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Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

I do

Nicholas wrote:I do

Nice!

Master of Arms wrote:Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

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Master of Arms wrote:Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

The pyskers were to power the throne, because it takes a lot of power to keep a dead guy alive. Also, the Golden Throne canonically keeps his body and mind alive. If it fails, his mind ceases to work. Yeah, he might become a god, but what worth is a mindless god who can't think?

As I said earlier, I think humanity will survive due to its adaptability, something a lot of the other races lack. However, I doubt the Imperium and the Emperor will.

LoneLictor wrote:

Master of Arms wrote:Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

The pyskers were to power the throne, because it takes a lot of power to keep a dead guy alive. Also, the Golden Throne canonically keeps his body and mind alive. If it fails, his mind ceases to work. Yeah, he might become a god, but what worth is a mindless god who can't think?

As I said earlier, I think humanity will survive due to its adaptability, something a lot of the other races lack. However, I doubt the Imperium and the Emperor will.

Normally when a body die it's mind dies too that does not mean it's gone forever atleast in this case it obviously would go to the warp, where like the sensai who he is made of will be reborn again.

Nicholas wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Master of Arms wrote:Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

The pyskers were to power the throne, because it takes a lot of power to keep a dead guy alive. Also, the Golden Throne canonically keeps his body and mind alive. If it fails, his mind ceases to work. Yeah, he might become a god, but what worth is a mindless god who can't think?

As I said earlier, I think humanity will survive due to its adaptability, something a lot of the other races lack. However, I doubt the Imperium and the Emperor will.

Normally when a body die it's mind dies too that does not mean it's gone forever atleast in this case it obviously would go to the warp, where like the sensai who he is made of will be reborn again.

In my opinion he'll probably be destroyed by the united forces of the Chaos Gods if his mind went to the warp. He'd been weakened and on their turf, just a sitting duck. The Emperor is more powerful than any individual Chaos God (even Khorne), but all together they'd destroy him.

LoneLictor wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Master of Arms wrote:Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

The pyskers were to power the throne, because it takes a lot of power to keep a dead guy alive. Also, the Golden Throne canonically keeps his body and mind alive. If it fails, his mind ceases to work. Yeah, he might become a god, but what worth is a mindless god who can't think?

As I said earlier, I think humanity will survive due to its adaptability, something a lot of the other races lack. However, I doubt the Imperium and the Emperor will.

Normally when a body die it's mind dies too that does not mean it's gone forever atleast in this case it obviously would go to the warp, where like the sensai who he is made of will be reborn again.

In my opinion he'll probably be destroyed by the united forces of the Chaos Gods if his mind went to the warp. He'd been weakened and on their turf, just a sitting duck. The Emperor is more powerful than any individual Chaos God (even Khorne), but all together they'd destroy him.

My theory goes that this is true now, and is why he doesn't ask the custodes to gut him now. He is pooling energy in order to safely return to his former glory, when all the gods feared him. He's not going to destroy all four chaos gods on their turf as some say, IMO that is ridiculous, just return to the material realm safely where he can deal with them from afar.

As I said earlier, I think humanity will survive due to its adaptability, something a lot of the other races lack. However, I doubt the Imperium and the Emperor will.

Heretic! All of humanity must be united under the Holy God-Emperor of Mankind!

But in all seriousness, it would be good to see. Considerably less grimdark than the rest of the universe though, which might make it a problem. Either way, it's a shame to know that the massive strength of the Imperium probably won't be enough. But I think that as much as the Emperor is a uniting force, humanity would stick together in the event of his demise. After 10,000 years of aggressive xenophobia, in addition to the dangers forcing them together, humanity is a very unified body. But, I think with the Emperor and Ecclessiarchy gone, alliances with races like the Tau and Eldar are much more likely, as well as a renewed interest in technology. Cooperation and independent research could probably lead to a final triumph over evil. But in order for that to happen, the IoM has to collapse.

Master of Arms wrote:Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

Has anyone heard that story about the inquisitor who interrogates that one guy who tells him that Horus was put on the Throne and not the Emperor?

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*gets stared at*

WARORK93 wrote:

Master of Arms wrote:Why doesnt anyone ever seem to think that the Golden throne "Failing" is really the Emperor about to be reborn, and all those Psykers being sacrificed to him for the past 10,000 were his plan for him to be reborn and launch the second great crusade an lead mankind onward to a victory over the Ruinous powers.

