basically the Emperor "now" is essentially a light house so can do nothing in a battle.

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