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Definitely would stick to high powered weapons. 4+ invo is still going to fail half the time, and his high toughness is going to eat up dakka weapons (burst cannon). Also good is good old fashioned Pulse rifles.

T5 isn't the end of the world when your rapid firing shots that wound on 4.

What about when Lash is involved? range can often demolish crisis suits before they get to shoot back

mY personal favourite hardpoint loadout is plasma rifle, missile pod, and shield gererator, my shas'o has been saved countless times by his shield generator so i would say it's definatly worth the cost.

*nodding* yeah suits are often let down by a lack of invulny, and shiled drones are WAY to fragile

Shield drones, IMO, are more effective. You get 2 for 5 more points than the shield drone, that let you allocate wounds across them, and eat those nasty shots so that your commander can live.

Sure but the shiled drones are one wound critters that get wiped

why not throw some marker drones in their and make ur suits more effective

You can only have two drones and really, with marker drones already stupid pricing the last thing you need is a 30pt would taker. Even gun drones at 10pts are less effective apparently.

*shrug* I just know that markerlights are one of the most annoying sodding jammy bits of wargear i know of, at 30 points they are well underpriced for what they do, I would happily buy them at 45 and still gain out of the bargain

O come on. their not that good. at 45 I could get a whole extra suit and do evenmore damage, even if it only used one weapon

Sure, but lets say the thing that suit was shooting had a cover save, and that save ignored the shooting of the suits weapons

if you had taken the marker drone then that cover save could have been reduced, maybe enough to have that model die, perhaps enough to tip a leadership check and the squad runs away

of course you could say that not all madels are going to have a cover save, or what if the cover save failed

i say, sure what if the cover save failed? then congrats the system worked, what if you missed tho? an extra point of BS could have made the difference between a miss and a hit.

and thats on the squad, not only does that one suit get the upgrade, but so do all of his mates,

and additionally the drone only costs 30 points and so its more effective than a suit and its cheaper

I would rather take a gun than a gun scope into battle. Im not going to kill anything with just a scope.

The things arnt even networked are they?

*Shrug*

Your sniper rifle is no good if you cant see your target

niether is good without the other mate

and so what if they arnt networked, its no real issue

And still, a shield drone could save you for a turn letting you dubble the firepower directed at your opponent and a small 17% increace in accuracy. and thats only if the thing hits!
BS3 sucks

and S drones are only 20pts. I cant see why you would take one if you can get shield drones, and if you get drones at all.

weve both seen Evaelc take Five shield drones in a squad, switch that a round and thats 5 marker drones, at 150 points, sure that sounds like a bad deal, but believe you me, ive been fiddling with some lists and i can make one im confident with and thats before touching my elites slots, and in a 2000 points list with 1500 used, im sure you could take the time to by those 150 points of maker lights, personally i would be using them to deepstrike down and flick marker lights on a tank and then pound it with my railguns, while the rest of the squad fires at something else with (I think) Multi trackers?

Sounds good, as long as you get everything in their. Suits, HS, HQ, Troops. Adds up fast.

Sure

couple of squads of FW in Devil fishes

couple of broadside squads, pihrana's

and a hammerhead if im feeling lucky

then an HQ with the Marker drones in his squad

any extra points would go into more troops and potentially crisis suits

A little question: are these suits real? Because they arent in the codex

nocturne's wrath wrote: A little question: are these suits real? Because they arent in the codex

They're just names for different Crisis Suit loadouts.

Impressive work lad.

As a Tau player i can certainly appreciate this.

This thread has been bookmarked

I shall definately try the dakkasuit (Can't remember the name: BC and PR loadout), since my fireknives always seem a bit underpowered in the number of shots needed to wipe MEQs.
(Side Note and a bit OT: I didn't know the official name for the Deathrain loadout before, and just called it a "Party Popper" )