Has anyone heard that story about the inquisitor who interrogates that one guy who tells him that Horus was put on the Throne and not the Emperor?

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*gets stared at*

Holy ****. I want to read that story. Sounds interesting. What's it called?

LoneLictor wrote:Holy ****. I want to read that story. Sounds interesting. What's it called?

Hold on, lemme find it, cant remember the name, but let me tell you it turned my world upside down when I read it...

The IoM is doomed. It's like their thing. Everything about them says borrowed time. They don't renew themselves. I guess bige E might just wake up and do a brake dance, but it dosen't fit.

Also why do they need the big E to come and save them? Can't they save themselves?

Ok you say today's government? For the US is a ass backwards bureaucratic cluster feth. Now multiply that to span a million planets and you are on the right track for the Imperium. Do you honestly think they will renew themselves?

Okay, so apparently the real short story has been lost but I found a discussion thread in a guy's blog for it...

http://ceramite.blogspot.com/2010/12/horus-on-throne-eh-wat.html

Basically it boils down to this: Horus lived through the fight and the Emperor died, when the two were found, Horus used his psychic powahs to trick the loyalists into thinking he was the Emperor, therefore, Horus would be sitting on the Throne and would be being worshipped by a galaxy spanning Empire that at the same time, curses his name...

Whoa... this is some crazy stuff. I mean, it changes everything!! I don't know who I am anymore...

hellspawn22 wrote:Whoa... this is some crazy stuff. I mean, it changes everything!! I don't know who I am anymore...

It has a few holes...it is simply fan made and not true...

Brother Coa wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:Whoa... this is some crazy stuff. I mean, it changes everything!! I don't know who I am anymore...

It has a few holes...it is simply fan made and not true...

Lol, it's a great story. Though unlikely, there weren't any plot holes as far as I'm aware of.

There are 'official' fluff things that have more plot holes.

Such is life in 40k fluff

LoneLictor wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:Whoa... this is some crazy stuff. I mean, it changes everything!! I don't know who I am anymore...

It has a few holes...it is simply fan made and not true...

Lol, it's a great story. Though unlikely, there weren't any plot holes as far as I'm aware of.

First of all Malcador would see trough it ( he was the 2'nd most powerful psyker in the Imperium. ). Second, if the Emperor died truly then nothing of this would happened today as he would kill all of the Chaos Gods before he would reborn ( Star Child ). Third, Horus wanted to make Milky Way one big Eye of Terror witch not happened. Fourt, if that would happened Eldar would react since they are not to kind of their galaxy turning into the Eye of Terror. Fifth, any further objection of my claims will be considered heresy and it iwll result in *BLAM*-ing.

Personally I think the IoM is screwed. The Emporer is dying, and any theories on his rebirth are pure speculation. For all we know he could have been dead for 10,000 years and everyone is being told that he's alive to give them hope.
If the timeline is ever advanced, I think the Imperium will go down fighting against a horde of xenos, daemons and heretics in a massive epic battle. After years of fighting the IoM will be shattered and destroyed...until Ward retcons it.

TrollPie wrote:Personally I think the IoM is screwed. The Emporer is dying, and any theories on his rebirth are pure speculation. For all we know he could have been dead for 10,000 years and everyone is being told that he's alive to give them hope.
If the timeline is ever advanced, I think the Imperium will go down fighting against a horde of xenos, daemons and heretics in a massive epic battle. After years of fighting the IoM will be shattered and destroyed...until Ward retcons it.

If they do advance the timeline it will never be so far that anyone dies out, bad for business and all that

Brother Coa wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:Whoa... this is some crazy stuff. I mean, it changes everything!! I don't know who I am anymore...

It has a few holes...it is simply fan made and not true...

Lol, it's a great story. Though unlikely, there weren't any plot holes as far as I'm aware of.

First of all Malcador would see trough it ( he was the 2'nd most powerful psyker in the Imperium. ). Second, if the Emperor died truly then nothing of this would happened today as he would kill all of the Chaos Gods before he would reborn ( Star Child ). Third, Horus wanted to make Milky Way one big Eye of Terror witch not happened. Fourt, if that would happened Eldar would react since they are not to kind of their galaxy turning into the Eye of Terror. Fifth, any further objection of my claims will be considered heresy and it iwll result in *BLAM*-ing.

