New Grey knights Lord Kaldor Draigo fluff broken ... ?

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**Bolognesus**

DarknessEternal wrote:40k goes to 11.

I think it's a bit past that stage already. I mean, titanic walkers with whole companies of elite troops in their legs is not going to 11? and that's like, 30 years ago or something...
nothing wrong with some good, old fashioned wow-factor. that's not to say this is good; this is just bad fluffwriting. the over-the-top feel is native, however.

**Asherian Command**

I like his model and his fluff. But I hate matt ward. I suggest. DLS Makes a rewrite of it.

**Owain**

Laodamia wrote:
Owain wrote:And by the way, how 'bout that Fallout 3 Recon Armor Helmet? Between that and the Dreadknight they're just doing a Brotherhood of Steel port.

I never played this game but I heard about it.

You mean a lot of fluff from the new GK is similar to the fallout background?

The underlying fluff is very different, but Draigo's equipment bears strong resemblance to that of the Brotherhood of Steel, a tech-cult that formed after a worldwide nuclear war wiped most human civilization from the face of the planet.

**pretre**

Wait, so Draigo is derivative of an organization that is derivative of plate mail with pauldrons and arming caps?

Reeeacccching.

You have seen pictures of knights wearing plate and arming caps before, right?

**Laodamia**

pretre wrote:Wait, so Draigo is derivative of an organization that is derivative of plate mail with pauldrons and arming caps?

Reeeacccching.

You have seen pictures of knights wearing plate and arming caps before, right?

I am sure owain's post is not as stupid as you might think. I read some fallout fluff on the Internet, especially on this "brotherhood of steel", and yes, there is some kind of similarity between their look and the GK's appearance. I mean, similarities more important than that they can basically be compared to sci-fi knights with big and shiny armour.

**Kanluwen**

I'm really not seeing a similarity between the Brotherhood of Steel, outside of the arming cap(which--quite frankly--is a big "so what?". Arming caps are a knightly icon, and what's more--the one on the Grey Knights only has wires on it because it hooks into the Aegis suit's psychic hood).

**Lord of battles**

Herp a Durp....

**case013**

vodo40k wrote:Lol I like the idea of him setting fire to nurgles garden. I have this image of him, grinning mischievously with a sliver zippo (with the =I= engraved on it of course) setting fire to a half dead tree, while a plague bearer has its back turned.

While grandfather Nurgle runs outside waving his mixing spoon screaming for the stupid kids to get out of his garden

**Asherian Command**

case013 wrote:
vodo40k wrote:Lol I like the idea of him setting fire to nurgles garden. I have this image of him, grinning mischievously with a sliver zippo (with the =I= engraved on it of course) setting fire to a half dead tree, while a plague bearer has its back turned.

While grandfather Nurgle runs outside waving his mixing spoon screaming for the stupid kids to get out of his garden

Now I want him more than ever XD

**ph34r**

Owain wrote:The underlying fluff is very different, but Draigo's equipment bears strong resemblance to that of the Brotherhood of Steel, a tech-cult that formed after a worldwide nuclear war wiped most human civilization from the face of the planet.

I don't wanna spoil your genius factory moment, but Grey Knights have always had that sort of half leather, half tech bits skull cover on under their helmets.

**Platuan4th**

Laodamia wrote:
pretre wrote:Wait, so Draigo is derivative of an organization that is derivative of plate mail with pauldrons and arming caps?

Reeeacccching.

You have seen pictures of knights wearing plate and arming caps before, right?

I am sure owain's post is not as stupid as you might think. I read some fallout fluff on the Internet, especially on this "brotherhood of steel", and yes, there is some kind of similarity between their look and the GK's appearance. I mean, similarities more important than that they can basically be compared to sci-fi knights with big and shiny armour.

You mean that 2 groups that pull their inspiration from the same source out of history look slightly similar?

**terribletrygon**

ph34r wrote:
Owain wrote:The underlying fluff is very different, but Draigo's equipment bears strong resemblance to that of the Brotherhood of Steel, a tech-cult that formed after a worldwide nuclear war wiped most human civilization from the face of the planet.
I don't wanna spoil your genius factory moment, but Grey Knights have always had that sort of half leather, half tech bits skull cover on under their helmets.

