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TrollPie wrote:
I tried, it's not there. That thread is 10 months old....

I found it! The only mention of Chaos Gods was the reasonable assumption that, if the Tau ruled the galaxy, their small Warp presence wouldn't feed the Gods enough and they would starve. Which makes sense IMHO.
But wait! Off topic! Return to bickering Dakkanauts!

Also, it was only 3 months old. Hah!

Good job, here is a chese for reward.
And again, Beef said Tau kill Chaos gods. Kill them like - KILL them.
That is impossible. As well as Tau ruling the galaxy.

The Tau starving them due to their low Warp signatures is not really that impossible.

Void__Dragon wrote:The Tau starving them due to their low Warp signatures is not really that impossible.

Think about it. If Tau ruling the galaxy then Emperor is dead. And what is the only thing keeping Chaos gods in Warp space?

The fact that they are too powerful to manifest physically like Daemons do?

Brother Coa wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:The Tau starving them due to their low Warp signatures is not really that impossible.

Think about it. If Tau ruling the galaxy then Emperor is dead. And what is the only thing keeping Chaos gods in Warp space?

But with no humanity to fuel them, the Chaos Gods are more of a nuisance than a threat. At the moment, it's like a pack of lions at the gates-but without Warp sensitive life, it's more like some rats inside the castle.

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:The Tau starving them due to their low Warp signatures is not really that impossible.

Think about it. If Tau ruling the galaxy then Emperor is dead. And what is the only thing keeping Chaos gods in Warp space?

But with no humanity to fuel them, the Chaos Gods are more of a nuisance than a threat. At the moment, it's like a pack of lions at the gates-but without Warp sensitive life, it's more like some rats inside the castle.

Orks are fueling them to, beings from other galaxies also ( my assumption, but not impossible ). And in order to kill them one must go into the Warp witch is impossible for Tau.
And how can you kill immortal being who will just come back ( lie their servants )? That assumption is so unrealistic as well as his assumption that there is more Fire Warriors then Guardsman in the galaxy...

Brother Coa wrote:Orks are fueling them to, beings from other galaxies also ( my assumption, but not impossible ). And in order to kill them one must go into the Warp witch is impossible for Tau.
And how can you kill immortal being who will just come back ( lie their servants )? That assumption is so unrealistic as well as his assumption that there is more Fire Warriors then Guardsman in the galaxy...

Orks fuel Gork and Mork, not the Chaos Gods, and the Gods are galactic entities, not universal. And no, you don't need to go into the Warp, and with only the Tau ruling the galaxy, the Chaos Gods would be weak.

Though yeah, the notion that there are more Fire Warriors than Guardsmen is absurd.

But we are drifting off-topic.

Imperium gets nommed by Tyranids, enslaved by Chaos, harvested by Necrons/C'tan, or pummeled by Orkz, realistically.

But with plot armour, of course the Imperium will prevail.

Void__Dragon wrote:
But with plot armour, of course the Imperium will prevail.

Quite right, we have Ultramarines and what you have?

Brother Coa wrote:Quite right, we have Ultramarines and what you have?

Well, it is no secret the C'tan cannot compare to the plot armour of the Ultramarines.

It is so strong it can make the Nightbringer forget it's incorporeal.

The imperium will fall and then this is what happens:

The orks say:
Awww... no more 'hummies to stomp.

The 'nids say:
Awww... no more food.

The tau say:
uh oh...

The necrons say:
Back to sleep!

The eldar say:
Nothing. They're already dead

Chaos says:
Nothing. They're just manifestations of human fears

GW says:
Better try to turn all the 40k fans into fantasy fans...

(in other words bad stuff happens)

I'm just going to throw my opinion to be stompe... d I mean, negotiated.

Whether or not Big E dies, or lives, we can't forget several MAJOR players in the 40k universe, specifically the Primarchs. I mean, a good amount of them went traitor, and alot of the loyalist ones died, but there are some that are just missing, like Leman Russ, and Lion El'Johnson. (Plus we got all the fluff in books and codexes talking about how Gulliman might be getting healed...)

Another thing I look at is the IOM had a massive civil war, which caused major devestation for the race in general. But maybe, some of those that became traitors will start aiding the IOM. I don't mean openly, because lets face it, if any loyal citizen of the Imperium saw a Chaos Marnie, chances are, if they could kill it, they would, (or just run like hell failing that.) I mean, there are three traitor legions in my opinion that got "duped" or "screwed over". The first, and biggest would be the Thousand Sons of course, now granted, whats happened with Ahriman, Magnus, and the Rubricae, the Sphess Wolves would just kill them.

Then there's the Alpha Legion, a legion much debated about, (especially on this site a few weeks ago). I mean, they fought with the traitors becauase they knew the threat of the Dark Gods, and saw a way of saving the galaxy. (Of course, this is based off of that topic, and the book "Legion" by Dan Abnett.

