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KingDeath wrote:Unless there is a way to transport all of them to the tyranid front it matters little how many people an imperial hiveworld has.

That's the Tyranid propaganda. For all we know Leviathan may be one of the last remnants of their entire race.

Brother Coa wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
Unless they head straight for Terra, wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, and after a few years of growing invade and take out the Astronomican. It doesn't matter how many die, as long as the Astronomican goes down the Imperium is screwed.

Tyranids would be raped there...
And raped HARD.....
Against the finest defense of the Imperium + Mars + Grey Knights + the Imperium now knows how to deal with them...
They would just, die. They didn't succeed in taking Macragge why do you think they are able to take Terra?

If you removed plot armour, Macragge would have been nom'd. If you wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, Terra starves. If Terra starves, Terra loses defenders. If Terra loses defenders, Terra becomes vulnerable.
Also, the Grey Knights wouldn't do much as a) most of them are out on missions and b) there's only 1000 of them in the galaxy.


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hellspawn22 wrote:But Segmentum Pacificus has all sorts of cool stuff. Solar just has two planets that no post-HH anything takes place on!

And I think the 'nids would become dead, fast. I mean, the Mechanicus would deploy all sorts of titan, and i bet just about every chapter of SM would show up. It would be a bad show for everyone if the Tyranids showed up with serious strength, but I'm confident that we could hold them off.

Every chapter of SM? Just over 1,000,000 marines. Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihalated. One million people, no matter how tough, can't handle billions of critters at once.
Mars could be destroyed from orbit, as there isn't enough biomass to make it worth taking.
The PDF and IG presence in the area would be crippled by starvation.
Any reinforcements whatsoever would probably get lost. Who knows what the Shadow in the Warp would do to the Astronomican.

Looking at it purely from a neutral viewpoint: nothing in the universe stands the faintest chance against the Tyranids. Even victories against them are Pyhrric, as it simply acts to make them stronger. There is simply nothing any species can do to stop them, not unless every single species was willing to join forces - which I can see the Tau and Eldar being willing to do, but the Imperium has sealed its fate by being so xenophobic, Chaos are too hateful, Orks are too warlike and Dark Eldar could possibly ally with other races, but are likely too fickle and arrogant to form any meaningful allegiance with anyone.

Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihalated.

100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.


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Abstract Catalyst wrote:Looking at it purely from a neutral viewpoint: nothing in the universe stands the faintest chance against the Tyranids. Even victories against them are Pyhrric, as it simply acts to make them stronger. There is simply nothing any species can do to stop them, not unless every single species was willing to join forces - which I can see the Tau and Eldar being willing to do, but the Imperium has sealed its fate by being so xenophobic, Chaos are too hateful, Orks are too warlike and Dark Eldar could possibly ally with other races, but are likely too fickle and arrogant to form any meaningful allegiance with anyone.

Again, 100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

TrollPie wrote:
If you removed plot armour, Macragge would have been nom'd.

If you remove plot armor, bugs go extinct in seconds.

TrollPie wrote:
If you wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, Terra starves. If Terra starves, Terra loses defenders. If Terra loses defenders, Terra becomes vulnerable.

If you survive the attention of the IoM on your way to the agri-worlds...

TrollPie wrote:
Every chapter of SM? Just over 1,000,000 marines. Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihilated.

Combined might? Say goodbye to the nids.
A single small fleet of necron ships easily destroys a hive fleet.
Remember the new BF of the IoM?

TrollPie wrote: One million people, no matter how tough, can't handle billions of critters at once.

W M D

TrollPie wrote:
Mars could be destroyed from orbit, as there isn't enough biomass to make it worth taking.

Destroyed from orbit by nids? the species without such weapons?

TrollPie wrote:
Any reinforcements whatsoever would probably get lost. Who knows what the Shadow in the Warp would do to the Astronomican.

Who knows what the God Emperor will do to the hivemind?
We bring the light where shadow is

Luna Dragon wrote:

Again, 100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

Yeah man, the critters have no chance, have you read many BL novels?

Have you read Legion!?

Normal IG would wtfpwn a hive fleet if they prepared even remotely well.

