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Ouze wrote:

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:I still have not heard why any of the female marine advocates are not complaining about no male models in the sisters of battle. Gender Inequality!!!! (that is 50% of the population being ignored)

I like that the sisters of battle are all female. But if we are so worried about gender inequality, why don't we push for men in the sisters of battle?

Using the current Sisters of Battle (Witch Hunter) codex, I was able to build a 1500 point force that did not have a single female model. Just fyi.

because you used ISTs and that doesn't count.


we demand male SoBs.

frilly PA and bolters all

Grey Templar wrote:

Ouze wrote:

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:I still have not heard why any of the female marine advocates are not complaining about no male models in the sisters of battle. Gender Inequality!!!! (that is 50% of the population being ignored)

I like that the sisters of battle are all female. But if we are so worried about gender inequality, why don't we push for men in the sisters of battle?

Using the current Sisters of Battle (Witch Hunter) codex, I was able to build a 1500 point force that did not have a single female model. Just fyi.

because you used ISTs and that doesn't count.

Sorry, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the screeching noise the goalpost made when you moved it.

BaronIveagh wrote:

themocaw wrote:/me decides to make a counts-as-Grey-Knights army consisting entirely of psychic schoolgirls.

With Samurai swords?

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/anime/latest/50176
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/anime/latest/50024

I could probably get some Legion of Everblight claymores or greatswords to use as NFW.

More like this (Hasslefree)

I bought her for a Venomthrope diorama

Ouze wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Ouze wrote:

Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:I still have not heard why any of the female marine advocates are not complaining about no male models in the sisters of battle. Gender Inequality!!!! (that is 50% of the population being ignored)

I like that the sisters of battle are all female. But if we are so worried about gender inequality, why don't we push for men in the sisters of battle?

Using the current Sisters of Battle (Witch Hunter) codex, I was able to build a 1500 point force that did not have a single female model. Just fyi.

because you used ISTs and that doesn't count.

Sorry, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the screeching noise the goalpost made when you moved it.

I was moving it BACK to where it belongs

but seriously, you couldn't have had an all male SoB army.

an all male Witch Hunter army yeah. using ISTs and Inquisitors.

Grey Templar wrote:

I was moving it BACK to where it belongs

but seriously, you couldn't have had an all male SoB army.

an all male Witch Hunter army yeah. using ISTs and Inquisitors.

Again, since you keep dodging the answer, you could have an all male SoB army if it was set during, or just previous to, the Age of Apostasy.

ok True, but then it would be 'counts as' and wouldn't be SoB on a fluff standard

Grey Templar wrote:ok True, but then it would be 'counts as' and wouldn't be SoB on a fluff standard

True, since SoB had a different name at that time.

Personally, I think the reason that most people don't question is is that the reason given makes some sense. (That they exist as they currently stand, based on a legal loophole.) How to put this: All female SoB has a reason that makes sense in a real world frame of reference. The all male space marine's reason is in defiance of a real world frame of reference.

Part of the problem is that 40k is fantasy thinly disguised as Sci-Fi. People who see it as a sci-fi universe expect it to behave in a sci-fi manner, in that science, or what passes for it, follows the same basic rules as the real world.

Grey Templar wrote:... ... ...

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but seriously, you couldn't have had an all male SoB army.

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Yes, you could. I invented them last year -- the Monks of Mayhem -- then I found out that until M35 or something, there was a "real" Monks of Mayhem army (it wasn't called that), and it was dissolved and replaced with the Sisters of Battle due to political reasons.

So it is entirely possible to make an all male SoB army.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:... ... ...

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but seriously, you couldn't have had an all male SoB army.

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Yes, you could. I invented them last year -- the Monks of Mayhem -- then I found out that until M35 or something, there was a "real" Monks of Mayhem army (it wasn't called that), and it was dissolved and replaced with the Sisters of Battle due to political reasons.

So it is entirely possible to make an all male SoB army.

So we just need KK to "invent" whatever type of army we want.....

to bad KK didn't provide us with pics ...
or an article "how to create an army ignoring the lack of support for your idea in the background and also defend your idea against any
disagreement by calling the background invalid".