Third, there's the Emperors Children, who followed their Primarch willingly, but we must remeber, that Fulgrim got duped by a daemon in a sword he picked up during the GC. So, he's not actually Fulgrim, but an entire different entity who possess Fulgrims body, and the Legion follows him, though, it like many other traitor legions, have split into many different warbands.

Of course, we can't forget the xenos, seeing that the nids and orks are going at it in a system not too far away from Segmentum Solar, and lets face it, whoever wins that battle is going to be a SERIOUS problem for the IOM. Necrons are waking up, Tau are invading, (but only in the eastern fringe), the Eldar and Dark Eldar are struggling to survive, so there's lots of factors to be taken into account.

Afterall, GW calls this time in Imperial history, the "Time of Ending".

One last theroy. According to a BL short story called "The Labyrinth" in the "Heroes of the Space Marines" novel, a renegade band of Sphess Marines called the "Sons of Malice" have sacrificed their finest 9 soilders and have summoned a Chaos God called Malice, the Renegade God, into the Material universe.

Now start stomping.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Quite right, we have Ultramarines and what you have?

Well, it is no secret the C'tan cannot compare to the plot armour of the Ultramarines.

It is so strong it can make the Nightbringer forget it's incorporeal.

And then comes Calgar adn hits him in the head with his fists...
No more C'Tan


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ajax22 wrote:The imperium will fall and then this is what happens:

The orks say:
Awww... no more 'hummies to stomp.

The 'nids say:
Awww... no more food.

The tau say:
uh oh...

The necrons say:
Back to sleep!

The eldar say:
Nothing. They're already dead

Chaos says:
Nothing. They're just manifestations of human fears

GW says:
Better try to turn all the 40k fans into fantasy fans...

(in other words bad stuff happens)

No Imperium = No more Humans as powerful faction and that sucks. Sci-Fi without Humans are boring.

Brother Coa wrote:


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No Imperium = No more Humans as powerful faction and that sucks. Sci-Fi without Humans are boring.

+1 Very true.

I agree. who would play if there weren't the buff guys in big armor to come in and kill all evil. and if there were no good guys what would happen to evil...

Brother Coa wrote:No Imperium = No more Humans as powerful faction and that sucks. Sci-Fi without Humans are boring.

The humans hide in Metahl Bawkses, the Kowardz, the FEWLZ!

They deserve to have their Metahl Bawkses taken away!

I doubt the Imperium or humans as a whole will ever disappear from the setting though, since neckbeards like to have a faction they can kinda relate to, which isn't as possible with the alien factions.

The void dragon is ment 2 be hiding on mars as the machine god and the machine god controls the machines of the IOM so if he awakens would he then be able 2 turn machine on the IOM and then they would be destroyed

Except that he's not so much hiding as comatose and imprisoned, supposedly.

If he did wake the IOM might have a rather shorter life expectancy, assuming that the does have complete control over every machine near him, which is a bit in the realm of theory, rather than fluff-fact (not that fluff facts are facts in this system anyway )

That said GW will never let him wake, as it would sod upi their setting too much.

Ascalam wrote:Except that he's not so much hiding as comatose and imprisoned, supposedly.

If he did wake the IOM might have a rather shorter life expectancy, assuming that the does have complete control over every machine near him, which is a bit in the realm of theory, rather than fluff-fact (not that fluff facts are facts in this system anyway )

That said GW will never let him wake, as it would sod upi their setting too much.

If he wakes up, and assuming he is at full power, he could make the entire system of Sol disappear, with ease.

The Void Dragon is largely responsible for the technology of the Imperium, losing him would also mean losing MArs, which is BAD.

Yup but that's a pretty big assumption that he is at full power. I would be very very happy if he did.

I'd like to see a future fluff where the Imperium loses SOL system and is carrying on without it, trying to survive. A codex Not-Fascist-Religious-Loony humans would go over well with me also. I'd be far more tempted to play humanity if they weren't as rabidly fundy..

I would love to run an Old-time religion Mechanicus army though If they ever release codex- adMech (unlikely) that's the way i'm going.

GW would just have the Big E suddenly 'get better' and autowin against him if they ever did allow him to wake, so i think i'd rather he stays put in the name of good creepy fluff, rather than IOM fanwank

There goes terra. there goes the IOM

+1 to admech codex.

With the new Necron Codex coming out "Allegedly", the C'Tan god in mars wakes up, and GW starts a new Global Battle to kick off 6th edition to determine the fate of the IOM and future releases. That would be a smart move IMHO.

How would it be a "smart move" to kill off the cornerstone of their multimillion dollar IP?

I didn't say "kill off." I am suggesting a new Cornerstone in the WH40K Universe. Void dragon wakes up from his nap, blows up a large portion of the Imperium (who manages to keep Earth intact) and begins a new struggle on par with a Black Crusade. Which would add more darkgrim to the ending of the universe. I think it would be a smart move to change things up and "ruffle a few feathers" in the WH40k Community. I don't think there would be a negative reaction like "I hate Space Marines Now and Forever!" lol

I would bet a few strategic fluff bits are waiting go off if that were the case and foil the C'Tan, or even that the sleeping one is not pleased with his brothers, after all, he did get put there all alone by the Emperor way back before there wewre space craft, meaning the Emperor could mentally teleport to Mars and slap the Void Dragon into it.

