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Aun'va
XV8 commander Shas'El: Shield generator, drone controller, 2x markerlight drones, C&C Node.

6xFW, Carbines
6x FW, Carbines

4xVespid
4X Vespid

IonHead

Ok, ill try this.....

Daemons 1000pts.

HQ
Herald Of Tzeentch 50pts

Herald Of Tzeentch, Icon Of Tzeentch 75pts

ELITES
8 Flamers Of Tzeentch 280pts

8 Flamers Of Tzeentch 280pts

TROOPS
5 Pink Horrors 85pts

5 Pink Horrors 85pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Daemon Prince, 80pts, Iron Hide 30pts, Daemonic Gaze 20pts


So, 980pts....This is actually quite hard ya know!
All HQ's have got SOMETHING going for them.....and as this is a Legal list (I took the Icon Of Tzeentch ya see), its really difficult to make an army list suck ass on purpose.

I suppose it depends on who you are playing against.....

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Ok, ill try this.....

Daemons 1000pts.

HQ
Herald Of Tzeentch 50pts

Herald Of Tzeentch, Icon Of Tzeentch 75pts

ELITES
8 Flamers Of Tzeentch 280pts

8 Flamers Of Tzeentch 280pts

TROOPS
5 Pink Horrors 85pts

5 Pink Horrors 85pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Daemon Prince, 80pts, Iron Hide 30pts, Daemonic Gaze 20pts


So, 980pts....This is actually quite hard ya know!
All HQ's have got SOMETHING going for them.....and as this is a Legal list (I took the Icon Of Tzeentch ya see), its really difficult to make an army list suck ass on purpose.

I suppose it depends on who you are playing against.....

Not really, Aun'va is so awful that I would spend MAX 100pts on him, but he is 205.

To make an army awful, all you need to do is play it wrong.

"Fire Warriors, CHARGE!!!!!"

Not really, Aun'va is so awful that I would spend MAX 100pts on him, but he is 205.

Aun'va is so bad I wouldn't take him if he was MINUS 150 points! He makes your army worse whilst alive, kills nothing and then makes half your army run away when he dies.

Either fun or horrible:

CCS: 70
meltabombs, medic

PCS: 35
meltabombs

IS: 55
meltabombs
IS: 55
meltabombs

Conscripts: 200
50 conscripts

PCS: 35
meltabombs

IS: 55
meltabombs
IS: 55
meltabombs
IS: 55
meltabombs
IS: 55
meltabombs
IS: 50

Conscripts: 80
20 conscripts

PCS: 35
meltabombs

IS: 55
meltabombs
IS: 55
meltabombs
IS: 55
meltabombs

A total of 1000 points.

FlingitNow wrote:

Not really, Aun'va is so awful that I would spend MAX 100pts on him, but he is 205.

Aun'va is so bad I wouldn't take him if he was MINUS 150 points! He makes your army worse whilst alive, kills nothing and then makes half your army run away when he dies.

The only reason to take him at all is that his guards can beat assault termies in combat, and that, after his forced morale check when he dies, Tau can hold their own in mêlée. Still not worth ANYTHING like 205pts though. Maybe 205 if he could take a dozen guards...

It's not as easy as it may seem...even the worst choices in a Dex will usually be better if taken in great numbers or the worst units will have to be taken in a stronger dex in low numbers with no extras, meaning you'll still have to spend the rest on other 'better' units elsewhere

If you choose the bare minimum on Troops that means you'll have to spend the points elsewhere - and no unit in the game is so bad it cannot do some form of damage in some way. A list can be built badly against competitive armies, but I don't know what army list can ever be deemed 'worst'

Any HQ/ELITE/FA/HS choices in a dex usually hasve something good going for them. Lots of Troops means the army will need to get beaten quickly. Of course any list can be really bad if you simply do nothing in each of your turns. If you don't move/shoot/assault and take units without Rage - then you'll lose. Any list can be deemed 'bad' if you play it like a complete spoon...