Line up a 4 or 5 million well trained guardsmen, firing with disciplined las-gun volleys and they would wipe the floor with anything.

They could mash a few billion tyranids without breaking out mortars, planes, tanks, anything!

Basically humans are too smart for tyranids, they are tough, but weve got opposable thumbs and weve got firearms. One human is the equal to one tyranid if he has a rifle, and we have trillions of people and trillions of guns. Its not like weapons are uncommon in 40k.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:Even victories against them are Pyhrric, as it simply acts to make them stronger.

Unless you defeat the Hive Fleet, it which case they lose out, same as anyone. If anything, Tyranids are forced to operate on the offensive as they seemingly have to consume vast amounts of biomass to propagate their forces - in deep space, they hibernate to conserve energy. If they get to the point that they struggle to take new worlds, they can't replenish their forces. Ultimately, their overall strategy is very inflexible.

1hadhq wrote:Oh , really?

chaos in 5th ed is near nonexistant, their place in the background a sidenote. Look up the amount of fluff they get....

- traitor primarchs cut
- traitor marines eaten by nids
- traitors used to wipe the floor with when imperial forces are present

Obviously, 13 times of fail, ignorance to their own demise as ruinous means more often than not your own ruin, all of this clearly points to a grand victory........





They don't see it coming
And we don't need them to. Just die fething traitor scum.

+1

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Abstract Catalyst wrote:Even victories against them are Pyhrric, as it simply acts to make them stronger.

Unless you defeat the Hive Fleet, it which case they lose out, same as anyone. If anything, Tyranids are forced to operate on the offensive as they seemingly have to consume vast amounts of biomass to propagate their forces - in deep space, they hibernate to conserve energy. If they get to the point that they struggle to take new worlds, they can't replenish their forces. Ultimately, their overall strategy is very inflexible.

You can't kill the Hive Mind, if even a single Tyranid organism exists then so does the Hive Mind. As such, Hive Fleets are also pretty much impossible to destroy in their entirety - not without sustaining huge losses on the Imperium's/xenos' side. And seeing as GW has constantly hinted that the Tyranid fleets currently in the galaxy are only forerunners of the actual 'organism' I'd say they aren't going to run out of biomass any time soon. And besides, the only 100% certain way of denying a Hive Fleet any sustenance is to employ the exterminatus and use burned ground tactics, which inflict losses on both sides of the war.

Luna Dragon wrote:100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

Yes, but GW SM fanboy-ism aside that wouldn't actually be possible.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Abstract Catalyst wrote:Even victories against them are Pyhrric, as it simply acts to make them stronger.

Unless you defeat the Hive Fleet, it which case they lose out, same as anyone. If anything, Tyranids are forced to operate on the offensive as they seemingly have to consume vast amounts of biomass to propagate their forces - in deep space, they hibernate to conserve energy. If they get to the point that they struggle to take new worlds, they can't replenish their forces. Ultimately, their overall strategy is very inflexible.

You can't kill the Hive Mind, if even a single Tyranid organism exists then so does the Hive Mind. As such, Hive Fleets are also pretty much impossible to destroy in their entirety - not without sustaining huge losses on the Imperium's/xenos' side. And seeing as GW has constantly hinted that the Tyranid fleets currently in the galaxy are only forerunners of the actual 'organism' I'd say they aren't going to run out of biomass any time soon. And besides, the only 100% certain way of denying a Hive Fleet any sustenance is to employ the exterminatus and use burned ground tactics, which inflict losses on both sides of the war.

Luna Dragon wrote:100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

Yes, but GW SM fanboy-ism aside that wouldn't actually be possible.

So.... Tyranids are the fore runner to a larger meaner baddie? Could be Cthulhu, could be something else.

No, the forms we're seeing at the moment could be forerunners to more advanced forms.

Cthulhu would kick the ass of everything within the 40k universe in his sleep, which he seems to spend a lot of time doing.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:
You can't kill the Hive Mind, if even a single Tyranid organism exists then so does the Hive Mind.

Well, Synapse Tyranid I'd guess. Even so, that's not particularly relevant - the Hive Mind needs the Swarmlord, for instance, to do its commanding for it (how does that work anyway?). A normal Synapse creature apparently can't funnel the Hive Minds intelligence that well.

