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Technically, there are female necrons.


it's just that the C'tan put everyone into identical, gender neutral, politically correct metal bodies.

Grey Templar wrote:yeah, let us keep our Fraternities made up of buds n bros.

and lets face it, even IF GW made more female models it wouldn't bring more people in(specifically the female audience)

I love how people with sticks think they know what those without sticks want. My wife doesn't play because the Sisters of Battle look butch and are to expensive to collect. She is hoping they will look more feminine when they are released soon.

You bring up good points but every time I read one of your posts, I picture some 12 year old scared of girl cooties.

as you can see in my prifile i am not 12 years old.

i just want my marines to stay male.



I agree that the current SoB range is a litte exaggerated and hope for it to be more realistic in it's sculpts.

Grey Templar wrote:as you can see in my prifile i am not 12 years old.

i just want my marines to stay male.



I agree that the current SoB range is a litte exaggerated and hope for it to be more realistic in it's sculpts.

I know I was just picturing it. I guess it sounded a little offensive and for that I apologize. I guess the thing is, I just don't get the dislike of the possibility of female marines. It doesn't compute for me, probably the same way you have trouble processing their inclusion.

If you look at the GW universe, it looks like we have went backwards in time. Women are almost nonexistent and have no roles in the society of war. They talk about female IG, but I don't see them.

I get major slong fest vibes from the whole thing. Women probably account for less than 5% of the fluff, when we are outnumbered by them in today's society. I just don't work that way. I am all for women's rights. Call me whipped, but I have been happily married for 15 years.

Warhammer just feels like a Boys only club (hence the cooties comment). I picture moose clubs, boy scouts, biker gangs, all male presidents, and glass ceilings. Warhammer seems to reinforce the concepts of women inferiority, and if you feel that way, good luck getting a date.

But like you said, a better SOB range would go along ways. It would feel less like a boys only thing if they attempted to make them better.

Well, as of this post, it looks like 85% of respondents want an increased female ratio in 40k in one form or the other. So, to those saying it's a niche; not so sure that's true. Granted this is a miniscule fraction, a grain of sand of the beach of the interwebs, but still.

I for one would be happy with an add-on sprue of female cadians, another for catachans, and perhaps some bare-head female heads for headswaps.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:as you can see in my prifile i am not 12 years old.

i just want my marines to stay male.



I agree that the current SoB range is a litte exaggerated and hope for it to be more realistic in it's sculpts.

I know I was just picturing it. I guess it sounded a little offensive and for that I apologize. I guess the thing is, I just don't get the dislike of the possibility of female marines. It doesn't compute for me, probably the same way you have trouble processing their inclusion.

If you look at the GW universe, it looks like we have went backwards in time. Women are almost nonexistent and have no roles in the society of war. They talk about female IG, but I don't see them.

I get major slong fest vibes from the whole thing. Women probably account for less than 5% of the fluff, when we are outnumbered by them in today's society. I just don't work that way. I am all for women's rights. Call me whipped, but I have been happily married for 15 years.

Warhammer just feels like a Boys only club (hence the cooties comment). I picture moose clubs, boy scouts, biker gangs, all male presidents, and glass ceilings. Warhammer seems to reinforce the concepts of women inferiority, and if you feel that way, good luck getting a date.

But like you said, a better SOB range would go along ways. It would feel less like a boys only thing if they attempted to make them better.

if you read the Gaunts Ghosts or any other IG novel you will always have female characters.

most other books have secondary female characters.

Grey Templar wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:as you can see in my prifile i am not 12 years old.

i just want my marines to stay male.



I agree that the current SoB range is a litte exaggerated and hope for it to be more realistic in it's sculpts.

I know I was just picturing it. I guess it sounded a little offensive and for that I apologize. I guess the thing is, I just don't get the dislike of the possibility of female marines. It doesn't compute for me, probably the same way you have trouble processing their inclusion.

If you look at the GW universe, it looks like we have went backwards in time. Women are almost nonexistent and have no roles in the society of war. They talk about female IG, but I don't see them.

I get major slong fest vibes from the whole thing. Women probably account for less than 5% of the fluff, when we are outnumbered by them in today's society. I just don't work that way. I am all for women's rights. Call me whipped, but I have been happily married for 15 years.