The obvious thing is Orks w/Gretchin...yet that's still 180 Gretchin to kill/cause to flee...

Big Mek - 35
Big Mek - 35

Warbuggy - 30
Warguggy - 30
Warbuggy - 30

30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds, 3 Grot Prods - 135
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120

Looted Wagon - 35
Looted Wagon - 35
Looted Wagon - 35

OR

Chaos Lord - 90

5 Chaos Marines - 75
5 Chaos Marines - 75

19 Chaos Spawn - 760

You see? Even though Spawn are recognised by many, though not by me personally, to be a woeful unit, 6 units of 3 T5 W3 creatures having to, move, run & charge a possible 24'' & putting out a potential 21 S5 attacks on the charge is not bad by any means.

An army list can only truly be bad depending on what other army it is facing. The above lists will not do well against a SM army with 3 Land Raider Redeemers, but against the majority of balanced lists they'll still do some form of damage & cause somekind of problem...

It's shocking the amount of incorrect lists in this thread so far, but I love it! It's a challenge, to be sure

warspawned wrote:It's not as easy as it may seem...even the worst choices in a Dex will usually be better if taken in great numbers or the worst units will have to be taken in a stronger dex in low numbers with no extras, meaning you'll still have to spend the rest on other 'better' units elsewhere

If you choose the bare minimum on Troops that means you'll have to spend the points elsewhere - and no unit in the game is so bad it cannot do some form of damage in some way. A list can be built badly against competitive armies, but I don't know what army list can ever be deemed 'worst'

Any HQ/ELITE/FA/HS choices in a dex usually hasve something good going for them. Lots of Troops means the army will need to get beaten quickly. Of course any list can be really bad if you simply do nothing in each of your turns. If you don't move/shoot/assault and take units without Rage - then you'll lose. Any list can be deemed 'bad' if you play it like a complete spoon...

The obvious thing is Orks w/Gretchin...yet that's still 180 Gretchin to kill/cause to flee...

Big Mek - 35
Big Mek - 35

Warbuggy - 30
Warguggy - 30
Warbuggy - 30

30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds, 3 Grot Prods - 135
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120
30 Gretchin w/3 Runtherds - 120

Looted Wagon - 35
Looted Wagon - 35
Looted Wagon - 35

OR

Chaos Lord - 90

5 Chaos Marines - 75
5 Chaos Marines - 75

19 Chaos Spawn - 760

You see? Even though Spawn are recognised by many, though not by me personally, to be a woeful unit, 6 units of 3 T5 W3 creatures having to, move, run & charge a possible 24'' & putting out a potential 21 S5 attacks on the charge is not bad by any means.

An army list can only truly be bad depending on what other army it is facing. The above lists will not do well against a SM army with 3 Land Raider Redeemers, but against the majority of balanced lists they'll still do some form of damage & cause somekind of problem...

It's shocking the amount of incorrect lists in this thread so far, but I love it! It's a challenge, to be sure

^^^^^^^^^
Agree completely with the above comment by the way....I have never seen so many dodgy list's.

Back on topic thou, yes its very hard to write a list that will lose evrytime. Unless you play it blindfold. The dicegod's cannot hate you every game, and eventually you will pull off one mean mutha of victory...

Should be good to witness thou. Tell ya what, if I see a list that is truly woeful, I will buy, paint, and play it untill I get a win.
Should be interesting at least.......
Great thread by the way, lovin it!

Quick Adendum: Ill blog it as well, from start to finish!

Herald Of Nurgle with Chaos icon x2

6x9 Units of Nurglings

2x5 Furies of Chaos


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admittedly 1002 points... but take of a nurgling lmao

I think one of the things to do when coming up with a woeful list is to not spam the same unit repeatedly. Everything counts in large amounts, as they say.

So to make a truly awful list, you have to take things that are not simply bad, but also work poorly with the other things you've chosen.

