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i really like these. I will have a them at adepticon if any one wants to see. they are the size of the small chessex but are much denser

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Wow... good thing this is just a game... I'd hate to see what would happen if there were real consequences to these dice rolls...

I have to disagree with you, SoloFalcon.

In the first case, as much time, money, and effort as I spend on painting my miniatures, I'd like for my actual game experience to be fair. Dice that roll 1's 29% of the time (nearly twice the expected rate) are anything but fair.

I plan on putting my dice on the table and allowing any opponent to use them as well. If I had room for a felt dice rolling area with a backstop to bounce the dice, I'd build one.

MikeMcSomething wrote: I imagine it would be difficult to appeal to Dash anyway, as I believe he truly thinks that if he were to pick up a set of Chessex dice, he would have about 1/3 chance of getting a 1 on every die roll.

I went to a tournament this past weekend. My Dark Eldar list has 3 ravagers with triple dark lances. I have three sets of chessex dice; purple with white pips, blue with red pips, and white with black pips. I switch between them sometimes.

My game two: In three turns of firing ravagers (minus one ravager for one turn that was stunned), for a total of 24 shots needing 3+ to hit and 4+ to glance, I got two hits (3+), and one glance(4), which rolled a 2 - shaking a vendetta. In turn four, one of my ravagers finally got through side armour on a chimera (AV10) needing a 3+ to hit and 2+ to glance and exploded it.

My game three: My opponent reserved his army because I won the roll to go first. Mechanized Blood Angels - 4 lasplas razorbacks, 3 autolas predators, 2 assault cannon predators, 2 multimelta/heavy flamer landspeeders, and a Furioso dreadnought. On turn2 when he came in from reserves, he got 2 razorbacks, a dreadnought, and one predator. I was in midfield, and moved up to unleash my ENTIRE anti-tank capabilities against his army. 26 Darklight shots later (9 dark lances and 17 blaster shots), I had wrecked a single rhino, and done nothing to anything else.

On my opponents turn 3, he got the rest of his army minus one razorback. He took down some splinter cannons (which didn't matter because I couldn't get through his vehicles anyway), and didn't touch my ravagers. 9 lances later into predators (two needing 3+ to hit, 3+ to glance, and one needing 3+ to hit, 4+ to glance), I had zero results. Blasters netted me an immobilized result on a predator, and my wyches assaulted another predator with haywire grenades, wrecking it.

The one shining moment of the game was when his furioso assaulted my wyches, caused four wounds, and I rolled quadruple sixes for my invulnerable saves.

I don't feel like my saving throws remotely make up for the continually abysmal state of my shooting, and....there's nothing that would convince me that my dice work the way that they are supposed to. 26 dark lance shots causing a single wreck and nothing else is a bad game. That happening consistently almost EVERY game....that's a trend that needs examining and rectifying.





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kronk wrote:
I plan on putting my dice on the table and allowing any opponent to use them as well. If I had room for a felt dice rolling area with a backstop to bounce the dice, I'd build one.

I made a dice box by taking an amazon shipping box, wrapping the entire outside of it in clear tape for reinforcement, then lining the inside of it with the one-sided sticky felt that you get at walmart. I don't roll any better for having it, but its *very* useful when I use it for not having my dice roll under models, off the table, etc. In hindsight (I made it 6+ months ago), I need to make one with shorter walls, because while I leave it on the table for my opponent to see my dice, the walls on it (an amazon shipping box for books) are high enough that my opponent has to stand up to look into the box, and the cardboard flaps under the felt are prominent enough that they can cock dice.

I'm going to have to make a v.2 that is shorter and has a completely flat bottom.

Maybe I'll break out my Hirst Arts molds and go to town on something.

I made a dice roller for D&D, but it's far too small to use in 40k.

(Hasn't read thread so apologies if this has been mentioned before)

If GW dice truly are biased due to air bubbles (either consistently low, or biased at random to one side) would it not be possible to place the dice in a liquid sufficiently dense for them to float, and then see which side ends up on top? You could then filter the dice that are biased to 5s and 6s to keep as your own dice...

