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Hey guys with the reveal of the new of the new grey knights kit and there new HQ choice Lord Kaldor Draigo I decided to do a little digging around for leaked fluff, and whilst I appreciate this might be dated news for some I still think itd be interesting for the people who had there curiosity sparked with the reveal.

* WARNING POTENTIAL SPOILERS *

Basically Im curious as to whats going on at GW hq as this seems to be such a radical departure from everything theyve done so far, to summarize some of the leaked fluff Lord Kaldor Draigo is famous for killing a daemon prince in his first combat action, banishing daemon primarch Mortarion back to the warp, somehow carving the name of the previous supreme grand master Janus into the heart of said daemon primarch, single handedly holding off a daemon horde for two days in real space, killing a daemon prince with a broken sword, Killing one of Khorne's strongest bloodthirsters with little to no weaponry, taking said bloodthirsters axe and reforging it into a sword for his own personal use USING HIS MIND, slaying 6 of Slaanesh's chosen daemonettes, setting fire to Nurgle's garden and slaying countless daemons whilst being trapped in warpspace.

So not only is this guy so badass he can survive in warpspace indefinitely after somehow being cursed there (food / water / shelter ?), he can also be summoned like a warp entity and hes pretty much a one man army. Primarchs afaik are portrayed as these invincible demi gods and yet this dude carved a name into a daemon primarchs heart ?!?!, whilst I understand that the validity of some of these leaks might be suspect surely there must be at least some truth to them. I really just wanted to know if you guys think he sounds a lil ... broken, Im still looking forward to the second wave where the unveil a justicar who seemingly dies from mortal wounds and comes back to life everytime regardless of his injuries.

Cheers guys
C-3

Fluff is fluff, and this guy has a very good PR agent, gets everyone pumped up to meet him....and when he comes out on stage is only 4'6" tall.....

Yeah I agree if he had only done one of these things it would still seem kinda out there, but we are dealing with Chaos and all, maybe he is just a over acheiver.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Fluff is fluff, and this guy has a very good PR agent, gets everyone pumped up to meet him....and when he comes out on stage is only 4'6" tall.....

Yeah I agree if he had only done one of these things it would still seem kinda out there, but we are dealing with Chaos and all, maybe he is just a over acheiver.

Maybe its a stretch but maybe they intend to turn him into 40k's equivalent of WHFB's Valten exalted of Sigmar, or at the very least some kind of physical manifestation of the emperors will / power / essence ? or would that be too rainbows lollipops and sunshine for 40k ?.

In Grey Knights Books, it does take a Grand Master to kill off either a Greater Daemon, Greater Daemon Lord, or even a Deamon Prince. If the 13th Company and even Russ survive in the Wrap, I guess a Supreme Grand Master can survive in as well.

Who wrote the codex? If it's Matt Ward then all your questions are answered.

EDIT: Yup, codex was written by Ward. That should answer all of your questions.

Gavo wrote:Who wrote the codex? If it's Matt Ward then all your questions are answered.

EDIT: Yup, codex was written by Ward. That should answer all of your questions.

who or what is this Matt Ward you speak off ? I see a lot of hate directed towards him and im not totally sure why (Iv'e only been into 40k fluff for about a year), but people seem to make him sound like a Grot in charge of a baneblade when it comes to his ... chauvinistic approach to blowing gak out of proportion.

ChronoCupcake wrote:who or what is this Matt Ward you speak off ?

Depending on who you mean he is one of 2 things:

a). A very poor writer for GW who has a liking for outragously over-the-top fluff, recently responsible for the Blood Angels codex.

b). A very bitter 40k player who's fed up of sharing the same name as the the aforementioned writer, mostly due to all the animosity that's expressed towards the name, i.e. me.

Just to let you know it just a name on the Codex, its really all the developers who test plays and help out with the codex.

wib wrote:

ChronoCupcake wrote:who or what is this Matt Ward you speak off ?

Depending on who you mean he is one of 2 things:

a). A very poor writer for GW who has a liking for outragously over-the-top fluff, recently responsible for the Blood Angels codex.

b). A very bitter 40k player who's fed up of sharing the same name as the the aforementioned writer, mostly due to all the animosity that's expressed towards the name, i.e. me.