As such, Hive Fleets are also pretty much impossible to destroy in their entirety - not without sustaining huge losses on the Imperium's/xenos' side.

So what if the Imperium suffers huge losses? It can restore them, if the Tyranids lose, they cannot. That's the difference. In a long enough war of attrition, any side, other than the Eldar, will win, because the Tyranids need to take the ground. They can't sustain naval battles.

And seeing as GW has constantly hinted that the Tyranid fleets currently in the galaxy are only forerunners of the actual 'organism' I'd say they aren't going to run out of biomass any time soon.

Hints are only hints, though, and there are many such hints for other factions as well.

And besides, the only 100% certain way of denying a Hive Fleet any sustenance is to employ the exterminatus and use burned ground tactics, which inflict losses on both sides of the war.

Or you could destroy the Hive Fleet. They are not limitless. Shadowsun defeated a splinter Hive Fleet with no ship losses. Every time I've heard of Necron ships going up against Tyranid ships they've utterly annihilated them. The first major Tyranid Hive Fleet was most destroyed, the second splintered because, well, it was too weak to actually break the defences, and Leviathan got diverted into an Ork Empire and lost it's entire splinter fleet to one Ork planet and it's protecting minefield. They recovered, but only because of a rather impatient Warboss.

It's very difficult to judge the Tyranid threat, because sometimes they are shown to be extremely intelligent and at other times they are shown to be a mindless swarm. Either way, they're not unstoppable.

Yes, but GW SM fanboy-ism aside that wouldn't actually be possible.

I'd say the Tyranid creature on Gryphonne IV was worse. What's that, it can take down Titan Legions and massive fortresses by itself? Should use it more often then really, since it'd take down most armies single-handedly.

I would like to think that the Imperium, which is based on worship of the Emperor, would move everyone, everything, heaven, and earth to protect Him.

Luna Dragon wrote:

Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihalated.

100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

What idiot wrote that? So 100 people single handedly killed billions of Tyranids. That's just bad writing.


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1hadhq wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
If you removed plot armour, Macragge would have been nom'd.

If you remove plot armor, bugs go extinct in seconds.

Trillions of bugs in the void of space. No.

TrollPie wrote:
If you wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, Terra starves. If Terra starves, Terra loses defenders. If Terra loses defenders, Terra becomes vulnerable.

If you survive the attention of the IoM on your way to the agri-worlds...

Why wouldn't you? There's lightyears of space between planets. Just spotting a fleet manouvering out there is unlikely.

TrollPie wrote:
Every chapter of SM? Just over 1,000,000 marines. Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihilated.

Combined might? Say goodbye to the nids.
A single small fleet of necron ships easily destroys a hive fleet.
Remember the new BF of the IoM?

So every Marine single handedly kills one million creatures? 1,000,000 people could take a planet. Maybe a star system. Over a few millenia, they might actually accomplish something noteworthy without support. But unaided they aren't that hard to destroy.

TrollPie wrote: One million people, no matter how tough, can't handle billions of critters at once.

W M D

That works both ways you know.

TrollPie wrote:
Mars could be destroyed from orbit, as there isn't enough biomass to make it worth taking.

Destroyed from orbit by nids? the species without such weapons?

Not that hard to create them. A powerful virus, large helium bombs, billions of spore mines...

TrollPie wrote:
Any reinforcements whatsoever would probably get lost. Who knows what the Shadow in the Warp would do to the Astronomican.

Who knows what the God Emperor will do to the hivemind?
We bring the light where shadow is

We have no idea how they'll interact. However once all the psykers in the Astronomican go insane...

TrollPie wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:

Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihalated.

100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

What idiot wrote that? So 100 people single handedly killed billions of Tyranids. That's just bad writing.


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1hadhq wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
If you removed plot armour, Macragge would have been nom'd.

If you remove plot armor, bugs go extinct in seconds.

Trillions of bugs in the void of space. No.

TrollPie wrote:
If you wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, Terra starves. If Terra starves, Terra loses defenders. If Terra loses defenders, Terra becomes vulnerable.