The only problem with this is finding a liquid thick enough (they'd sink in water) but still allowing the dice to move such that they orientate properly. The other possibility is just dropping the dice in a pot of water deep enough for them to orientate dense-side down, and seeing which side they land on at the bottom.

Obviously all this isn't perfect, you'd have to run multiple tests and somehow ID each dice to make sure the side that it appears biased to is constant, but still...

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

Most of the problem with non precision dice isn't due to air bubbles but due to faces which are not the same size. the simplified version is that smaller faces are less likely to end up facing down when the die comes to a stop.

The problem with the anecdotal evidence, Dash, it that everyone has opposite stories, too.

For example, this past weekend I didn't make a single "Tough" roll for my trollbloods for warmahordes (need a 5+) for a unit of 10 models over the course of the game, each rolled individually as they were attacked.

On the other hand, last week I was making 50% of my tough rolls with the same dice.

I don't deny that your rolling sounds terrible, to the point of being abnormal, and your dice cube could be to blame. It just doesn't prove that every dice cube is biased in the same way by the same manufacturer. My anecdotal evidence has been that my GW cube rolls too high, and I'm no longer using it... so I don't blame you for no longer using your GW cube, it just doesn't make sense to take a leap and point to all GW cubes being thus when others have a different experience.

By the way, when do the dice you ordered come in? I believe you'll get better results once you start using them, and I'd like to hear about it.

I know it probably just slipped through quality control but I had to bin a 12mm chessex die as it had two 5s and one side was about 2mm shorter than it should be. If it wasn't just a simple mistake then I can't see them worrying about the dice rolling as accuratly as they should do.

One of my dice has two threes instead of a two and a three. =p


So my new dice from Godbama came in tonight. I got 24 black dice, and 4 each red, green, and white 12mm square dice. Unfortunately, they have drilled pips - I had specifically inquired and was told they would be etched, so I'm a bit disappointed.

I did some accidental and purposeful test rolling - first when I opened the bag to show them to my wife, three spilled out and bounced across the floor....all ended up on

Coincidence right? So I took out 12 of them, shook them up and scattered them across my poker table. Five and seven other results. I dropped out two dice down to ten. Second try, four . Third try six .

Either I'm truly cursed with dice, or I roll them in such a way that they can predictably land on the least favorable side. ><

Dashofpepper wrote:One of my dice has two threes instead of a two and a three. =p


So my new dice from Godbama came in tonight. I got 24 black dice, and 4 each red, green, and white 12mm square dice. Unfortunately, they have drilled pips - I had specifically inquired and was told they would be etched, so I'm a bit disappointed.

I did some accidental and purposeful test rolling - first when I opened the bag to show them to my wife, three spilled out and bounced across the floor....all ended up on

Coincidence right? So I took out 12 of them, shook them up and scattered them across my poker table. Five and seven other results. I dropped out two dice down to ten. Second try, four . Third try six .

Either I'm truly cursed with dice, or I roll them in such a way that they can predictably land on the least favorable side. ><

Well, guess that proved itself out...

Dashofpepper wrote:One of my dice has two threes instead of a two and a three. =p


So my new dice from Godbama came in tonight. I got 24 black dice, and 4 each red, green, and white 12mm square dice. Unfortunately, they have drilled pips - I had specifically inquired and was told they would be etched, so I'm a bit disappointed.

I did some accidental and purposeful test rolling - first when I opened the bag to show them to my wife, three spilled out and bounced across the floor....all ended up on

Coincidence right? So I took out 12 of them, shook them up and scattered them across my poker table. Five and seven other results. I dropped out two dice down to ten. Second try, four . Third try six .

