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Contrary to what has been said, Necrons are not that bad. I've seen Necrons own the battle field on a number of occasions.

Ok here's my eldar list, called flamermeat

HQ:
Autarch: reaper launcher, Warp Generator (120)

Troops:
Pathfinders [10] 240
Pathfinders [10] 240
Pathfinders [10] 240
Storm Guardians [20] 160

Total: 1000

They will literally lose to 1 Land Raider.

HQ
- warboss (PK, BP, 'eavy' TL shoota, cybork) --110

TROOPS
- Gretchins x 30 (runtherd x 3) - 120
- Ork boyz X 30 ('ardboyz, Nob w/ PK n' BP n' 'eavy) - 345

FAST ATTACKS
- 5 DeffKopta (TL Rokkits) -- 225

ELITES
- Nobz x 10 --200

TOTAL : 1000 pts


A couple of templates, or a hail of fire and this army will be ded b4 it gets in CC
The deff kopta will run after 2 loses.
'ard boyz might be somewhat good but they will get wittled down and eb forced to take a leadership test quite fast

Problem with that Ork list is that the individual units are still quite hard. Better one (or rather, worse):

Warboss: Big Choppa, 'eavy armour, bosspole, ammo runt, kombi-weapon - 83

Big Mek: Kustom Mega-blasta, Ammor runt, bosspole, attack squig, 3 grot oilers-88

3 Nobs, all with Big Choppa, 'eavy armour, bosspole, Waaagh! banner, ammo runt, stikkbombz - 162

3 Nobs, all with Big Choppa, 'eavy armour, bosspole, Waaagh! banner, ammo runt, stikkbombz - 162

3 Nobs, all with Big Choppa, 'eavy armour, bosspole, Waaagh! banner, ammo runt, stikkbombz - 162

30 'ard Boyz with Stikkbombs, 1 Big Shoota - 335 points.

Total: 994 points. min-sized non-differentiated nobz, overly expensive boyz, and Warboss and Big Mek with the worst wargear options they can have, aside from going vanilla.

Anvildude wrote:Problem with that Ork list is that the individual units are still quite hard. Better one (or rather, worse):

man you are right, pk nob and pk warboss has become an habbit when I use them, didnt even think about it, lol

Here is even worst:
THE RUNNING WAAAAAAAAGH (towards, or away from the ennemy, you decide)
HQ
- Warboss Warboss: Big CHoppa, 'eavy armor, attack squid -- 85 (if I remember correctly, attacks squid si 15 points right?)

- Big Mek: Kustom Mega-blasta, 'eavy armor - 75

TROOPS
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 10 boyz -- 60 points

ELITES
-3 Nob --60
-3 Nob --60
-3 Bob --60

FASTATTACKS
- 3 Deffkopta (TL Rokkit) -- 135
- 3 Deff Kopta (Tl Rokkit) -- 135


so basically, all the units will run if they take a casualty(not run but take a LD Test, which pretty much equals running. Any vehicles will tore that army to pieces (ok there are deffkoptas, BUT, if they take 1 casualty, they run, should not be so hard to do ,lol)

1x GK champion 100

2x techmarine 330
orbital bombardment
conversion beam
psybolt ammo

5x GK 165
1x incinerator
psybolt
warding stave

5x GK 165
1x incinerator
psybolt
warding stave

1x dreadknight 240
personal teleporter
heavy psilencer

Total 1000

Now thats one bad Gk army LOL however, if it gets the first turn it might actully do some damage LOL

FlingitNow wrote:

That's because Aun'va would add to the offensive capability of this list, honor guard and all

Really though, which is worse:

A) Chance that about 1/4 your units will run away

or

B) Absolutely no ability to kill nada

I'd go with B

Its a 3rd at least of your army, plus he makes your army stubborn and can only kill some things in CC.

So its:

A) Small CC ability, but makes all your other units into nice fluffy pillows for your opponent to hug and makes a 3rd of your army run away when he dies.

B) Smaller CC ability, no other down side.

But yeah your suit configs are pretty ace. Though you forgot to take pulse carbines on the Fire warriors.

The rifle is better. Much, much better.

Ooh, GK list. Good idea.

Coteaz - 100

12x Banisher - 180
12x Banisher - 180
12x Banisher - 180
12x Banisher - 180
12x Banisher - 180

All laspistols (+ CYBER EAGLE!). 15 point guardsmen that have two attacks. Even their hate for daemons probably won't save them.

(Yes yes, there's talk about them not counting toward minimum. Just run with it and don't start a rules argument)

Serder wrote:

Anvildude wrote:Problem with that Ork list is that the individual units are still quite hard. Better one (or rather, worse):

man you are right, pk nob and pk warboss has become an habbit when I use them, didnt even think about it, lol

Here is even worst:
THE RUNNING WAAAAAAAAGH (towards, or away from the ennemy, you decide)
HQ
- Warboss Warboss: Big CHoppa, 'eavy armor, attack squid -- 85 (if I remember correctly, attacks squid si 15 points right?)