So for instance: Sentinels. Not a great unit, but suddenly there's 9 of them and they're outflanking? that's 27 S6 shots, which is enough to make anyone's day miserable. So instead, Fill that slot up with an armored sentinel, a Devil dog, and a 5 man rough rider squad with Mogul what's his name.

Keep at it, and you too can make a truly awful list.

ah but Nurglings, are nurglings, at T3 and a 5+ Save and take double wounds from Blasts...

There gonna suffer sooner or later and having to Deepstrike in....

Ummmmm, forgive me if im wrong. But if you have 6x9 Nurgling's, does that not equal 162 wound's!

In a 1k pt game, that will surely take some beating!

BTW, I may be very wrong. My math's sucks.....

it equals alot of wounds...

Just shoot 'em all lmao!!!

Templates and what not will work wonders, and you get a free turn of shooting

Good point, but still. I would be fething terrified if my opponent pull's out mini's with a total of 162 wounds!

How bout this one.
1000pt 'Nilla Marines

HQ
Chaplain 100pts

TROOPS
5xScout Squad 75pts
5xScout Squad 75pts
5xScout Squad 75pts
5xScout Squad 75pts
5xScout Squad 75pts
5xScout Squad 75pts

FAST ATTACK
3xScout Bikes 70pts
3xScout Bikes 70pts
1xAttack Bike w/Multimelta

HEAVY SUPPORT
3xWhirlwind 255pts

The Attack Bike is in there because im a little bit anal, and wanted to get as close to 1k pts as possible, whilst still retaining the essential 'Scoutness' of the army....My reasoning being that Scouts are the worst Troop option available to 'nilla Marines.

The Whirlwinds speak for themselves, the worst tank in the 'Dex by a loooong way.

The Attack Bike is probably the only thing capable of doing any real damage.
BTW, all the mini's in the list are as they come. NO upgrades.

Enjoy.......

On the topic of "no unit is terrible"

Aun'va
WS 1
BS 3
Str 2
T 3(5)
W 4
I 1
A 1
Ld 10
Sv 4+

When he dies, all Tau take a morale test.

205pts.

LOL!!!! That is really shocking mate.....why did GW bother?? LMFAO......

The only reason to take him at all is that his guards can beat assault termies in combat, and that, after his forced morale check when he dies, Tau can hold their own in mêlée. Still not worth ANYTHING like 205pts though. Maybe 205 if he could take a dozen guards...

FC doesn't really mean they can hold their own in CC as you're still better off shooting than charging and getting killed before you get to strike...

The Attack Bike is in there because im a little bit anal, and wanted to get as close to 1k pts as possible, whilst still retaining the essential 'Scoutness' of the army....My reasoning being that Scouts are the worst Troop option available to 'nilla Marines.

Actually they are the 2nd worst, Tac squads are far worse than scout squads and since those are the only 2 troops choices that makes scouts the best. Just Scouts with Bolters are fail on many many levels so your list still sucks, but Scouts are a great troops choice.

On the topic of "no unit is terrible"

Aun'va
WS 1
BS 3
Str 2
T 3(5)
W 4
I 1
A 1
Ld 10
Sv 4+

When he dies, all Tau take a morale test.

Also whilst he's alive your whole army is stubborn which is pretty terrible for Tau. What that means is when your squad gets assaulted it'll get mauled (but not quite wiped out) and due to stubborn will stay in combat get wiped out in your turn allowing the enemy to consolidate movve and then assault you again and you've now lost your chance to shoot the enemy. So basically not only is he 205 points of fail that makes half your army run away when he dies. Whilst he's alive he makes you auto-lose the game the minute 1 enemy unit makes assault with you as you'll never get a chance to shoot at that unit again as it wipes your army out in CC. Given that most armies will be assaulting you on turn 1 if they go first that basically means you auto-lose and pay 205 points for the privalege.

Hence why I wouldn't even take him if he was -150 points (i.e. by taking him you get an extra 150 points to spend on your army).

He is super mega fail in so many many ways.