1. Malcador was the 3rd most powerful psyker after Magnus.
2. The Star Child theory is complete speculation. It seems to me that you're buying in to Imperial propoganda.
3. Horus didn't want to turn the galaxy in to a second Eye of Terror. He wanted to rule mankind in place of the Emporer.
4. The Eldar wouldn't be able to do anything short of invading Terra itself. That wouldn't end well.
5. Oh yeah? Well I'm the God Emporer of Mankind and I disagree.


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Nicholas wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Personally I think the IoM is screwed. The Emporer is dying, and any theories on his rebirth are pure speculation. For all we know he could have been dead for 10,000 years and everyone is being told that he's alive to give them hope.
If the timeline is ever advanced, I think the Imperium will go down fighting against a horde of xenos, daemons and heretics in a massive epic battle. After years of fighting the IoM will be shattered and destroyed...until Ward retcons it.

If they do advance the timeline it will never be so far that anyone dies out, bad for business and all that

If GW is about to go bankrupt they may try it, just to give the universe some sort of end.

Also isn't it accepted canon that Horus was obliterated. This is also assuming that he cloaked the Emperors body while it was halfway across the galaxy to look like him, and that the Emperor's Children purposely cloned the Emperor, because the theory says the other Primarch's knew of the treachery.

Brother Coa wrote:
It has a few holes...it is simply fan made and not true...

Has holes like swiss cheese.

TrollPie wrote:Personally I think the IoM is screwed. The Emporer is dying, and any theories on his rebirth are pure speculation. For all we know he could have been dead for 10,000 years and everyone is being told that he's alive to give them hope.
If the timeline is ever advanced, I think the Imperium will go down fighting against a horde of xenos, daemons and heretics in a massive epic battle. After years of fighting the IoM will be shattered and destroyed...until Ward retcons it.

The Emperor lives...since the BRB tells us so.
GW could ruin it and end the species. ( mind you, it isn't Endtimes of IoM, its endtimes of humanity. ) But they could move slowly towards a more desperate struggle, nearly ending it and then crashing the company. New owner starts over from scratch and may ignore the ashes of M42. Aim for M30, where the money may be.....

TrollPie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

hellspawn22 wrote:Whoa... this is some crazy stuff. I mean, it changes everything!! I don't know who I am anymore...

It has a few holes...it is simply fan made and not true...

Lol, it's a great story. Though unlikely, there weren't any plot holes as far as I'm aware of.

First of all Malcador would see trough it ( he was the 2'nd most powerful psyker in the Imperium. ). Second, if the Emperor died truly then nothing of this would happened today as he would kill all of the Chaos Gods before he would reborn ( Star Child ). Third, Horus wanted to make Milky Way one big Eye of Terror witch not happened. Fourt, if that would happened Eldar would react since they are not to kind of their galaxy turning into the Eye of Terror. Fifth, any further objection of my claims will be considered heresy and it iwll result in *BLAM*-ing.

1. Malcador was the 3rd most powerful psyker after Magnus.
2. The Star Child theory is complete speculation. It seems to me that you're buying in to Imperial propoganda.
3. Horus didn't want to turn the galaxy in to a second Eye of Terror. He wanted to rule mankind in place of the Emporer.
4. The Eldar wouldn't be able to do anything short of invading Terra itself. That wouldn't end well.
5. Oh yeah? Well I'm the God Emporer of Mankind and I disagree.

Well Trollpie, it was nice knowing you...

TrollPie wrote:
5. Oh yeah? Well I'm the God Emporer of Mankind and I disagree.

The Emperor would be able to correctly spell "Emperor". You are obviously a fraud.

Since space marines sometimes have an issue with spelling 'kill' correctly, i'm sure the Big E is allowed a little dyslexia too.

(RT art, with a powerfist labelled kil,kil,kil.. )

1hadhq wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:
It has a few holes...it is simply fan made and not true...

Has holes like swiss cheese.

+1


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Nicholas wrote:Also isn't it accepted canon that Horus was obliterated. This is also assuming that he cloaked the Emperors body while it was halfway across the galaxy to look like him, and that the Emperor's Children purposely cloned the Emperor, because the theory says the other Primarch's knew of the treachery.

"The sacrifice of the Custodian bought the Emperor time to deliver a finishing blow to Horus. With iron resolve, he gathered his full strength and delivered a massive psychic blow that killed Horus almost instantly and obliterated his very soul. In his final moments, the powers of Chaos were driven from him and the Emperor sensed his favored son's return to sanity for a fraction of a second before he finally died."

From Lexicanum.