As for the Shield Drone vs Marker Drone Debate, I've only heard of one acceptable use for them: In a squad of stealthsuits, taking advantadge of the stealth fields and basically making it an expensive and fewer-shot version of Pathfinders, but with the security of the stealth fields reducing fire.
Otherwise, it's 2x the cost of a shield drone (30 pts vs 15), for not that much of a bonus (30 pts for a networked markerlight that hits 50% of the time). Shield Drones are solid gold for wound allocation, especially vs opponnents with a plethora of the S8+ ID weapons (*cough* IMPERIUM *cough*). The Gun Drones, while cheaper, can't take the AP4 or less shots, and basically force a Ld check waaay easier.
I personally run each crisis squad with a single Shield Drone (not enough pts for more than that), and while losing it sucks for forcing a 25% check, I'd much rather lose the wound on something that has a 50-50 chance to save it, and costs 15 pts as oppossed to a fireknife's 70, than a 30 pt drone that WILL die and costs half the points of the model controlling it.
The markerlight itself is nice, but for 30 pts you could add 2 pathfinders (So 1 markerlight instead of 1/2) with change, or a pair of shield drones that will add boatloads of surviveability to your suits. If you're going to add things that are better served by other units, why not give your FW EMP grenades and attach an Ethereal on to make a Fearless "Tank Hunter" unit...

(now speaking from my chaos point of view) Ive pretty much found that wasting my long range Ap3+/S8+ shooting at suits is a waste of time and can be better used on wiping DF's and HH's of the board. Also i tend to run a pair of Daemon princes so the shield drones often dont help as i spam to many hits for the drones to cope with and the suits at the back are forced to take wounds, more often than not i kill the suits without the drones making a save and thier points are wasted. If he had used Marker drones then he could very well have killed one or both of the princes before they got in range

I personally am unfamiliar with the weapon profile for the Princes, but unless you're spamming S8 Ap3 or better hits, the 3+Sv, 2W profile of a suit usually survives decently long, especially when aided by an invul save shield drone to take the S8 and/or AP3 hits.

While I commend you on being one of the few players who knows it's better to shoot the D-fish before targeting the suits, the suits are still the main dakkaforce of the Tau army, and the loss of any of them hurts for a Tau player. True, the +1 to hit may have helped them slightly, but if the suits are aiming for a daemon prince, a pair of fireknives will eat a daemon prince in only a turn or two even without the extra single markerlight.

Honestly, if he's on the board (The Prince), make no mistake, he will be a high target (especially with the whip), but at that point you just point a Pathfinder squad at them and get 3 or 4 markerlight hits for about 2x the cost of the drone (and his 0.5 markerlights). The markerlight drone is simply not a cost-effective choice for 90% of all Tau tactical scenarios.

Yea. The prince is a real nightmare. In dow, you can get first turn assaults easy; he has about a 30" threat range. Basically, if you’re in PR range, your toast if you don’t kill him.

Remember the other day. You tabled my entire 2k army with just your daemon prince and a squad of termies in land raider.
5 turns of railguns into the thing and i dident even pen it once.

Ledabot wrote:5 turns of railguns into the thing and i dident even pen it once.

^^ All 2s and 3s for pen rolls despite hitting every time, I'd bet. The followed by for my railguns has made me want to demote them to FW more than once... :/

My land raider has never been killed by tau

Ever

anyhoo

The DP is ws 7 s6 t5 i7 A4(5 on the charge)(the way i run him)
warptime (Reroll to hit to wound in cc)

two of these mofo's are quite capable of taking out 3-5 models in a Crysis suit team in one turn

Two terminators can wipe a crisis suit squad. Hell, a pair of vanilla marines probably could tag a wound or two on the charge. All tau, crisis suits included, are made for dakka, not smasha. If you're nailing Tau in CC, that means either he screwed up or got gak dice luck for shooting you up in the previous turns.

No it just means that DP's are one of the fastest nastiest anti infantry units in the game and Crysis suits are better of not bothering with Shield drones when going up against chaos because its a waste of points

...

I have played against daemon princes on several occasions, and even with 2 turns of rolling snake eyes, still managed to smear them easily. Not saying they're a crap unit by any stretch of imagination, but if my shield drone takes a krak missile or lascannon from an obliterator instead of my crisis suit, it was worth every penny.
Feel free to try playing Tau, and innundate yourself with Marker Drones. I hope I get to play against that army...

Im one of those different people who doesnt take obliterators, loves dakka predators and is convinced that rail rifles and ion cannons are good

They would be if current cover rules weren't extremely forgiving. Otherwise, Rail Rifles and Ion cannons would be an excellent alternative to Fireknives for killing MEQs. As-is, however, not so much. One day, though, they'll hopefully rock ass again, and I can dust them off and bring them back into a viable list.


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And I personally believe a dakka predator fills the role of an obliterater waaay better.