The man isn't wrong.

There was another piece from the same 3rd ed Deamonhunter Codex this art came from that also had a Grey Knight with the same kind of hat hood thing. It is something they have had for a long time now. Since before Fallout 3 existed and the consoles that its played on were even released.

**ChronoCupcake**

hahaha

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pretre wrote:
ChronoCupcake wrote:
IIRC it wasnt just him it was him and the previous supreme grandmaster Jainus, the two strongest grey knights in existence.

Janus was not there. Janus was GM of the GK during the Horus Heresy. Draigo became SGM 11k years later. He and a force of GK's (it is unclear how many) pulled off the stunt against Mortarion.

Keep in mind the power disparity between astrates and grey knights, GK's were in theory made from the emperors own geneseed to be incorruptible warriors against chaos, In a sense there a halfway point between astrates and the primarchs of old. IIRC in one of the books by black library a 3rd or 4th company captain of a chapter of astrates gets bested in combat by a grey knight justicar who was just toying with him.

You are muddling up Custodes and Grey Knights. Grey Knights great strength is that they are uncorruptible and psykers, not that they are supremely better than normal astartes. They also get better gear. Also, there is no confirmation, that I am aware of, that GKs come from the Emperor's Geneseed (or that the Emperor even had geneseed, in the way that we think of it). The black library passage you are thinking of was Custodes and Word Bearers, unless I'm thinking of a different one.

Makes sense that Mortation now being a daemon prince and thereby having a weakness to the anti daemon weaponry they field could in theory be bested (not utterly destroyed mind you) by the two greatest grey knights in existence no ?. Allthough I would imagine a "mortal" primarch who wasnt part daemon would have fared much better against the two.

I'm guessing that the better part of a GK strike force could indeed successfully deal with a Daemon Primarch, as they did it before with Angron. Two GKs? Probably not.

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nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, IF there are two of you, the two strongest of the most elite marine force and *one of you dies in the process*, THEN you have a chance of beating them.

Pretty sure this is not how it went down. From the book:
"He became Supreme Grand Master in the early days of 901.M41, following the slaughter of the previous Chapter Lord at the hands of the Daemon Primarch Mortarion, and his first act was to carve..."

I'm pretty sure you don't get field promoted during a fight with a Daemon to Sup GM. I believe you'll find there was time between those two events and Draigo led a force against Mortarion.

IIRC it was one of the books with uriel ventris where he gets bitch slapped by a Justicar so hard it knocks him out and in the following scuffle outclassed in everyway shape and form, its heavily implied that grey knights are Superior to regular cookie cutter astrates there training is much harder as is there gear, not to mention the science behind making a grey knight is so much more advanced you inevitably get a much more refined end product. (Apologies If my reply is in cohesive I have a major hangover)

**case013**

Because as he stated the only way Uriel and Pasanius could have beaten him was if they were indeed corrupted

**cyrax777**

The only way my brain can accept his fluff is by its just all one very exaggerated tale. Kinda like a old west dime novel.

**Thunderfrog**

The absolute best part about Draigo is that no matter how outlandish his fluff, he is outshined on the tabletop by three Obliter-apes in a Chimera who cost half the points.

The fluff should be retconned to say that 3 Jokaero Weaponsmiths burst from a rampaging Chimera to carve an image of a banana on the primarchs rotting heart.

**AlmightyWalrus**

terribletrygon wrote:Since before Fallout 3 existed and the consoles that its played on were even released.

While I agree with everything I said, Fallout 3 is in fact available for PC. I'm pretty sure there were PCs around during 3rd ed.

**IronfrontAlex**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
terribletrygon wrote:Since before Fallout 3 existed and the consoles that its played on were even released.

While I agree with everything I said, Fallout 3 is in fact available for PC. I'm pretty sure there were PCs around during 3rd ed.

as were fallout series games.

**terribletrygon**

I know, but the Iron Brotherhood only showed up through wiki'in on Fallout 3, and not the other games, so I went with that. I could be wrong, since I am not a gamer.

