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*Nods* I know exactly what you mean, and to be honest i find ionheads far more efficient HS choices for anti nid work than anything else Tau can take

(Getting OT, but...) Hmmm. If I knew what type of nid swarm I was fighting (Horde or big bugs), that'd be the deciding factor between ionheads and railheads, since the submunition shot is the only really effective pie plate (and, iirc, the only one outside of the AFL or the Failsafe Detonator), but would be far less effective vs a MC (which would have a hell of a time getting the pesky 4+ cover vs the ion cannon shots). In that case, the Burst Cannon/flamer combo for suits would be nice, but probably more efficiently served by boatloads of FW in any case for sheer volume of dakka to mince the swarms or overwhelm the bigger bugs(Yay for wounding on a 4/5+!)

To be honest i would have to say that a fire warrior spam with a few Ion heads with some pathfinders to sap down on the cover save they always seem to take would be best

Agreed. Pathfinders are basically a prerequisite for FW spam. If only they'd remove the need for the damn clunky D-fish... :(

no no no

dont by a DF for the fire warriors, then with the pathfinder scout move you can take them out and start of the game you put the fire warriors in

I buy one if you dont have some from your pathfinders.

Prerequisite for D-fish meaning the pathfinder one, not for FW spam.

Anyhow, back to topic: Does anyone have a particularly treasured Commander loadout for his suit? What about particular tactics to go along with it?

I personally am champing at the bit to try Farsight and 7 Flamer/burst cannon suits and DS them into the middle of a horde army or something (That could turn out horribly however...)

darkPrince010 wrote:Prerequisite for D-fish meaning the pathfinder one, not for FW spam.

Anyhow, back to topic: Does anyone have a particularly treasured Commander loadout for his suit? What about particular tactics to go along with it?

I personally am champing at the bit to try Farsight and 7 Flamer/burst cannon suits and DS them into the middle of a horde army or something (That could trun out horribly however...)

I am really partial to the Centurion build (PR + CIB) along with 2 Fireknife Bodyguards. Makes them efficient anti-heavy infantry.

How well does the CIB work for you? It always seemed like an underpowered, overcosted BC with rending imho, but I may give it a shot eventually if it's not complete rubbish (AFL, anyone )

Its not even good rending. If it had rending it could damage AV11. But it just gives it Ap1...

Rant over.
I use a PR, MP, AFP combo. The AFP sort of does the same thing as a Burst cannon but you get to play with a pie plate too! Bit expensive though at 20pts.
So were both guilty of using overpriced wargear...

Sure the CIB cant damage vehicles, but really? if your using an anti infantry weapon to kill tanks then theres something desperatly wrong anyway. That thing can kill a monstrous creature with ease on the rending side of things and you say its not good rending? My DP would be scared of that thing if it ever got in range

Well, you can usually find 10-20 pts lying around after making a Tau list, so splurging a bit on something fun isn't nessesarily a bad thing (One day, I shall give my a Shas'o an ejection system. one day...)

darkPrince010 wrote:How well does the CIB work for you? It always seemed like an underpowered, overcosted BC with rending imho, but I may give it a shot eventually if it's not complete rubbish (AFL, anyone )

Honestly, it depends on how well I roll 6's that day. Of course, the CIB destroys Dark Eldar, Imperial Guard, and other T3 models because of the high rate of fire.

Hmmm. I may have to give that a try someday. That and Iridium Armor on a shooty commander.

darkPrince010 wrote:Hmmm. I may have to give that a try someday. That and Iridium Armor on a shooty commander.

I like Iridium Armor because it boosts the saves on Shield Drones to 2+ as well. An 'El with Iridium armor and a pair of 2+ shield drones can join a squad and eat krak missiles for lunch. If you really need to get away with the rest of the squad, the Iridium armor 'el can leave the squad and move in a different direction, hopefully keeping one of the two alive to shoot another round.

That's an awesome idea. I was always hesitant about the reduced JSJ from the armor, but I guess splitting him off would work great (Hell, throw in FnP's stimulant injector, and you could probably take anything that doesn't have the word "Power" in it )

Marta. the CIB is s3, it's only going to wound a carnifex on 6s and i get ap1, that seems like a bad deal.

I liked iridum armor before everyone started to run my commander into the ground. Why does everyone i play have power weapons?

carnifex's arnt the only monstrous creatures ledabot
greater Daemons? hive tyrant? etc etc

and everyone plays power weapons around our haunt because they are so frelling effective

oh hey you up for a 2 v 2 at mine this coming sunday/monday? call jiv see if hes interested if you are and ill talk to Josh

Marta, ill pm u.

And yes i know about other monsterus creatures but they still remain at t5 and above, still needing 6s to wound. not worth it.

mkay
still found them effective in simulations

but whatevs i dont really mind tbh considering that the only MC i ever use is the DP

Per my own calculations as well as those by Cottonjaw, the CiB is pretty much more efficient than any other weapon you can drop on a suite. Hard to argue with Math.

Thanks for the vindication mate

Now you see my point ledabot?

In situations where the Burst Cannon (The most efficient weapon in our arsenal) is denying armor save, the Burst Cannon is marginally more effective, and marginally more efficient.

In situations where the CiB's wounding on at least a 5, the CIB is marginally more effective, and about as efficient.

In nearly every other situation, the CIB ever so slightly more effective and efficient.


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Oh, and it should be noted that you truely don't need to worry TOO much about efficiency until you are splitting point hairs, to try and squeak out that last bit of effectiveness from your list.

Efficiency is especially helpful in low point cost games.

*Shrug* By and by large im just trying to put my two cents worth in and get an overall feel for whats nastier, im a chaos player at heart and that isnt changing

Does the cib really do more than twice the damage of the burst cannon. holy smoke! I do hold a gruge against it for the somewhat less effective version of rending that it has.

Plasma is forever the best weapon, right?

Ledabot wrote:Does the cib really do more than twice the damage of the burst cannon. holy smoke! I do hold a gruge against it for the somewhat less effective version of rending that it has.

Plasma is forever the best weapon, right?

The plasma rifle is the anti-infantry weapon hands down. The burst cannon is only better in situations where it's ignoring armor (Orks, Guardsmen) or where the plasma rifle has to face a save better than 4+ (Stormshield).

Making Plasma Rifle + Burst Cannon absolutely the most effective and efficient killer of infantry that you can field.

If you could field TWO of a gun, instead of twin linking.... then things would get interesting. Namely, I would probably be running around with Plas/Plas suits. Especially since it don't get hot.

Meh personally for me it would Be Cib Plasma, Good versus the midgits and the biguns and everything in between