Warhammer just feels like a Boys only club (hence the cooties comment). I picture moose clubs, boy scouts, biker gangs, all male presidents, and glass ceilings. Warhammer seems to reinforce the concepts of women inferiority, and if you feel that way, good luck getting a date.

But like you said, a better SOB range would go along ways. It would feel less like a boys only thing if they attempted to make them better.

if you read the Gaunts Ghosts or any other IG novel you will always have female characters.

most other books have secondary female characters.

True, but I don't like warhammer for the books. I like it for the models. If I told my wife that she could get her female minis through Guants Ghosts, she would laugh at me and look at me like I grew a third head.

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:I still have not heard why any of the female marine advocates are not complaining about no male models in the sisters of battle. Gender Inequality!!!! (that is 50% of the population being ignored)

I like that the sisters of battle are all female. But if we are so worried about gender inequality, why don't we push for men in the sisters of battle?

Actually, at one point in SoB history, there were, effectively, male sisters of battle, the Frateris Templars, who's gear and tactics SoB were derived from once the Frateris Templars were disbanded due to the Decree Passive. The only reason the SoB themselves still exist is due to a legal loophole.

Grey Templar wrote:it's unlikely that the 2 missing primarchs are female.

the basic desire to have symmetry would have mandated the Emperor creating 1/2 and 1/2 which he didn't.

besides, the Emperor basically cloned himself to make the Primarchs.


if 2 were female that would result in them having 2 identicle X chromosomes without significant alteration(not a problem with all the scientific alteration going on, but still an issue)

its simpler just to keep the primarchs male. one less step in the creation process as you don't have to off the bat fix certain problems.

Actually, that's incorrect, it would have been simpler to have them female. There are fewer steps, hormonally speaking, for something to go wrong, since humans default to female form if they have malformed receptors for testosterone.

Secondly, no, the Emperor DID NOT clone himself to make the primarchs. He (other people) genetically engineered them (for him) as supermen based off his own DNA. There is a BIG difference there.

Considering the variety of frankly wild and convoluted genetic alterations that the primarchs had, it's actually more surprising that one of them was not female.

Leigen_Zero wrote:

I think you are referring to fantasy orcs, AFAIK there were never female orks in 40K not even in RT days, it was always the spore thingy.

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On the subject of female marines. I've always thought the base concept of marines was that of a fraternity of warrior-monks, yes we could re-write the fluff and put females in there, but it would lose a lot of the base concept in the process, perhaps detracting from what makes space marines unique, and not just another generic sci-fi genetically modified super-solider.

Not entirely correct: originally 40k orks = WFB orks. They were identical, so logically, there would have been female orks the first time around, but we're heading into some seriously /TG/ terrain here.

And there have been, historically speaking, female sororities of warrior nuns.

Grey Templar wrote:
GW moved away from the "Fantesy in space" feeling because it was the right thing to do.

hence they axed the Squats and had the Zoats become extinct.

the result is a Sci-fi that is unique and has a very deep and engaging fluff.

It's not even close to Sci-Fi. 40k is still very much Fantasy in Space. What's really sad is it measured softer on the Sci-fi scale then Spelljammer does. Which had space ships propelled by giant space hamsters.

Let's stop and think: 40k space ships alone are impossible, they exist in defiance of Newton's laws of Motion AND everything humanity knows about structural stress, never mind the fantasy genetics that allow for space marines. Or the fact there are sorcerers running around that fry things with lightening.

Grey Templar wrote:

besides, SM usually recruit from Feral worlds which 95% of the time will not have females be the warrior class. it would be kinda odd to have SM show up and take a daughter to be a warrior from a society that doesn't do that sort of thing.
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fortunantly i see no evidence of GW changing the fluff to allow for Female marines any time soon.

So, you don't think them removing the thing about needing to be male from C:SM is a change?