Either I'm truly cursed with dice, or I roll them in such a way that they can predictably land on the least favorable side. ><

Sounds like the bad luck I've *always* had with my own dice, no matter the game system. Had a Hordes game a few weeks ago where my warlock managed to miss 14 out of his 15 attacks on the enemy warcaster due to low rolling. If anyone's curious, it was Kromac in beast form on his feat turn, and the enemy warcaster was Stryker. I was rolling a mix of 12mm GW dice and 12mm Chessex dice. It was a bad enough run that I'm considering getting a new block of dice in hopes of improving my odds somewhat.

Christ, Dash!
With the Godboma dice?

Now, I'm convinced that it's just you. My dice from them are great.

Eric

Da Butcha wrote:I don't get how voluntarily choosing to spend money on more dice is taking the game *this* seriously.

I mean, we are choosing to spend money on little tiny plastic men to move around on a table and pretend shoot other little tiny plastic men.

Is the money wasted on plastic cubes more ridiculous than the money wasted on plastic evil space elves?

Miniatures are collectable, dice are expendable. People are talking about spending $10 PER DICE just because they feel they are rolling more of one particular number over any other. I get that this is a luxury hobby and we all have a fair whack of expendable income in order to facilitate playing this hobby, but surely there's a limit?

But hey, who am I to tell people how to spend their money.

L. Wrex

I know a guy who can, will and does drop a few hundred bucks at a time on painted minis on feebay... regularly...
To him, this is expendable income.

The term really is relative to the individual.

While the same guy *would* see $10 per die as ridiculous, if he wanted them, he'd buy the 50 or so he needed without a backwards glance.

Eric

$10/die is a bit steep, but $1 each? I mean, how often are you really buying dice?

$10 a die is fairly cheap.

Look over my fence; Fast food - one meal - can run that much, eating out ten times that no problems, new 'cheap' shirt $25, smokes 12+, six pack of beer etc.

Die are not disposable goods.


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Mr. Grey wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:One of my dice has two threes instead of a two and a three. =p


So my new dice from Godbama came in tonight. I got 24 black dice, and 4 each red, green, and white 12mm square dice. Unfortunately, they have drilled pips - I had specifically inquired and was told they would be etched, so I'm a bit disappointed.

I did some accidental and purposeful test rolling - first when I opened the bag to show them to my wife, three spilled out and bounced across the floor....all ended up on

Coincidence right? So I took out 12 of them, shook them up and scattered them across my poker table. Five and seven other results. I dropped out two dice down to ten. Second try, four . Third try six .

Either I'm truly cursed with dice, or I roll them in such a way that they can predictably land on the least favorable side. ><

Sounds like the bad luck I've *always* had with my own dice, no matter the game system. Had a Hordes game a few weeks ago where my warlock managed to miss 14 out of his 15 attacks on the enemy warcaster due to low rolling. If anyone's curious, it was Kromac in beast form on his feat turn, and the enemy warcaster was Stryker. I was rolling a mix of 12mm GW dice and 12mm Chessex dice. It was a bad enough run that I'm considering getting a new block of dice in hopes of improving my odds somewhat.

1) You're pursuing a refund right?
2) Have you tried rolling with you left hand? =(

Not pursuing a refund, and I'm left handed, so I already roll with my left hand. =D

Well that's the problem, You are a witch. BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! Wait i'm left handed too.

I'd join in with the leftie thing. I'm one, I roll with it, and I got 1s around 20-30% of the time in my last game.

Actually, I think I roll above average, and I use Bicycle- brand dice from Wallmart. My best friend, whom is also left- handed, would make Dash look like he is using loaded dice. My amigo used to run three Heavy Destroyers in his Necron army, and in a six-turn game he would average 2 hits. I can't remember him ever even glancing a vehicle with them. Iit dosn't matter what dice, D&D, Board games,40K- he will lose every time; I almost feel sorry for him. However, he could find a turd painted gold in someone's garbage and put it on Ebay, where it will turn out to be made by some obscure Asian turd-painter and sell for $1500.00!

So godbama (www.godbama.com) apparently read this thread and issued me a refund because he thought I was upset with my dice.