If you survive the attention of the IoM on your way to the agri-worlds...

Why wouldn't you? There's lightyears of space between planets. Just spotting a fleet manouvering out there is unlikely.

TrollPie wrote:
Every chapter of SM? Just over 1,000,000 marines. Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihilated.

Combined might? Say goodbye to the nids.
A single small fleet of necron ships easily destroys a hive fleet.
Remember the new BF of the IoM?

So every Marine single handedly kills one million creatures? 1,000,000 people could take a planet. Maybe a star system. Over a few millenia, they might actually accomplish something noteworthy without support. But unaided they aren't that hard to destroy.

TrollPie wrote: One million people, no matter how tough, can't handle billions of critters at once.

W M D

That works both ways you know.

TrollPie wrote:
Mars could be destroyed from orbit, as there isn't enough biomass to make it worth taking.

Destroyed from orbit by nids? the species without such weapons?

Not that hard to create them. A powerful virus, large helium bombs, billions of spore mines...

TrollPie wrote:
Any reinforcements whatsoever would probably get lost. Who knows what the Shadow in the Warp would do to the Astronomican.

Who knows what the God Emperor will do to the hivemind?
We bring the light where shadow is

We have no idea how they'll interact. However once all the psykers in the Astronomican go insane...

Abstract Catalyst wrote:
Yes, but GW SM fanboy-ism aside that wouldn't actually be possible.

Mate, its their fething train set.

They write the goddamn stuff! If you want to say that the tyranids are called "Abtract Catalystics" and they are super awesome and beat everyone, then you can do. But this is 40k, and In warhammer 40k, the tyranids get pwned alot, and small numbers of Space Marines regularly pwn them.

Go make your own stuff up if you want the tyranids to eat the galaxy.

mattyrm wrote:

Abstract Catalyst wrote:
Yes, but GW SM fanboy-ism aside that wouldn't actually be possible.

Mate, its their fething train set.

They write the goddamn stuff! If you want to say that the tyranids are called "Abtract Catalystics" and they are super awesome and beat everyone, then you can do. But this is 40k, and In warhammer 40k, the tyranids get pwned alot, and small numbers of Space Marines regularly pwn them.

Go make your own stuff up if you want the tyranids to eat the galaxy.

When writing fiction, one has to consider the fact that having your protagonist vastly superior to everything else isn't interesting, compelling or reasonable. They can write it so that a single Space Marine can destroy entire planets with his foot for all I care, but I, personally, would rather interpret their back-story and characters with some semblance of realism if possible.

And for the record, I don't even like Tyranids I just think that GW has built them up too far to simply say 'Oh yeah, by the way, on chapter of Space Marines > every 'nid ever.

Brother Coa wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Unless there is a way to transport all of them to the tyranid front it matters little how many people an imperial hiveworld has.

That's the Tyranid propaganda. For all we know Leviathan may be one of the last remnants of their entire race.

How is stating that the Imperium's transport capabilites are limited Tyranid propaganda?

KingDeath wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KingDeath wrote:Unless there is a way to transport all of them to the tyranid front it matters little how many people an imperial hiveworld has.

That's the Tyranid propaganda. For all we know Leviathan may be one of the last remnants of their entire race.

How is stating that the Imperium's transport capabilites are limited Tyranid propaganda?

Oh, totally miss the "Shadow of the Warp thing". Silly me, I thought we were talking about numbers here and about Tyranid "Main Hive Fleet."

TrollPie wrote:
Trillions of bugs in the void of space. No.

trillions of bugs in trollpie-40k maybe. GW does not agree

TrollPie wrote:
Just spotting a fleet manouvering out there is unlikely.

Slow movers like nids are easier to catch than those jumping the warp or zapping around in XFTL speed.

TrollPie wrote:
So every Marine single handedly kills one million creatures?

Only so few? I am dissapoint

TrollPie wrote:
Not that hard to create them. A powerful virus, large helium bombs, billions of spore mines..

Where? In the annihilated hive fleets remains?
If there is anything left that lives.....

