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hellspawn22 wrote:Whoa... this is some crazy stuff. I mean, it changes everything!! I don't know who I am anymore...

I know right?

Brother Coa wrote:First of all Malcador would see trough it ( he was the 2'nd most powerful psyker in the Imperium. ). Second, if the Emperor died truly then nothing of this would happened today as he would kill all of the Chaos Gods before he would reborn ( Star Child ). Third, Horus wanted to make Milky Way one big Eye of Terror witch not happened. Fourt, if that would happened Eldar would react since they are not to kind of their galaxy turning into the Eye of Terror. Fifth, any further objection of my claims will be considered heresy and it iwll result in *BLAM*-ing.

1. Yes its true that Malcador was powerful but he was also hooked up to the Golden throne at the time so for that reasoning, it is said in the story, that Horus pulled another fast one and used his chaos powers to turn Malcador into dust before he could raise the alarm...
2. same reason as troll
3. same reason as troll
4. Rendered null because of reasons listed above
5. I'm an ork so therefore outside Imperial jurisdiction, bit me Yarrick...

I consider the story plausible and mind twisting in the extreme...

Nicholas wrote:Also isn't it accepted canon that Horus was obliterated. This is also assuming that he cloaked the Emperors body while it was halfway across the galaxy to look like him, and that the Emperor's Children purposely cloned the Emperor, because the theory says the other Primarch's knew of the treachery.

These points are yet to be refuted for all those who see no holes in the Horus thing

Nicholas wrote:

Nicholas wrote:Also isn't it accepted canon that Horus was obliterated. This is also assuming that he cloaked the Emperors body while it was halfway across the galaxy to look like him, and that the Emperor's Children purposely cloned the Emperor, because the theory says the other Primarch's knew of the treachery.

These points are yet to be refuted for all those who see no holes in the Horus thing

1. Yeah, sure, its accepted that Horus was obliterated...by the Imperium, plus, since when has any canon been safe from retcon?
2. Describe what you mean by halfway across the galaxy as I'm pretty sure they battled on board the bridge of that ship and therefore would be feet from each other...
3. Its insinuated by the story that the Chaos marines found out that Horus had used them to become the new Emperor and had let them taken the fall, therefore its possible that, not unlike the alpha legion, The chaos forces could either be still loyal to the Emperor or just want to get Horus back for what he did and would therefore have to go through the Imperium's forces who are convinced that the one who sits on the Throne is the Emperor. Knowing this, its not hard to see why the Emperor's children would want to clone the Emperor, to get back at Horus.

I would also like to add that at the end of this short story, the interogatee spoke to a daemon who insisted that it did not matter if the Inquisitor had believed the story or not, but that the seeds of doubt had been placed, its possible taht the story was made up by Tzeentch to corrupt members of the Inquisition.

WARORK93 wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Nicholas wrote:Also isn't it accepted canon that Horus was obliterated. This is also assuming that he cloaked the Emperors body while it was halfway across the galaxy to look like him, and that the Emperor's Children purposely cloned the Emperor, because the theory says the other Primarch's knew of the treachery.

These points are yet to be refuted for all those who see no holes in the Horus thing

1. Yeah, sure, its accepted that Horus was obliterated...by the Imperium, plus, since when has any canon been safe from retcon?
2. Describe what you mean by halfway across the galaxy as I'm pretty sure they battled on board the bridge of that ship and therefore would be feet from each other...
3. Its insinuated by the story that the Chaos marines found out that Horus had used them to become the new Emperor and had let them taken the fall, therefore its possible that, not unlike the alpha legion, The chaos forces could either be still loyal to the Emperor or just want to get Horus back for what he did and would therefore have to go through the Imperium's forces who are convinced that the one who sits on the Throne is the Emperor. Knowing this, its not hard to see why the Emperor's children would want to clone the Emperor, to get back at Horus.

I would also like to add that at the end of this short story, the interogatee spoke to a daemon who insisted that it did not matter if the Inquisitor had believed the story or not, but that the seeds of doubt had been placed, its possible taht the story was made up by Tzeentch to corrupt members of the Inquisition.

It is clearly stated by GW, could be propaganda, but doubtful.
Horus's or if the theory is true the Emperor's body was carried halfway across the galaxy to the eye so the illusion would fade leaving Abbadon holding the corpse of Big E.
If that was true then the entire world of 40K is thrown on it's ass as all the traitor primarch's are demon princes and actively worship chaos, denouncing both the Imperium and the Emperor as well as summoning demons and slaughtering the innocent populations of planets not just the soldiers in their way. It would take so much retconning to make them say, oh we were just kidding about all the demonic stuff we're actually on your side. Also why would abbadodon kill the clones then.