Makes me wonder if they intend to do that,,,, wake him and get him back amongst humanity?

The Imperium has no defined fate, like Tzeentch has no ending goal, it could all go seperate ways.

If the Orks decide to invade with a massive WAARGH, the Imperium will be wiped out, they'll kill everyone on Terra, turn on each other and have a planet wide brawl, which we all know creates orky saplings, turning Terra into an Ork World.

If the 'nids pass by, which they will, the planet will be left barren for anyone else to fight over.

Chaos may decide to instigate Horus Heresy part 2 and perhaps turn Terra into a Daemon World, but most likely they'll move in when the 'nids are done eating.

Tau and Eldar won't care.

Dark Eldar may opportunise and turn it into a second Commoragh.

The Necrons will awake from their catacombs beneath Terra's surface and take over, wipe out everything in the material universe then go back to sleep, meanwhile Chaos has been waiting in the Warp for the mass genocide to pass, then take Terra and start fighting again.

These are only my views though.

Neophiles94 wrote:The Imperium has no defined fate, like Tzeentch has no ending goal, it could all go seperate ways.

If the Orks decide to invade with a massive WAARGH, the Imperium will be wiped out, they'll kill everyone on Terra, turn on each other and have a planet wide brawl, which we all know creates orky saplings, turning Terra into an Ork World.

If the 'nids pass by, which they will, the planet will be left barren for anyone else to fight over.

Chaos may decide to instigate Horus Heresy part 2 and perhaps turn Terra into a Daemon World, but most likely they'll move in when the 'nids are done eating.

Tau and Eldar won't care.

Dark Eldar may opportunise and turn it into a second Commoragh.

The Necrons will awake from their catacombs beneath Terra's surface and take over, wipe out everything in the material universe then go back to sleep, meanwhile Chaos has been waiting in the Warp for the mass genocide to pass, then take Terra and start fighting again.

These are only my views though.

You make it sound so easy to just walk up to Terra and take it. Even if the Orks unite or the Nids come it's not a sure fire thing. The orks for the most part don't even know what Terra is. Also if Nids or crons win then Chaos dies too it doesn't take over the empty galaxy. There will be nothing worshipping them and they will starve if Nids win and Crons want to seal off the warp completely as It's like the only thing that hurts C'tan. And Tau and Eldar would care as the only real thing keeping them from being massively outnumbered by things that actively want to murder them is the IOM.

I don't think that if the IOM goes, which it won't only due to GW, it will not be to one single race. It will be that they are fighting multiple forces from all sides.

Nicholas wrote:

Neophiles94 wrote:The Imperium has no defined fate, like Tzeentch has no ending goal, it could all go seperate ways.

If the Orks decide to invade with a massive WAARGH, the Imperium will be wiped out, they'll kill everyone on Terra, turn on each other and have a planet wide brawl, which we all know creates orky saplings, turning Terra into an Ork World.

If the 'nids pass by, which they will, the planet will be left barren for anyone else to fight over.

Chaos may decide to instigate Horus Heresy part 2 and perhaps turn Terra into a Daemon World, but most likely they'll move in when the 'nids are done eating.

Tau and Eldar won't care.

Dark Eldar may opportunise and turn it into a second Commoragh.

The Necrons will awake from their catacombs beneath Terra's surface and take over, wipe out everything in the material universe then go back to sleep, meanwhile Chaos has been waiting in the Warp for the mass genocide to pass, then take Terra and start fighting again.

These are only my views though.

You make it sound so easy to just walk up to Terra and take it. Even if the Orks unite or the Nids come it's not a sure fire thing. The orks for the most part don't even know what Terra is. Also if Nids or crons win then Chaos dies too it doesn't take over the empty galaxy. There will be nothing worshipping them and they will starve if Nids win and Crons want to seal off the warp completely as It's like the only thing that hurts C'tan. And Tau and Eldar would care as the only real thing keeping them from being massively outnumbered by things that actively want to murder them is the IOM.

I don't think that if the IOM goes, which it won't only due to GW, it will not be to one single race. It will be that they are fighting multiple forces from all sides.

I agree with these points in all aspects, but it would be awesome if during a second Battle For Terra between Chaos and Loyalists if both Ork and 'Nid races just attacked and both sides of Marines just looked at each other and though "This ain't over between us, but like hell are we passing up a battle like this..."

In the Rulebook Fluff area, near the end off the imperium the High Lords of Terra are pushed out of office and the Space Marine Chapters go on a crusade and reclaim the worlds which are then space marine owned

Botten3 wrote:In the Rulebook Fluff area, near the end off the imperium the High Lords of Terra are pushed out of office and the Space Marine Chapters go on a crusade and reclaim the worlds which are then space marine owned

No. This never happened.