1hadhq wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
Trillions of bugs in the void of space. No.

trillions of bugs in trollpie-40k maybe. GW does not agree

TrollPie wrote:
Just spotting a fleet manouvering out there is unlikely.

Slow movers like nids are easier to catch than those jumping the warp or zapping around in XFTL speed.

TrollPie wrote:
So every Marine single handedly kills one million creatures?

Only so few? I am dissapoint

TrollPie wrote:
Not that hard to create them. A powerful virus, large helium bombs, billions of spore mines..

Where? In the annihilated hive fleets remains?
If there is anything left that lives.....

There are trillions of humans in the WH40K universe, and I daresay there are more 'nids.

Wikipedia actually says quadrillions of humans. And yes, there are probably more Tyranids, but that doesn't mean much of anything. And logically, I would say that Leviathan probably is the last remnant of the Tyranids, at least the ones that will ever come this way. They consume all biomass and then move on, so whatever galaxy they came from is utterly barren now, and they either sent everything they have at us or split up and went in all different directions.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:
There are trillions of humans in the WH40K universe, and I daresay there are more 'nids.

Only orks got a basis to claim to outnumber.
Nids got pure speculation...and considering how many codices they got without a confirmed size I dare say they have to stick with "unknown" for some time to come.

hellspawn22 wrote:Wikipedia actually says quadrillions of humans. And yes, there are probably more Tyranids, but that doesn't mean much of anything. And logically, I would say that Leviathan probably is the last remnant of the Tyranids, at least the ones that will ever come this way. They consume all biomass and then move on, so whatever galaxy they came from is utterly barren now, and they either sent everything they have at us or split up and went in all different directions.

A quadrillion is a lot, lot more than a trillion, and you could assume that, but you'd be going against all of the GW fluff implying that there are many more Hive fleets.

This is kind of irrelevant however, as the C'tan will 'win' in the end, as so very few things are capable of killing them and they appear to have immortal lifespans. Eventually, everything else will die, as planets become barren rocks and resources become insufficient, but the C'tan can survive so long as there are stars.

Well GW is wrong, then!

But I suppose you're right. But that will be in a long, long, long time, and I think someone else will win before then.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:

A quadrillion is a lot, lot more than a trillion, and you could assume that, but you'd be going against all of the GW fluff implying that there are many more Hive fleets.

Source please?
The only Hive Fleets I know about are 3 minor that entered our galaxy after Leviathan. No other Hive Fleets are reported after that.

1hadhq wrote:Oh , really?

chaos in 5th ed is near nonexistant, their place in the background a sidenote. Look up the amount of fluff they get....

- traitor primarchs cut
- traitor marines eaten by nids
- traitors used to wipe the floor with when imperial forces are present

Obviously, 13 times of fail, ignorance to their own demise as ruinous means more often than not your own ruin, all of this clearly points to a grand victory........

They don't see it coming
And we don't need them to. Just die fething traitor scum.

Abaddon was able to strike a crippling blow to an important Imperial manufacturing world. With actual strategy.

The 40k rulebook alone has two or three instances of Chaos winning.

The Tyranids were stopped by a Daemon World converted by M'kar, and the Imperium had to commit Exterminatus, which is ALWAYS a loss for the Imperium.

Sure, every time Ka'Bhanda, and most times M'kar are mentioned, Chaos has is embarassed, both being losers, but Chaos is still doing pretty well. And keep in mind there has yet to be a codex with a Chaos viewpoint at the moment, 4e had a lot of Chaos victories.

Brother Coa wrote:That's the Tyranid propaganda. For all we know Leviathan may be one of the last remnants of their entire race.

For all we know the Hive Mind is the size of the Andromeda galaxy and can shoot a giant laser capable of annihilating half the universe.

Leviathan is not confirmed to be the last Hive Fleet, hell, most fluff implies quite different.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:Looking at it purely from a neutral viewpoint: nothing in the universe stands the faintest chance against the Tyranids. Even victories against them are Pyhrric, as it simply acts to make them stronger. There is simply nothing any species can do to stop them, not unless every single species was willing to join forces - which I can see the Tau and Eldar being willing to do, but the Imperium has sealed its fate by being so xenophobic, Chaos are too hateful, Orks are too warlike and Dark Eldar could possibly ally with other races, but are likely too fickle and arrogant to form any meaningful allegiance with anyone.