FlingitNow wrote:

The only reason to take him at all is that his guards can beat assault termies in combat, and that, after his forced morale check when he dies, Tau can hold their own in mêlée. Still not worth ANYTHING like 205pts though. Maybe 205 if he could take a dozen guards...

FC doesn't really mean they can hold their own in CC as you're still better off shooting than charging and getting killed before you get to strike...

FC coupled with PE means hey come up on-par or slightly better than standard guardsmen, meaning they're slightly-less-than-useless in CC

Also whilst he's alive your whole army is stubborn which is pretty terrible for Tau. What that means is when your squad gets assaulted it'll get mauled (but not quite wiped out) and due to stubborn will stay in combat get wiped out in your turn allowing the enemy to consolidate movve and then assault you again and you've now lost your chance to shoot the enemy. So basically not only is he 205 points of fail that makes half your army run away when he dies. Whilst he's alive he makes you auto-lose the game the minute 1 enemy unit makes assault with you as you'll never get a chance to shoot at that unit again as it wipes your army out in CC. Given that most armies will be assaulting you on turn 1 if they go first that basically means you auto-lose and pay 205 points for the privalege.

Hence why I wouldn't even take him if he was -150 points (i.e. by taking him you get an extra 150 points to spend on your army).

He is super mega fail in so many many ways.

The stubborn thing IS awful, but I have to say, if it were able to apply to kroot, they could tarpit a unit pretty much indefinitely.

Back to the point, it is only Tau in LoS, and with 5ed cover and abundance of obstacles, it's not AS big a problem anymore.

I would take him if he were -150 points, since with -150 pts, if i got rid of 2 fire warriors, I could have O'Shaserra, who is a very useful deep-stiking tank-popper.

Actually they are the 2nd worst, Tac squads are far worse than scout squads and since those are the only 2 troops choices that makes scouts the best. Just Scouts with Bolters are fail on many many levels so your list still sucks, but Scouts are a great troops choice.

Yup, but that just highlights what warspawned said earlier, its actually quite difficult to write a sucky list on purpose.

2 units 5 scouts
1 chaplain as your HQ with a jump-pack
1 unit of 600 points of vanguarded marines. Give them dual thunderhammers and jump packs!!! weeeee. 100 points per model? Check. 6 wounds at t4 and with a 3+armor save.

Every army listed so far would pimp this one.

Bloodhorror wrote:Herald Of Nurgle with Chaos icon x2

6x9 Units of Nurglings

2x5 Furies of Chaos


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admittedly 1002 points... but take of a nurgling lmao

You should make that 4 x Heralds of Nurgle with all the useless "gifts" you can buy and spend the rest on nurglings.

Ok. I decided that my Eldar list posted previously was way too good. So I've decided to take a slightly different approach!

(95) Autarch- Warp Jump Generator
(95) Autarch- Warp Jump Generator

(102)5 Dire Avengers- Exarch, PW + Shimmer Shield + Defend
(102)5 Dire Avengers- Exarch, PW + Shimmer Shield + Defend
(102) 5 Dire Avengers- Exarch, PW + Shimmer Shield + Defend
(102) 6 Dire Avengers- Exarch, PW + Shimmer Shield + Defend

(122) 5 Swooping Hawks- Exarch, Intercept
(122) 5 Swooping Hawks- Exarch, Intercept
(143) 5 Swooping Hawks- Exarch, Intercept

So time for the checklists!
2 autarchs with the ability to instant kill themselves by rolling doubles on a warp jump, with a regular cc weapon, and a single shuri pistol.

4 Extremely expensive Dire Avenger exarchs on small short ranged fragile squads.

3 squads of flying las guns.