Approx 20% of the Sarmatian 'warrior graves' on the lower Don and Volga contained women armed for combat. The Sarmatians as a culture existed from around the 6th century BC to around the 4th Century AD. A thousand year run when you're enemies included the Roman Empire and the Huns at the same time isn't bad. Many nordic cultures had similar practices. Unfortunately, the record is not clear just how common female warriors in primitive cultures are, however, your '95%' is likely incorrect. We can actually PROOVE higher rates then that, and accounts from other cultures of the period imply the rate was much higher.

Brutus notes the Lusitanian women "fighting and perishing in company with the men with such bravery that they uttered no cry even in the midst of slaughter" and the Bracari, a Celtic tribe from Gallaecia that the women "bearing arms with the men, who fought never turning, never showing their backs, or uttering a cry."

Marius in his campaign against the Cimbrians also notes that the women fought alongside the men, and then fought on after the men were all slain.

Boudica's army, it is suggested in Tacticus, was more women then men.

To me, this would suggest that your appraisal of 'feral' cultures is inaccurate.

Lore based continuity being the thing, I too think there should not be femarines per say. But they do need more female models in the line of products. Chief among those needed, especially with the advent of the Dawn of War games, is female Eldar Farseers and other aspects.

I would love to have at least a few female soldiers for imperial guard. Would add more variety.

I don't wanna see any females in 40k now, the grey knights might randomly slaughter them, defile there bodies and cover themseleves in there blood

So, standard practiCe for the GK still being maintained then

Grey Templar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post:

Grey Templar wrote:it's unlikely that the 2 missing primarchs are female.


the basic desire to have symmetry would have mandated the Emperor creating 1/2 and 1/2 which he didn't.

besides, the Emperor basically cloned himself to make the Primarchs.


if 2 were female that would result in them having 2 identicle X chromosomes without significant alteration(not a problem with all the scientific alteration going on, but still an issue)

its simpler just to keep the primarchs male. one less step in the creation process as you don't have to off the bat fix certain problems.

How do you know the Emporer wasn't XXY?

because he was born as a normal human and thats what he was physically.


after his psychic powers reemerged he waas capable of altering his appearence, but i doubt he would give himself a genetic disorder.

He wasn't born as a normal human. He was generated as the result of deliberate self-sacrifice by thousands of shamans in an attempt to make a superbeing.

For the Orks thing. There is no such thing as a female Ork.

As for everyone else I would have to say yes. Space Marines is a big NO NO! As there is no such thing as a female space marine but I.G, Inquisition and others would be fine.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post:

Grey Templar wrote:it's unlikely that the 2 missing primarchs are female.


the basic desire to have symmetry would have mandated the Emperor creating 1/2 and 1/2 which he didn't.

besides, the Emperor basically cloned himself to make the Primarchs.


if 2 were female that would result in them having 2 identicle X chromosomes without significant alteration(not a problem with all the scientific alteration going on, but still an issue)

its simpler just to keep the primarchs male. one less step in the creation process as you don't have to off the bat fix certain problems.

How do you know the Emporer wasn't XXY?

because he was born as a normal human and thats what he was physically.


after his psychic powers reemerged he waas capable of altering his appearence, but i doubt he would give himself a genetic disorder.

He wasn't born as a normal human. He was generated as the result of deliberate self-sacrifice by thousands of shamans in an attempt to make a superbeing.

his soul was created like that, but his body was just the offspring of some random parents in Anatolia. 100% human.

I just love how people can get so emphatic about treknobabble Or would that be 40knobabble

Given that the'ye basically doing the messiah bit, who's to say that he wasn't holy ghosted in there too as an embryo

I want to give another thumbs up to those have said there should be a conversion pack of female heads for imperial guard. That is a great idea.

Despite my defense of male only space marines, I would really love to see more female models. One of the better things about modern/future warfare is that gender does not matter as much as it did in pre-gun powder warfare. Anyone can pull a trigger, and frankly women tend to be more agile than men (speaking averages here).

I would love to see an all female army of Imperial Guard, with their own iconography and history etc. That would be really cool, especially if it wasn't the Swedish bikini team, but real looking female sculpts.

While I can see where people like to play around with the possibility of the lost 2 primarchs being female, It does not really jive with existing background (which has unfortunately proven to not be trustworthy since the last Necron codex) but if someone wanted to play me with their especially converted femarines army I would not complain, I would just enjoy the game.