Zing

But in all honesty what was so wrong with the Blood angels codex besides Dante suddenly having developed the emotional angst issues of a teen Jrpg protagonist and the Sanguinor being one of the lamest ideas for a hero ever, well actually that does sound kinda cheesy but not as broken as Kaldor Draigo and the dreadknight and this is just the first wave !, at this rate Draigo will turn into some kind of internet meme or oh dear lord imagine Draigo inside a dreadknight ... bricks will be shat ...

Derpgo has no justifiable reason to be so awesome. He is just stupid, but since he is in print and here to stay...

I hope ward catches the Chaos bug and updates a chaos character called Doom Rider. Who when he ran over and mortally wounded a Grey knight was told "I curse you to rot upon terra for eternity."

So Doom Rider jumps back into in the warp and is spat out on terra, Where he proceeded to smash his way into the throne room carves 'Fulgrim' on the emperor's chest, then he destroys a number of hives and kills million of terra's defenders. So much so that even the custodes are now afraid of him.

He also finds and kills Leman Russ in a drinking contest cause you know Slaanesh trumps wolf wolf drinking abilities. Occasionally he finds a way off terra but it is only temporary because Grey Knight (Sue) cursed him. No matter what he does he will eventually end up back there to do donuts, kill people, ejaculate plasma and shout nananana COCAINE!

So am I hired?

Personally I find the way he writes about them to be very amateur, honestly, I'm surprised they don't sparkle. Reading his fluff is like reading online fan-fiction.

The game balance of the Blood Angel Codex I don't really have too much of an issue with and yes, it a collaborative effort so blame cannot be laid at his feet but if that leaked fluff is accurate and Matt Ward wrote it, well I can't say I'm surprised in the slightest.

I subtlety is a rare thing in the 40k universe but there's only so far it can go before it gets ridiculous.

Shaman wrote:Derpgo has no justifiable reason to be so awesome. He is just stupid, but since he is in print and here to stay...

I hope ward catches the Chaos bug and updates a chaos character called Doom Rider. Who when he ran over and mortally wounded a Grey knight was told "I curse you to rot upon terra for eternity."

So Doom Rider jumps back into in the warp and is spat out on terra, Where he proceeded to smash his way into the throne room carves 'Fulgrim' on the emperor's chest, then he destroys a number of hives and kills million of terra's defenders. So much so that even the custodes are now afraid of him.

He also finds and kills Leman Russ in a drinking contest cause you know Slaanesh trumps wolf wolf drinking abilities. Occasionally he finds a way off terra but it is only temporary because Grey Knight (Sue) cursed him. No matter what he does he will eventually end up back there to do donuts, kill people, ejaculate plasma and shout nananana COCAINE!

So am I hired?

Doomrider reminds me of this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQHKQbXal0 total segway i know but I just had to share

/tg/ already hates Matt Ward for the fluff he wrote into the SM and BA codices, they are going to have a gak fit when Grey Knights are released. When they give examples of why their rage is justified, I really have to wonder why GW lets Matt Ward anywhere near the fluff. They could have their pick of better authors from Black Library, for whom fluffing out a codex would be easier than writing a whole novel.

Can we email Matt ward and call him a feminine cleaning product? Someone find his # and email haha

It's basically a textbook case of a Mary Sue insertion fic.

Athaleon wrote:/tg/ already hates Matt Ward for the fluff he wrote into the SM and BA codices, they are going to have a gak fit when Grey Knights are released. When they give examples of why their rage is justified, I really have to wonder why GW lets Matt Ward anywhere near the fluff. They could have their pick of better authors from Black Library, for whom fluffing out a codex would be easier than writing a whole novel.

Because he loves marines as much as GW does? Marines mean money.

n0t_u wrote:

Athaleon wrote:/tg/ already hates Matt Ward for the fluff he wrote into the SM and BA codices, they are going to have a gak fit when Grey Knights are released. When they give examples of why their rage is justified, I really have to wonder why GW lets Matt Ward anywhere near the fluff. They could have their pick of better authors from Black Library, for whom fluffing out a codex would be easier than writing a whole novel.

Because he loves marines as much as GW does? Marines mean money.

But, Draigo still wants to be a Ultramarine and recognises Marneus Calgar as his spiritual liege.

I kinda avoid reading GW codex fluff. the IA fluff is 10000 times better in my opinion.

n0t_u wrote:Because he loves marines as much as GW does? Marines mean money.

Money lost that is.

I don't see any evidence of increased sales with GW (just less Xenos players) since their focus on Marines. Conversely, in 2nd ed when there was more equal focus they had a huge growth in customer numbers.