Maybe this not-female-sisters were not called sisters because they weren't female? Maybe and just maybe, it is beneficial to spare the few
believable pieces of background before GW sacrifices their whole 40kverse on the altar of M.W.' s codex design process.
Is it such a big deal if a certain army ,which isn't the most numerous at estimated 1k x 1k , does not include females?
You still get to field as many females as you want as part of an army of bazillions of Human beeings.

Plus, anything named "sister" should hint at the gender, like "brother" does....

Eldar has plenty of female models!

Have you ever "sexed" a guardian? Its really fun, if you look really close, some of them are actually girls (about 2 in every box of 10 or so). The front of their armor is different, but when you put them on the table you can't really tell because its blocked by their gun. However if you peer down between their head and gun, you can definitely tell which ones are boys and which ones are females.

also banshees, but thats a bit more obvious. Interestingly there should be male Banshees, even though they are mostly female- remember that every Autarch toting a power weapon at one point walked the path of the Banshee!

The moral of the story- if you want to play an equal opporunity employer army- play Eldar

akaean wrote:Eldar has plenty of female models!

The moral of the story- if you want to play an equal opporunity employer army- play Eldar

Ture, but GW really droped the ball when it comes to the IG. In the fluff you see plenty of female IG fighting. Unfortunately when it comes to the models themselves there is not a single female IG model in the most current line up for that army (with the exemption of the classic collectors sets like the Last chancers and Gants Ghosts). Where it really should be more like the eldar where approximately every 1 in 5 models is female.

akaean wrote:Eldar has plenty of female models!

Have you ever "sexed" a guardian? Its really fun, if you look really close, some of them are actually girls (about 2 in every box of 10 or so). The front of their armor is different, but when you put them on the table you can't really tell because its blocked by their gun. However if you peer down between their head and gun, you can definitely tell which ones are boys and which ones are females.

also banshees, but thats a bit more obvious. Interestingly there should be male Banshees, even though they are mostly female- remember that every Autarch toting a power weapon at one point walked the path of the Banshee!

The moral of the story- if you want to play an equal opporunity employer army- play Eldar

Yes, Eldar and (recent) Dark Eldar are, IMO, the only armies that are getting it right so far, inasmuch as not only do they have females, when wearing body armor it's difficult to even tell. Less so with the DE. More importantly (to me), the females aren't ridiculous looking, with giant boobs and such; they are dressed equivalently to how the males dress.

Going off on a tangent, I really appreciate how nuanced and troll-free this thread has gone so far. When the topic of female marines came up, to be frank, I wasn't sure it could happen.

Ouze wrote:

Going off on a tangent, I really appreciate how nuanced and troll-free this thread has gone so far. When the topic of female marines came up, to be frank, I wasn't sure it could happen.

I've generally found there are certain people that like to troll this subject, and only one of them appeared early on, before that particular item came up.

Personally, I've been enjoying us having a troll free discussion of the matter (for once) and would like to see this pattern continue.

Though, In all honesty, the new Codex: Grey Knights has shocked a lot of people in the 'fluff first' camp, so they may be distracted at the moment. After all, femmarines are far less canon breaking then Grey Knights that bathe in blood and burn down the garden of nurgle.

Yes, if anything: on female marines, we can compromise.

On Grey Knights slaughtering innocent Sister of Battle so they could wear their blood: purge the heresy

It may make me a horrible person, but I want space sluts >.>

guiltl3ss wrote:It may make me a horrible person, but I want space sluts >.>

69% of the poll agrees with you, how cool is that?

Not bad ^^. Something tasteful tho. Tasteful Space Sluts...for my Guard, of course.

I think it would be more interesting if there was more female miniatures for SM, IG, Tau, and Eldar, for chaos the end result would probably look very disturbing maybe and I don't want to even talk about the orks.

avondale wrote:I think it would be more interesting if there was more female miniatures for SM, IG, Tau, and Eldar, for chaos the end result would probably look very disturbing maybe and I don't want to even talk about the orks.

I thought that Chaos is supposed to look disturbing....? Gender is a very vague notion with some of them anyway....

fox-light713 wrote:Ture, but GW really droped the ball when it comes to the IG. In the fluff you see plenty of female IG fighting. Unfortunately when it comes to the models themselves there is not a single female IG model in the most current line up for that army (with the exemption of the classic collectors sets like the Last chancers and Gants Ghosts). Where it really should be more like the eldar where approximately every 1 in 5 models is female.