- Big Mek: Kustom Mega-blasta, 'eavy armor - 75

TROOPS
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 11 boyz -- 66 points
- 10 boyz -- 60 points

ELITES
-3 Nob --60
-3 Nob --60
-3 Bob --60

FASTATTACKS
- 3 Deffkopta (TL Rokkit) -- 135
- 3 Deff Kopta (Tl Rokkit) -- 135


so basically, all the units will run if they take a casualty(not run but take a LD Test, which pretty much equals running. Any vehicles will tore that army to pieces (ok there are deffkoptas, BUT, if they take 1 casualty, they run, should not be so hard to do ,lol)

Could put Stikkbombs on the boyz and nobs, for, what, 3 points per nob squad, and 11 more points per boyz squad? Then you'd be able to take off that 10 strong mob! And if you're going to take Deffkoptas, take them with KMBs. Cheaper, yes (maybe enough for one more kopta?) but it only gets a single shot, and has a chance of wounding the Kopta as well.

[HQ]

Haemonculus (totally unupgraded)

[ELITES]

Mandrakes x10

Mandrakes x10

Mandrakes x6

[Troops]

Wyches x5

Wyches x5

Wyches x5

Wyches x5

Wyches x5

Wyches x5

[FAST ATTACK]

Hellions x5

Hellions x5

Hellions x5

HQ

Nightbringer - 360 pts

Troops

Warrior x 10 - 180 pts

Warrior x 10 - 180 pts

Elite

Pariah x 8 - 280 pts

Even 1000 points.

This list has no long range except for 24 inch pariah shots and the nightbringer's las cannon, nightbringer will die to plasma, las and Paraiahs get no WBB, and Warriors have no orb.

Let's do it like this:

HQ
Grotsnik 160

Troops
10 Gretchin + Runtherd 40

10 Gretchin + Runtherd 40

Fast Attack
5 Deffkoptas w Mega Blastas 200

Heavy Support
3xKilla Kans, each with big shoota 120

Flash Gitz x10
Blastas 300

Elites
Mega Nob 40

Mega Nob 40

Mega Nob 40

Total of 990, could take cybork body for runthers.
To me this army is a bunch of units that don't work together at all. Deffkoptas will not hit anything with their blastas and will probably run away before they would do anything. Killa kans will be immobilised to death. Flash gitz will burn themselves without doing any real damage. Mega Nobz will stay behind with their Slow and Purposeful until everything else is gone.

HQ

Parasite of Mortex - 160pts

Elites

Deathleaper - 140pts

Troops

10^Termagants - 60pts
All with spike rifles

10^Termagants - 60pts
All with spike rifles

10^Termagants - 60pts
All with spike rifles

Fast Attack

6^Spore Mine Cluster - 60pts

6^Spore Mine Cluster - 60pts

6^Spore Mine Cluster - 60pts

Heavy Support

3^Biovore Brood - 135pts

3^Biovore Brood - 135pts

Elite Choice

Lictor - 65pts

995pts of complete failure




H

Ok try this.

Hq
Cortez - 100

Troops
9 x 10 servitors - 900

The key is to resist taking the free upgrades on the servitors. That leaves you with one laspistol for ranged weapons and the servitors s3 servo arm slap for cc. Mind lock will also take half the servitors each turn.

994 pts of 'Bite Your Toes'

1 Tyrant Guard 60

x6
9 Ripper Swarm 864
Toxic Sacs
Tunneling Swarm

Gargoyle Brood
Toxic Sacs

__________________________________

1000 pts of 'Why...'

Asdrubael Vect 240

Drazhar 230

x2
19 Kabalite Warriors 530
2x Splinter Cannons
1 Sybarite
Phantasm Grenade Launcher
Blast Pistol
Agonizer

-Sincerely Viri

1 Custodian. Best. Army. Ever.

Impostor wrote:Let's do it like this:

HQ
Grotsnik 160

Troops
10 Gretchin + Runtherd 40

10 Gretchin + Runtherd 40

Fast Attack
5 Deffkoptas w Mega Blastas 200

Heavy Support
3xKilla Kans, each with big shoota 120

Flash Gitz x10
Blastas 300

Elites
Mega Nob 40
Mega Nob 40
Mega Nob 40

Total of 990, could take cybork body for runthers.
To me this army is a bunch of units that don't work together at all. Deffkoptas will not hit anything with their blastas and will probably run away before they would do anything. Killa kans will be immobilised to death. Flash gitz will burn themselves without doing any real damage. Mega Nobz will stay behind with their Slow and Purposeful until everything else is gone.

Give the Kanz Skorchas instead, and they won't even be able to reach the enemy with their shots- plus, you're wasting that BS3.