Let's try this for Imperial Guard:

HQ:
Company Command Squad
w/ Medi-pack, Vox-Caster, Carapace Armor, Camo-Cloaks, Astropath, Master of Ordnance, Officer of the Fleet, 2x Bodyguards

Troops:
2x Penal Legion Squad

Elites:
Rough Riders

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Punisher x3 (in one Squadron)


Total: 1000

I'm surprised that no Tau player has yet posted the truly absolute worst Tau list:

Shas'o
Shield Generator
Positional Relay
Targeting Array
w/ Max Wargear
220 Pts.

Bodyguard (2)
Shield Generator
A.S.S.
Targeting Array
w/ Max Wargear
348

Shas'o
Shield Generator
Positional Relay
Targeting Array
w/ Max Wargear
220 Pts.

Crisis Battlesuit Team (1)
2 Marker Drones
Blacksun Filter
Multi Tracker
93 Pts.

Fire Warriors (6)
Fire Warriors (6)
120 Pts.

1001 Pts.

The only killing power in this list is fire warriors. Your crisis suits will have fun doing nothing in assault

The Bringer wrote:I'm surprised that no Tau player has yet posted the truly absolute worst Tau list:

Shas'o
Shield Generator
Positional Relay
Targeting Array
w/ Max Wargear
220 Pts.

Bodyguard (2)
Shield Generator
A.S.S.
Targeting Array
w/ Max Wargear
348

Shas'o
Shield Generator
Positional Relay
Targeting Array
w/ Max Wargear
220 Pts.

Crisis Battlesuit Team (1)
2 Marker Drones
Blacksun Filter
Multi Tracker
93 Pts.

Fire Warriors (6)
Fire Warriors (6)
120 Pts.

1001 Pts.

The only killing power in this list is fire warriors. Your crisis suits will have fun doing nothing in assault

That isn't the truly absolute worst list because there isn't Aun'va...

That's because Aun'va would add to the offensive capability of this list, honor guard and all

Really though, which is worse:

A) Chance that about 1/4 your units will run away

or

B) Absolutely no ability to kill nada

I'd go with B

Jabbdo wrote:

Paraelix wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:Necron Lord w/ Disruption Fields = 105

2x10 Warriors = 360

3 Scarabs = 36

3x3 Tomb Spyders = 495

Total = 996

Worst I could think of this early in the morning. Probably should have put some Pariahs in there, but hey ho.

What?

So 9 MC's that poop ablative wounds @1000pts is bad HOW?

You only need to knock over a handful of warriors to phase them out.

You still need to kill 16 warriors to make them phase out. Thats really not too easy at range, @ 1000pts.

Thats quite easy but if you just sit them back on OBJ the spyders will go to town. That or you put them with the Spyders wont it make well be back really good?

The Bringer wrote:That's because Aun'va would add to the offensive capability of this list, honor guard and all

Really though, which is worse:

A) Chance that about 1/4 your units will run away

or

B) Absolutely no ability to kill nada

I'd go with B

Almost definitely more than 1/4 considering the relatively low leadership of the Tau.

Plus, the Honour Guards are fairly fragile, having only 2 wounds...

Plus, you could always take both...


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im2randomghgh wrote:

The Bringer wrote:That's because Aun'va would add to the offensive capability of this list, honor guard and all

Really though, which is worse:

A) Chance that about 1/4 your units will run away

or

B) Absolutely no ability to kill nada

I'd go with B

Almost definitely more than 1/4 considering the relatively low leadership of the Tau.

Plus, the Honour Guards are fairly fragile, having only 2 wounds...

Plus, you could always take both...

That's because Aun'va would add to the offensive capability of this list, honor guard and all

Really though, which is worse:

A) Chance that about 1/4 your units will run away

or

B) Absolutely no ability to kill nada

I'd go with B

Its a 3rd at least of your army, plus he makes your army stubborn and can only kill some things in CC.

So its:

A) Small CC ability, but makes all your other units into nice fluffy pillows for your opponent to hug and makes a 3rd of your army run away when he dies.

B) Smaller CC ability, no other down side.

But yeah your suit configs are pretty ace. Though you forgot to take pulse carbines on the Fire warriors.

anything necron >=P