Nicholas wrote:It is clearly stated by GW, could be propaganda, but doubtful.
Horus's or if the theory is true the Emperor's body was carried halfway across the galaxy to the eye so the illusion would fade leaving Abbadon holding the corpse of Big E.
If that was true then the entire world of 40K is thrown on it's ass as all the traitor primarch's are demon princes and actively worship chaos, denouncing both the Imperium and the Emperor as well as summoning demons and slaughtering the innocent populations of planets not just the soldiers in their way. It would take so much retconning to make them say, oh we were just kidding about all the demonic stuff we're actually on your side. Also why would abbadodon kill the clones then.

Hey, I said it was plausible, I didn't say it was likely...

I know but somebody said it had no holes. So I poked some.

I shall burn these heretics in the name of the Emperor !!!
But honestly me and my guardsmen should consider the path of chaos as a viable method of survival .... Damn it im a heretic now .

WARORK93 wrote:
1. Yes its true that Malcador was powerful but he was also hooked up to the Golden throne at the time so for that reasoning, it is said in the story, that Horus pulled another fast one and used his chaos powers to turn Malcador into dust before he could raise the alarm...
2. same reason as troll
3. same reason as troll
4. Rendered null because of reasons listed above
5. I'm an ork so therefore outside Imperial jurisdiction, bit me Yarrick...

I consider the story plausible and mind twisting in the extreme...

What did I tell you? Well WARORK93, it was nice knowing you

on the original question i reckon GW has sort of made a mistake with all of the fluff it has released in the latest edition codex's. i mean, because it has bigged up the Necron awakening as well as the Tyranid swarming toward the Astronomican bug zapper and the Golden Throne Failure it has written itself into a corner with only few outcomes. In the past we only ever got glimpses as to how powerful each army could be but now they've blown a gasket and just unleashed everything.

anyway i have a comparison for the fate of the imperium if you'll have it? I don't think it will be a planet wide battle that finishes off the imperium, it will be a tale of heroic last stands all across the imperium(kinda like when the jedi get executed in star wars) and in the end you have the golden armour of the custodes standing on the battlements of the i mperial palace and seeing their doom as the world crumbles under a billion enemies(cue the dramatic music).
Does anyone know how the Roman Empire fell? it was not a great and epic battle but a slow decline, sped up by the greed of its inhabitants but at the end of the Roman Empire all was not lost, for in the east another Empire took hold, formerly part of the Roman Empire and now known as Ultramar. oh wait no, Byzantium. do you reckon this is the fate of the Imperium? if GW is based on the themes and tales of history as much as we think then why not?

i await your thoughts my friends.

@ Garviel : Sadly not impossible to see the background reduced to "ultra = hurr x2 ".

If the basic line of thought of "end times" would be about the imperium , then yes likely to happen.
But funnily we got the end of the species instead....

Brother Coa wrote:What did I tell you? Well WARORK93, it was nice knowing you

Your laspistol is going to give me a bad nosebleed? Prepare to be introduced to gratuitous amounts of DAKKA

It's an interesting point to see how GW is going to write their ways out of this one. But maybe they're planning on just saying "Feth it" and doing a backflip into a volcano, taking all of us with them.



On a more serious note, maybe something will go wrong with the Necrons, and maybe the Tyranids will... umm... go home?

hellspawn22 wrote:It's an interesting point to see how GW is going to write their ways out of this one. But maybe they're planning on just saying "Feth it" and doing a backflip into a volcano, taking all of us with them.

Spoiler:

Breaking news: Tabletop Wargame Company Games Workshop turns out to be a bunch of trolls screwing with people! Initial reports say that lulz of this magnitude have not been seen in this universe before!

On a more serious note, maybe something will go wrong with the Necrons, and maybe the Tyranids will... umm... go home?

They don't have to. Even if the Imperium of Man loses every single battle against the Necrons and the Tyranids it will still take a long time for a million worlds to fall.

Well I, for one, will be very sad and not give GW any more gold if they make the IoM even more doomed. It's hard enough to remain faithful as it is.

hellspawn22 wrote:

TrollPie wrote:
5. Oh yeah? Well I'm the God Emporer of Mankind and I disagree.

The Emperor would be able to correctly spell "Emperor". You are obviously a fraud.

The Emporer would use the Segmentum Solar spelling rather than that moronic Segmentum Pacificus spelling, therefore it is you that is the fraud.


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KingDeath wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:It's an interesting point to see how GW is going to write their ways out of this one. But maybe they're planning on just saying "Feth it" and doing a backflip into a volcano, taking all of us with them.

Spoiler:

Breaking news: Tabletop Wargame Company Games Workshop turns out to be a bunch of trolls screwing with people! Initial reports say that lulz of this magnitude have not been seen in this universe before!

On a more serious note, maybe something will go wrong with the Necrons, and maybe the Tyranids will... umm... go home?

They don't have to. Even if the Imperium of Man loses every single battle against the Necrons and the Tyranids it will still take a long time for a million worlds to fall.

Unless they head straight for Terra, wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, and after a few years of growing invade and take out the Astronomican. It doesn't matter how many die, as long as the Astronomican goes down the Imperium is screwed.