Definitely more female Guard please. For all their representation in the background, they're basically missing from the model range.

I had in mind a conversion project to tie in with the lead characters of some fiction I'm working on, but essentially I can't get decent female models to do it with. I did look at Hasslefree etc, but they were a bit glamour for the characters I have. (Who are not very glamour at all, being a bit on the skinny side.)

hmm well I voted no.1 (wont suprise anyone who knows me)

Amongst my consdierable collection I have pretty much all the female human models made for 40K including

Original Imperial Army (now Guard) soldiers (in and out of power armour) wielding wepaons from lasgun to autocannon (singlehanded)
Schaffers last Chancers figures
Female Tanith
Escher Gangers (about 35 of them)
Female Inqusitor

I would like some more - esp of those already mentioned in fluff - some of Valhalan ladies (who vary hugely in physical appearance) and Regina and Amberley would be wonderful as I am a big C.Caine fan, although we have them in other IG novels as well. A few Tanith Snipers would be great.....

There are plenty of gaps for more female humans - Imperial Navy and Staff Officers for instance

Unsuprisingly I am very happy with the new Dark Eldar range looking forward to some more or simliar quality from GW for the Eldar and Tau (Shadowsun is a start)- although I agree they are likely harder to spot the diffrences (a bit like Kroot?) Perhaps we will get to see what the Nicasar look like?

An couple of Ogryn would be fun

I am not myself wanting female marines, Orks

Happy to see a "female" Necron special character - the Lords retain varying degrees of personality.

A Norn Queen may be a BIG model

Mr Morden wrote:hmm well I voted no.1 (wont suprise anyone who knows me)

Amongst my consdierable collection I have pretty much all the female human models made for 40K including

Original Imperial Army (now Guard) soldiers (in and out of power armour) wielding wepaons from lasgun to autocannon (singlehanded)
Schaffers last Chancers figures
Female Tanith
Escher Gangers (about 35 of them)
Female Inqusitor

You don't have the female catachan with grenade launcher? (then again, I'm missing rocket girl from Last Chancers)


He, I'd like to see the option, even if it was someone like Chapterhouse putting out bits other then head swaps, since their existing line of female head swaps is awful, for Sm and IG. Though just for the amusement of certain people, a buxom tau on a bikini would be hilarious.

avondale wrote:I think it would be more interesting if there was more female miniatures for SM, IG, Tau, and Eldar, for chaos the end result would probably look very disturbing maybe and I don't want to even talk about the orks.

Orks dont have gender in 40k.

They are fungus that reproduces from emitting spores passively and when they die.

Lord Scythican wrote:Okay I admit. I want me some female orks...


There should be female space marines. Heck the two lost chapters could be all female, which is why they were removed from history. HA!

Behold...the reason your stupid to want those.




Why?

Because they exist and are ugly as sin...actually maybe I should had used the word Ignorant. It rather implies that you have not been educated on the ugliness of Female Orks.

Why oh why did you have to repost that pic?!?

Also that is an Orc, not an Ork, cause there are no female Orks.

Also also, why did you repost that pic?!?

I wondered how long before someone had to try and troll the thread by breaking it out. We made it onto page six, so that's pretty good for the subject and avoiding having some troll pop on.

avondale wrote:I think it would be more interesting if there was more female miniatures for SM, IG, Tau, and Eldar, for chaos the end result would probably look very disturbing maybe and I don't want to even talk about the orks.

A female space marine would look exactly like a male one, and considering they're the single smallest, most insignificant faction in 40K (under a million of them at all times, each the equivalent of twelve normal humans, thus amounting to well under a millionth of the total strength of the Guard...), why make them take female recruits too? It's not like there's any shortage of potential candidates to meet their extremely small demands for recruits.

IG, yes.

Tau, there probably already are. They're just noseless fish aliens in full body armor, so you can't tell.

Eldar, there most definitely are female models, especially in the new DE.

Part of the problem is that, supposedly, space marines are the best. When looking for the best, why limit your pool of candidates? I've seen more then a few occasions where a female actually out performed her male rivals for a position.

The process of making a beakie only works on adolescent males (their target demographic!), so you don't get beakies-with-boobs.

I could never understand why people even wanted female beakies. I assume it's a fetish?