ChronoCupcake wrote:banishing daemon primarch Mortarion back to the warp, somehow carving the name of the previous supreme grand master Janus into the heart of said daemon primarch,

Whereas it takes a whole company of Grey Knights and a Chapter Master to send Angron back to the Warp. Now I know Angron is tough, but Mortarion can't be this much of a wuss.

ChronoCupcake wrote:Killing one of Khorne's strongest bloodthirsters with little to no weaponry, taking said bloodthirsters axe and reforging it into a sword for his own personal use USING HIS MIND

Heretic, the Inquisition would like to know about this! Hey, wait a minute ... !?!

and ... and I think ...

xlightscreen wrote:I kinda avoid reading GW codex fluff. the IA fluff is 10000 times better in my opinion.

As do I, the Index Astartes articles made sense and it was great when the Codex's were in line with them and vice versa, now the Codex are getting stupid.

I still think that the fluff in the IA is superior in a lot of regards even though it is older.

Actually it was only a brother captain that killed off Angron. NOT a GM.

As a chaos player, that makes me hate life. According to fluff, Angron would have to be like the strongest fighter ever...I seriously don't think Khorne would even let him lose...

nosferatu1001 wrote:Actually it was only a brother captain that killed off Angron. NOT a GM.

Indeed it was, just read the Codicium Imperialis version of it to refresh my memory but it does seem to be a different one to what I remember.

I remember there being a version where only a single Grey Knight walked away from that fight?

Pilau Rice wrote:

ChronoCupcake wrote:banishing daemon primarch Mortarion back to the warp, somehow carving the name of the previous supreme grand master Janus into the heart of said daemon primarch,

Whereas it takes a whole company of Grey Knights and a Chapter Master to send Angron back to the Warp. Now I know Angron is tough, but Mortarion can't be this much of a wuss.

Mortarion was a wuss even before he ascended to Daemonhood. His real asset was the fact that he could 'step into the shadows', becoming invisible for all intents and purposes.
From what little we've seen describing him after his ascension--he seems to be a more sorcerer styled Daemon Primarch.

Angron, however, is a totally different story--like pretty much all of Khorne's daemons are. You don't have to worry about Khorne daemons possessing large quantities of people, raising the dead for cannon fodder, or any of the shenanigans you see with the rest of the Ruinous Powers and their daemonic infestations. You have to worry about the fact that these are daemons, completely and utterly, intended for ripping you to pieces.

ChronoCupcake wrote:Killing one of Khorne's strongest bloodthirsters with little to no weaponry, taking said bloodthirsters axe and reforging it into a sword for his own personal use USING HIS MIND

Heretic, the Inquisition would like to know about this! Hey, wait a minute ... !?!

and ... and I think ...

What's wrong with a Grey Knight doing something psychic?

xlightscreen wrote:I kinda avoid reading GW codex fluff. the IA fluff is 10000 times better in my opinion.

As do I, the Index Astartes articles made sense and it was great when the Codex's were in line with them and vice versa, now the Codex are getting stupid.

I still think that the fluff in the IA is superior in a lot of regards even though it is older.

I think he's actually talking about Imperial Armour.

There are the unlucky (said daemons), the lucky (daemons who didn't meet Draigo) and the supremely lucky (Draigo). Psychic = Luck

I'm sure for every Daemon he killed, there is a 100 page long background that explains how said daemon met with misfortune due to meddling in too many affairs, being cursed by other Gods, had thier power drained after killing 100 Grey Knights a few hours before, staying in real space for too long, getting hit with imba weaponry before fighting Draigo or just tripping on the rocky outcrop on which the two were dueling (yes, it happens).

Kanluwen wrote:
Mortarion was a wuss even before he ascended to Daemonhood. His real asset was the fact that he could 'step into the shadows', becoming invisible for all intents and purposes.
From what little we've seen describing him after his ascension--he seems to be a more sorcerer styled Daemon Primarch.

His real asset and that of the Death Guard was that they could fight in almost any environment. Not sure if Mortarion would be a sorcerer as he was one of the most vocal Primarchs about Magnus and his use of sorcery. The step into shadows thing is more about how silently he can move, as silent as death I would imagine.