For gaurd and witch hunters there defo should be, maybe some female psyker for them or some such and cultists not only need actual decent models but female ones to.

Cant really say for other armies, most seem to look androgynous, specially eldar and tau. As for ork females, whats the point orks reproduce by spores so male and females have no point. Necrons are the same neither male nor female.

Nids, look at bugs females tend to be larger and much more killy than males so the bigger nids would be female as they give birth and need to defend them self till they lay eggs, gaunts reproducing, just paint a few with slightly different colours to depict the varying sexes.

Sadly im with most here, GW would screw it up, skimpy clothes and stupid proportions. Military women aint the pornstar physique there fairly muscular and wouldnt have nice long hair and knee high boots lol.

I think some female models would be a good thing, but only in armies where it would make sense. You're probably not gonna see any girls in the SM chapters or CSM. But it could be done well with Eldar and DE, which is already has. IG could have some more female models for sure, its not like on a military planet ONLY the men are all at war and the women are at home making stew and rearing 5 babies. Im sure there are tons of female guard.

/me decides to make a counts-as-Grey-Knights army consisting entirely of psychic schoolgirls.

themocaw wrote:/me decides to make a counts-as-Grey-Knights army consisting entirely of psychic schoolgirls.

With Samurai swords?

The sad part is, it's not that much different from how things are...

"Now, Abaddon, one shall stand, and one shall fall!' - Optimus Prime, Dreadknight

If ytou want to play an anime army, play tau

Use tau with the GK codex as counts as.. that would be awesome...

wargaming seems to be pretty male dominated, the only female i've ever seen in GW is my girlfriend who stands next to me as i get into a deep conversation with on of the staff, tapping her foot and tutting trying to get my attention cos she's bored. However she actually enjoys the hobby, she gives paining a go and i think she would enjoy the feel of some strong female leads poss to the point of starting an army.

yes we have witch hunters but so few models are available and i NEVER see anyone playing them or the models in GW. Advertise to the ladies GW, come on!!

As 4 citadel ruining the models, think they would have to try harder if the idea where to take off and not make them a contender for sexism lawsuits.

Ascalam wrote:If ytou want to play an anime army, play tau

Use tau with the GK codex as counts as.. that would be awesome...

I dunno, with all these not-Gundams that the GKs are driving around these days...

I should point out, I think, I'm not a proponent of every race being integrated. Specifically not Orks. Orks don't need females because they aren't even male, technically; they likely lack sexual organs of any kind, yes? I prefer them as they are; a fungoid-based biological weapon.

I don't know nearly anything about Tau. Are there female members of the fire caste?

yes there are.

all Fire Caste members are warriors. Male and Female.

in the Ultramarine omnibus, the T'au PoW captured is a female, but the Space Marines can only really tell by the faint scent and a slight vocal difference.

Idea: they could do something similar to the "command vehicle sprue"; that is, make an upgrade sprue that comes with several female heads for several races. You'd need 5 or so imperial guard, 5 eldar, 5 tau(this one's a maybe, as the only female model of a tau has a different head, but it's hard to know if this is across the board), ect. Most races have face or most-of-head covering helmets, so you'd only need these heads for sergeants. And then GW would only have to make one sprue to appeal to a wide range of people who enjoy the painting & modeling section of the hobby. I mean, if they can make a sprue of random parts to slap on your tanks, then why not this?

Yes, Yes, and again Yes. GW needs to add female models to existing lines where applicable with fluff, the one that stands out the most is the IG.

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:I still have not heard why any of the female marine advocates are not complaining about no male models in the sisters of battle. Gender Inequality!!!! (that is 50% of the population being ignored)

I like that the sisters of battle are all female. But if we are so worried about gender inequality, why don't we push for men in the sisters of battle?

Using the current Sisters of Battle (Witch Hunter) codex, I was able to build a 1500 point force that did not have a single female model. Just fyi.

Yes for Imperial Guard, Tau and others. Eldar and Dark Eldar already have a lot of female models. That said, there are no female Tyranids, Space Marines, Necrons and Orks and never will be. But, yes I think they should, my sister might play more is she could get more female Guardsmen (She has five).