I cannot help but notice you did not mention the Necrons.

The Necrons are THE worst opponent for Tyranids, they give them nothing, the Tyranids cannot use Necrodermis for anything, and it all phases out even if they could. Their gauss weaponry utterly disintegrates Tyranid organisms, so they cannot replenish their biomass wit the dead. And Necron starships are the best in the galaxy, pound for pound far superior to other factions, Necrons crush Tyranids in space battles.

Then of course there is the fact that Tyranids deliberately avoid Tomb Worlds.

The Tyranids are a serious threat, and I don't approve of the downplaying of them in this thread, but come on, they aren't invincible.

Luna Dragon wrote:Again, 100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

When the hell did this happen?

It took almost the entire Ultramarines chapter to beat Behemoth, the first Hive Fleet. Hell, 100 marines, aka the first company of the Ultramarines, was completely wiped out by Behemoth.

It took the Ultramarines, and three Craftworlds and a Maiden World to take out Kraken.

Leviathan has yet to be stopped.



On a different note, Cthulhu?

Cthulhu got his octo-ass popped by a boat. And is a mere planetary telepath.

Mere Greater Daemons have done better.

hellspawn22 wrote:Well GW is wrong, then!

Follow the path of the Kan.....

Void__Dragon wrote:
The 40k rulebook alone has two or three instances of Chaos winning.

Sure, every time Ka'Bhanda, and most times M'kar are mentioned, Chaos has is embarassed, both being losers, but Chaos is still doing pretty well. And keep in mind there has yet to be a codex with a Chaos viewpoint at the moment, 4e had a lot of Chaos victories.

Depends if you count raids as wins. Actually "chaos" performs like pirates with a secret hideout doing well until the pirate hunters catch up.
chaos isn't able to keep anything, infighting their theme.
Sure, if rumors are true and 6th has the return of chaos as THE threat, support of the spiky product line will grant new background.
We have yet to see major conflicts between chaos and non-human factions. Shadow in the warp vs denizens of the warp, etc

Abstract Catalyst wrote:Looking at it purely from a neutral viewpoint: nothing in the universe stands the faintest chance against the Tyranids. Even victories against them are Pyhrric, as it simply acts to make them stronger. There is simply nothing any species can do to stop them, not unless every single species was willing to join forces - which I can see the Tau and Eldar being willing to do, but the Imperium has sealed its fate by being so xenophobic, Chaos are too hateful, Orks are too warlike and Dark Eldar could possibly ally with other races, but are likely too fickle and arrogant to form any meaningful allegiance with anyone.

Eldar are known to fight along if it furthers their goals. Tau are too blind to the danger. Imperium has cross-species alliances in the fluff, codex nids IIRC, and is willing to go to any lengths to stop the nids. Orks already engaged the nids. DE deem them pets yet, but who needs DE? bunch of pirates makes not that difference. Chaos has lost resources to nids and surely isn't going to share the price, ie a galaxy to be taken with nids. Necrons just annihilate them where they met. So basically sooner or later nids will face a whole galaxy arranged against them. With seperate hive-fleets roaming around, its not neccessary to have a united front. The "job" of the nids is to be the monster in the dark, hidden in the void, but certainly not invincible.

Void__Dragon wrote:
The Necrons are THE worst opponent for Tyranids,

Looking forward to necron dex swatting nids left right and center.
The fiercest competition is those for food and I doubt the undead of 40k are unwilling to have taken a "time-out" just to see their plate emptied before they even had a chance to grab a piece of the cake.

Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:

Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihalated.

100 space marines can and have defeated a single hive fleet.

What idiot wrote that? So 100 people single handedly killed billions of Tyranids. That's just bad writing.


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1hadhq wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
If you removed plot armour, Macragge would have been nom'd.

If you remove plot armor, bugs go extinct in seconds.

Trillions of bugs in the void of space. No.

TrollPie wrote:
If you wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, Terra starves. If Terra starves, Terra loses defenders. If Terra loses defenders, Terra becomes vulnerable.