I also did not mention PC, as trying to fit it in would ruin a perfectly nice post pointing out that 2003 was a long time ago. Hence just mentioning the consoles.

**Asherian Command**

Grey Knights with leather caps have been around since 90's

**terribletrygon**

For serious brah? Then they probably do trump the Fallout series on leather caps even if I was wrong. As long as the Knights were having them before 1997. Which I reckon they probably did.

**Wyrmalla**

terribletrygon wrote:I know, but the Iron Brotherhood only showed up through wiki'in on Fallout 3, and not the other games, so I went with that. I could be wrong, since I am not a gamer.

I also did not mention PC, as trying to fit it in would ruin a perfectly nice post pointing out that 2003 was a long time ago. Hence just mentioning the consoles.

The Brotherhood of Steel have been present in all the Fallout games, the first of which was released in 1997, as have they had the cowl and power armour look since then too: http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/9/9c/FO01_NPC_Cabbot_N.png

But anyhow, it probably wasn't GW's intentions back in the Rogue Trader days or with the Deamonhunters Codex to make their minis as rip offs of over series, but with the writers that they have now its not pushing the bar too far to see that they're really lacking imagination and little better than fanboys to the game that their predessor's created. =/

**Kanluwen**

"Back in the Rogue Trader days" was before Fallout

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And as another note:
It's not any kind of leap of logic to assume that they didn't look at Fallout.

Look up anything regarding knights. You'll find quite a bit about the arming caps they'd wear under their chainmail coifs, which they in turn wore underneath the plate full helms.

**Wyrmalla**

Yup, as was implied....

I wasn't saying anything about the guys who made the Deamonhunter's codex stealing anyone else's ideas, the sci fi knight look is fiarly generic nowadays, just making the point that juding by the latest fluff ideas and minatures coming out of GW the designers have become really unimaginative. =/

**Kanluwen**

The fluff ideas? Certainly, quite a bit of it is over the top--but then again, a lot of it has also existed since 2nd/3rd edition.

I'm not really sure which "miniatures coming out of GW" are unimaginative.

**sphynx**

ChronoCupcake wrote:Hey guys with the reveal of the new of the new grey knights kit and there new HQ choice Lord Kaldor Draigo I decided to do a little digging around for leaked fluff, and whilst I appreciate this might be dated news for some I still think itd be interesting for the people who had there curiosity sparked with the reveal.

C-3

Don't forget the fact he destroyed a Tzeentchian fortress known as the Inevitable City, somehow 'toppling the walls' when a Daemon offered him a route back home.

**Asherian Command**

He had an army of melta bombs and something called luck. Seems like He also had some multilazors and a transforming Razorback and he can do back flips.

On a serious note he probaly just sneaked around found a massive hole in the middle of it and found out that was its power source and dropped a holy grenade down it someway.

Yeah I got nothing

**Footsloggin**

He thought of it as destroyed, and the Emporer's holy might flowed through him in a massive manifastation which completely leveled the city, purifying that land permanantly.

**Thunderfrog**

Rather, for about 15 minutes until Tzeentch rebuilt it.

**Generalian**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I can accept Draigo beating Mortarion. Two Grey Knight Grand Masters, the best of the best who exist for no reason but to hunt down and kill Daemons, with only one of them surviving the encounter, isn't too much of an outrage.

Razing one of Tzeentch's cities, killing six favoured daemonettes of Slaanesh and burning down the FRIGGIN' GARDEN OF NURGLE, however, just doesn't happen. If he's trapped in the Warp so often, why doesn't the Chaos Gods just step on him? It makes no sense! DOES NOT COMPUTE! ERROR! ERROR!

remember. in the fluff it says that no matter he does, they all come back. The garden regrows, the daemons find new bodies, and tzeentchs cities rebuild themselves. It may be easier then we thought to slay these things, since they techincally invincble and immortal. Being in the warp could have also transformed Draigo into some half daemon half grey knight hybrid. Maybe the gods can't kill him because they cannot physically interact with him themselves. Or maybe he is going to be bait for the emperor himself, who knows, maybe the demons are dying ON PURPOSE.