Inquisitor Lord - 45 pts

Troops

Sister of Battle x 10 - 110

Sister of Battle x 10 - 110

Elite

Sisters Repentia x 20 - 410
Mistress

Heavy

Penitent Engine Squadron x 3 - 255

Sisters Repentia die in the field, strike at INT 1 and have to go towards whatever the nearest unit most of the time. Each one costs as much as half a terminator and only gets str 6 1 attack and a 4+ save.

Penitent Enngines in a squadron die on a +2 to melta weapons. They're open topped, and in a squadron, immoble means wrecked. So on a 2, open topped makes it a 3, melta ap 1 makes it a 4 immobilzed, 4 means wrecked.

Can't think of a worse list.

Oooooof! That REALLY is bad.

Drachenhohle wrote:Ok try this.

Hq
Cortez - 100

Troops
9 x 10 servitors - 900

The key is to resist taking the free upgrades on the servitors. That leaves you with one laspistol for ranged weapons and the servitors s3 servo arm slap for cc. Mind lock will also take half the servitors each turn.

Servo arms are power fists, str 8 int 1, still a pretty bad list.

Wow that servitors list is amazingly bad, marching across the table with power fists, asking to be shot to pieces.

Librarian
Epistolary
Terminator armor and storm shield
Gate of Infinity psychic power
Quickening psychic power 190

Librarian
Epistolary
Terminator armor and storm shield
Gate of Infinity psychic power
Quickening psychic power 190

10 scouts
Shotguns
Teleport Homer
Melta Bomb
Camo Cloaks 190

10 scouts
Shotguns
Teleport Homer
Melta Bomb
Camo Cloaks 190

Rhino
Hunter Killer
Dozer Blade
Extra Armor 70

Rhino
Hunter Killer
Dozer Blade
Extra Armor 70

Techmarine 50

Techmarine 50

1000 points
It's hard to make very bad lists for SM. I wonder if shotguns are indeed the worst possible weapons for scouts?

Giving them sniper rifles in a Rhino that's always moving is worse than shotguns.

Either way you can also choose not to shoot, run instead, just away from the enemy

Yea, i think those lists should be bad even if you try using them best you can. So 20 sniper rifles could do damage to reckon with, connected with their camo cloaks.

Here's how I measure these: you and your opponent make the worst list you can. Then you play your opponent's list. Whoever beats their own list with their opponent's crappy list obviously made a worse list. That way you've got crappy lists actually trying to win.

Basically, any list can suck if piloted by someone trying to lose. This way the lists have to actually *try* to win, despite how bad they are.

So yes, 20 sniper rifles might actually do some damage. I doubt that my GK all banisher list would be able to do anything to it.

This is actually quite tough. Almost any unit I can think of is able to be useful, even in some small way.
Here's my addition.

Inquisitor Coteaz
5 Banishers, 5 Eviscerators
5 Banishers, 5 Eviscerators
5 Banishers, 5 Eviscerators
5 Banishers, 5 Eviscerators
5 Banishers, 5 Eviscerators
5 Banishers, 5 Eviscerators

This list solves the problem of having too many bodies on the field. 30 GEQ.
Minimum sized squads to force as many leadership checks as possible.
Even if they somehow get in CC, most of them should die before they even get a chance to swing.

I got enlightened overnight. Here comes the ultimate Ork crap list!

Brace yourselves.

HQ
Warboss 60

Warboss 60

Troops
3 Nobz 60

3 Nobz 60

Battlewagon dedicated transport 90

Battlewagon dedicated transport 90

Heavy Support

Battlewagon 90

Battlewagon 90

Battlewagon 90

Elites

3 Nobz

3 Nobz

Battlewagon dedicated transport 90

Battlewagon dedicated transport 90

Total of 990 points.

Each warboss allows one nob squad to be taken as troops choice.

Each nob squad can take battlewagon as dedicated transport.

So, the point is, battlewagons need to be upgraded to have any weapons. ANY weapons. This army would be just riding around, waving their choppas and popping their sluggas around, doing pretty much no damage to anyone. At most few tanks shocks would occur.

Of course, i could have made this even worse by buying lots of useless upgrades and cutting down a battlewagon or two like that, but i left it like this, just for the sheer lulz of 7 harmless behemoths bouncing all around the table.

I think that is an illegal army, as taking a unit as a troop choice doesn't count as troops for a force chart organization. For example, those nobs could not capture an objective as they are really not troops. You can take one unit as a troop allows you to now field 5 nob squads (with two warbosses) instead of the normal 3, not take elites as nothing but troops.

BlkTom wrote:I think that is an illegal army, as taking a unit as a troop choice doesn't count as troops for a force chart organization. For example, those nobs could not capture an objective as they are really not troops. You can take one unit as a troop allows you to now field 5 nob squads (with two warbosses) instead of the normal 3, not take elites as nothing but troops.

Of course they are, and of course you can. That's how Nob Biker lists work.

And Space Marines bike lists.
And Dark Eldar Hellion lists.
And Ravenwing/Deathwing.