Kanluwen wrote:Angron, however, is a totally different story--like pretty much all of Khorne's daemons are. You don't have to worry about Khorne daemons possessing large quantities of people, raising the dead for cannon fodder, or any of the shenanigans you see with the rest of the Ruinous Powers and their daemonic infestations. You have to worry about the fact that these are daemons, completely and utterly, intended for ripping you to pieces.

True, and I agree. Angron is war given form pretty much but Mortarion is still a Primarch and should be as hard as nails. Angron can dish it out but Mortarion should be able to take it, that's what Nurgle is all about.

Kanluwen wrote:What's wrong with a Grey Knight doing something psychic?

Not so much the psychic part but taking a weapon of the infernal powers and using it against them ... Sounds like the Relictors.

Kanluwen wrote:I think he's actually talking about Imperial Armour.

Never mind, I still think the Index Astartes articles are superior in many ways

Pilau Rice wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:What's wrong with a Grey Knight doing something psychic?

Not so much the psychic part but taking a weapon of the infernal powers and using it against them ... Sounds like the Relictors.

Or like, I don't know... Logan Grimnar(who's Axe was once a Chaos weapon, can't remember if it was a Daemon Weapon or not)? Or the Inquisition(Radicals do it regularly)?

It's far from unheard of outside the Relictors.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Mortarion was a wuss even before he ascended to Daemonhood. His real asset was the fact that he could 'step into the shadows', becoming invisible for all intents and purposes.
From what little we've seen describing him after his ascension--he seems to be a more sorcerer styled Daemon Primarch.

His real asset and that of the Death Guard was that they could fight in almost any environment. Not sure if Mortarion would be a sorcerer as he was one of the most vocal Primarchs about Magnus and his use of sorcery. The step into shadows thing is more about how silently he can move, as silent as death I would imagine.

Actually, he literally could step into the shadows. It's been mentioned in multiple places that he essentially appears from thin air, and that even Magnus didn't spot him using his 'Inner Sight'.

And just because he was 'vocal about Magnus and his use of sorcery' doesn't mean that he wouldn't use it. You have to remember that Mortarion was one of those who was first 'corrupted' by the Lodges. It's likely that he was in on the whole plan to corrupt Horus from the beginning.

Kanluwen wrote:Angron, however, is a totally different story--like pretty much all of Khorne's daemons are. You don't have to worry about Khorne daemons possessing large quantities of people, raising the dead for cannon fodder, or any of the shenanigans you see with the rest of the Ruinous Powers and their daemonic infestations. You have to worry about the fact that these are daemons, completely and utterly, intended for ripping you to pieces.

True, and I agree. Angron is war given form pretty much but Mortarion is still a Primarch and should be as hard as nails. Angron can dish it out but Mortarion should be able to take it, that's what Nurgle is all about.

Yeah, but that might not be what Mortarion is about. He may just be exhibiting an aspect as the 'avatar of Death'.

Kanluwen wrote:What's wrong with a Grey Knight doing something psychic?

Not so much the psychic part but taking a weapon of the infernal powers and using it against them ... Sounds like the Relictors.

Well no, the Relictors didn't purify the weapons before using them. And it's not as uncommon as you might think. There's fluff about the Guard using reclaimed/salvaged armoured vehicles that had been in Chaos hands before, but the Mechanicus and Inquisition do a pretty thorough job purifying the stuff before it ever is considered for frontline use again.

Kanluwen wrote:I think he's actually talking about Imperial Armour.

Never mind, I still think the Index Astartes articles are superior in many ways

Some of them, yeah. Others are just an example of "Bwuh?".

I can accept Draigo beating Mortarion. Two Grey Knight Grand Masters, the best of the best who exist for no reason but to hunt down and kill Daemons, with only one of them surviving the encounter, isn't too much of an outrage.


Razing one of Tzeentch's cities, killing six favoured daemonettes of Slaanesh and burning down the FRIGGIN' GARDEN OF NURGLE, however, just doesn't happen. If he's trapped in the Warp so often, why doesn't the Chaos Gods just step on him? It makes no sense! DOES NOT COMPUTE! ERROR! ERROR!

Platuan4th wrote:
Or like, I don't know... Logan Grimnar(who's Axe was once a Chaos weapon, can't remember if it was a Daemon Weapon or not)? Or the Inquisition(Radicals do it regularly)?

It's far from unheard of outside the Relictors.

Well I never knew about Logans Axe and the radical Inquisitors aren't exactly the flavour of the month with the rest of the Inquisition.

But fair enough.