WARORK93 wrote:
Your laspistol is going to give me a bad nosebleed? Prepare to be introduced to gratuitous amounts of DAKKA

Spoiler:

Damn xeno, then eat bolter, chainsword, power axe, thunder hammer... eat everything!!!
And stay dead!!!





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TrollPie wrote:
Unless they head straight for Terra, wipe out the nearby agri-worlds, and after a few years of growing invade and take out the Astronomican. It doesn't matter how many die, as long as the Astronomican goes down the Imperium is screwed.

Tyranids would be raped there...
And raped HARD.....
Against the finest defense of the Imperium + Mars + Grey Knights + the Imperium now knows how to deal with them...
They would just, die. They didn't succeed in taking Macragge why do you think they are able to take Terra?

But Segmentum Pacificus has all sorts of cool stuff. Solar just has two planets that no post-HH anything takes place on!

And I think the 'nids would become dead, fast. I mean, the Mechanicus would deploy all sorts of titan, and i bet just about every chapter of SM would show up. It would be a bad show for everyone if the Tyranids showed up with serious strength, but I'm confident that we could hold them off.

Brother Coa wrote:First of all Malcador would see trough it ( he was the 2'nd most powerful psyker in the Imperium. ). Second, if the Emperor died truly then nothing of this would happened today as he would kill all of the Chaos Gods before he would reborn ( Star Child ). Third, Horus wanted to make Milky Way one big Eye of Terror witch not happened. Fourt, if that would happened Eldar would react since they are not to kind of their galaxy turning into the Eye of Terror. Fifth, any further objection of my claims will be considered heresy and it iwll result in *BLAM*-ing.

1. Malador wasn't as powerful as Magnus, and he was nowhere near as powerful as Chaos Empowered Horus as a psyker. Not to mention, by the time the Emperor (Or rather... Horus ) was brought to the Golden Throne to be put inside it, Malcador was dead, crumbled to dust because he was unable to handle the Golden Throne.

2. Star Child is a theory, a very, very old and outdated theory.

3. Horus wanted to rule the Imperium in the Emperor's stead... Which he now would.

4. The Eldar are not omniscient, no matter what they say. Chaos can and has blocked their visions before, Horus could as well.

5. I'll just get back up though.

Granted, it is likely not true, for other reasons, chief among them being that the current state of the Imperium is almost exactly what Horus was trying to prevent.

Gosh, at least pick out the right plotholes.

And the Imperium is doomed. The fluff makes that very clear. It is slowly dying, it can only grow weaker, its only hope being an outdated theory, whereas the possibilities of other factions, Tyranids fully arriving, Necrons waking up and C'tan restored to former glory, etc, are all very possible. Some are even probable.

That is why the story does not really progress. As doomed as the Imperium is, their incredible plot armour bends space and time so that the setting is fixed in the year 40k.

Chaos will be victorious,Space marines will perish.

bib wrote:Chaos will be victorious,Space marines will perish.

To believe such things is heresy in its truest form...

Even though Chaos being victorious is more likely than the Imperium being victorious?

Typical Imperial denial.

Void__Dragon wrote:Even though Chaos being victorious is more likely than the Imperium being victorious?

Typical Imperial denial.

Yep. Chaos is doing pretty well right now with the recent surge of Renegade Chapters combined with the 13th Black Crusade.

The Emperor's faithful will emerge victorious. Our armies are unmatched, our will is unbreakable. We will triumph over heretics and soulless Necrons alike. As well as everything else, eventually.

You know you wouldn't even have to attack Terra to destroy it. The plant is over industrialized and has to have comets flow in because it has no more water. Terra would fall from lack of supply before any army could actually reach it.

bib wrote:Chaos will be victorious,Space marines will perish.

Not while they are making money for GW...

LoneLictor wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:Even though Chaos being victorious is more likely than the Imperium being victorious?

Typical Imperial denial.

Yep. Chaos is doing pretty well right now with the recent surge of Renegade Chapters combined with the 13th Black Crusade.

Oh , really?

chaos in 5th ed is near nonexistant, their place in the background a sidenote. Look up the amount of fluff they get....

- traitor primarchs cut
- traitor marines eaten by nids
- traitors used to wipe the floor with when imperial forces are present

Obviously, 13 times of fail, ignorance to their own demise as ruinous means more often than not your own ruin, all of this clearly points to a grand victory........





They don't see it coming
And we don't need them to. Just die fething traitor scum.

This thread is full of and it's need some cleaning:

Per the Khadrovian Konfederacies priests in the Imperial Cult, we await the rebirth of the Emperor so that he will lead mankind to a new era of xenos and traitor ass kicking that will lead to an Imperium the likes of which should have been and still can be!
Humanity may be on the defensive, but as long as humanity survives, there is that chance that Humans, not Xenos, will dominate this galaxy!

The Imperium cannot lose.

Trillions of them!

They say there are 300-400 billion on individual hive worlds, humanity could beat everyone else with sticks!

Unless there is a way to transport all of them to the tyranid front it matters little how many people an imperial hiveworld has.