I wasn't looking for a refund, but I've got to give them credit for great customer service. =D Seeing if I can unrefund my refund. =p

They sound like great people to work with, and it's always nice to deal with people who check Dakka! I set high stock by such vendors

That said, I'm in with AgeofEgos' order and will update here when it goes through, but it won't be until after Adepticon that they're getting ready for.

Perfectly balanced, no indented pips. I'll have them with me at the Nova Open and if you want to roll them, Dash, and end up getting ones... maybe you should let your wife or someone else roll for you

Dashofpepper wrote:So godbama (www.godbama.com) apparently read this thread and issued me a refund because he thought I was upset with my dice.

I wasn't looking for a refund, but I've got to give them credit for great customer service. =D Seeing if I can unrefund my refund. =p

I believe you mean Godboma! Paging Dr. Freud...

Wait, you're talking about godbama as in the guy who sells on ebay, right? Checking out his ebay page, he predominantly sells chessex. It doesnt' matter WHO you buy chessex dice from, they're still chessex dice.

Unless you got like Koplow from him or something, then I don't know...

Meh, I had a big strop with my chessex dice yesterday. After we (my opponant too) finished laughing our heads off as I couldn't hit or wound anything at all. With Eldar and Tau.

Thats 3 games at 2000pts, hense 2 packs of chessex dice made their way into the WHW bins with a sigh of good riddance, with a third pack teetering on the edge of disposal as they are rotten too. My dice rolling is near legendary within the group that I play, for all the wrong reasons.

To that end I've ordered some Kaplow? dice, to see if that makes a difference. I just find that the chessex dice roll ones too consistantly, to the point that every time I roll we look to see how many I have managed that time as it is more fun than the non game that is happening.

Dashofpepper wrote:So godbama (www.godbama.com) apparently read this thread and issued me a refund because he thought I was upset with my dice.

I wasn't looking for a refund, but I've got to give them credit for great customer service. =D Seeing if I can unrefund my refund. =p

Wow Go Dakka, that is fairly awesome. Mad service.

Ailaros wrote:Wait, you're talking about godbama as in the guy who sells on ebay, right? Checking out his ebay page, he predominantly sells chessex. It doesnt' matter WHO you buy chessex dice from, they're still chessex dice.

Unless you got like Koplow from him or something, then I don't know...

He sells dice.

Some of the dice he sells are Koplow. If you search for koplow dice, or search HIS auctions for Koplow dice, you'll see that he runs a fair few. He has them on his site, as well.

@Dash... Not too surprised by the refund he gave.That level of service is why I recommended him to you. My experiences with him have only been good. From here on out, I'm buying all my dice from him, unless I'm looking for something specific or custom that he doesn't carry.

Eric

So, I was thinking on how best to refine my previously mentioned method of detecting air bubbles in dice. The results are in the following diagram:



Simply: fill a container with mercury, and place the dice in. The dice should naturally come to rest with their least dense (and hence most likely to roll) face upwards. Remove the dice in categories depending on their upwards face, and test again. Any dice which floats with the same face upwards repeatedly, even if placed in the mercury with a different face initially upwards shows strong evidence of being biased. Unfortunately, this method does not show how significant the bias is: the bias could be tiny or huge. You'd have to test roll the set of '6 bias' dice to see if there is in fact any statistical variation.

Can anyone smarter than me point out why this wouldn't work?

Why mercury? It was the only non-extremely toxic liquid I could find which was dense enough for the dice to float, but with a low enough viscosity to ensure the dice can move freely to orientate themselves. Of course, mercury itself is still toxic, and I don't recommend this plan unless you're a trained chemist who knows all the appropriate safety procedures! (and are also most likely to have access to mercury).

Of course, if anyone knows of any household liquids with a density higher than 2g/ml and with a viscosity as low as possible, be sure to mention...

EDIT: Dissolving salt in water would up its density without massively altering the viscosity. I just don't know if it would be enough to make the dice float.

It wouldn't work because most dice bias is not the result of air bubbles.