If you survive the attention of the IoM on your way to the agri-worlds...

Why wouldn't you? There's lightyears of space between planets. Just spotting a fleet manouvering out there is unlikely.

TrollPie wrote:
Every chapter of SM? Just over 1,000,000 marines. Against the combined might of, say, 3 Hive Fleets they would be annihilated.

Combined might? Say goodbye to the nids.
A single small fleet of necron ships easily destroys a hive fleet.
Remember the new BF of the IoM?

So every Marine single handedly kills one million creatures? 1,000,000 people could take a planet. Maybe a star system. Over a few millenia, they might actually accomplish something noteworthy without support. But unaided they aren't that hard to destroy.

TrollPie wrote: One million people, no matter how tough, can't handle billions of critters at once.

W M D

That works both ways you know.

TrollPie wrote:
Mars could be destroyed from orbit, as there isn't enough biomass to make it worth taking.

Destroyed from orbit by nids? the species without such weapons?

Not that hard to create them. A powerful virus, large helium bombs, billions of spore mines...

TrollPie wrote:
Any reinforcements whatsoever would probably get lost. Who knows what the Shadow in the Warp would do to the Astronomican.

Who knows what the God Emperor will do to the hivemind?
We bring the light where shadow is

We have no idea how they'll interact. However once all the psykers in the Astronomican go insane...

No those 100 marines did not destroy millions of critters by themselves, they killed the important ones like the Queen and destroyed all the big synapse creatures then all those critters went insane and began eating each other mostly. Also the idiot who wrote these several occasions were mostly GW. I don't understand how you can continue to blame plot armor when the marines win every battle they win this way. It's either they cut the head off the army and win or fail and lose everyone they do not fight every single nid in the fleet to beat them.

TrollPie wrote:
There are often millions of synapse creatures within a Tyranid swarm, and each one of these is one of their most powerful creatures-Hive Tyrants, Tervigons, Carnifexes and even bio-titans. Even if 100 people were somehow powerful enough to kill Titans by themeselves, they would still have to fight their way through hordes of smaller bugs to reach the synapse creatures. Marines are good-but not that good.

Did you notice its possible to quote a certain piece you want to reply to, not the gathered posts of half of the thread?
May be better to read.

Secondly, its pointless to get upset by GW fluff like you seem to be here. Actually lots of examples of whole forces singlehandedly dealt with by characters happened in codices and I think you are aware it will happen again. If not marines, sly marbo could do it.

TrollPie wrote:
I was exaggerating. Still, billions of bugs can't be killed with one 'I win' button.

Until the "i win button" is one of the game designers...

TrollPie wrote:
You're dodging the question here.

No. I refrain from exaggerating.

Sucessfully assailing the source pretty much invalidates the oh so great overwhelming numbers.
Marines know where they can fight and choose their battles. So they don't have to beat each nid one by one.
Plus, billions are only countable if every single bacteria sized nid counts. And you don't want to claim anything smaller than gants count, don't you?

TrollPie wrote:
You seem to think it takes minutes to kill billions upon billions of creatures that are smart, powerful and adapt quickly to whatever you throw at them.

Not smart, not too powerful to overcome, and too slow to adapt to what is thrown at them if its varied enough.
Nids have been beaten before and this will continue.
If you could stop imagining non-existant sizes of nid forces for a minute, it would be possible to accept that amassed forces have a big
"please hit me" sign painted on them in a universe filled with weapons able to destroy whole planets.
How many minutes does it take to end all life depends on the time you need to load, aim and fire and thus less than an hour isn't impossible....

TrollPie wrote:
You really hate Tyranids, don't you? Necrons don't see Tyranids as worth harvesting because they have no souls. Necrons also haven't woken up yet: as Brother Coa said, without some imaginary scenario where they all awaken at once they aren't a threat.

Nothing against nids as they are.
But your futile attempt to paint disagreement as hate is obvious. Is there a reason to declare anyone outside the fan-camp a hater?

Necrons care nothing for souls, but thats the common mistake and we don't need to drive the thread offtrack into space robot country.
Expect a faction with a codex to come to be a threat.
No scenario neccessary as they already deal with nids who tresspass.