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Got mine

augustus5 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I welcome GW making more boxed games as I believe that is part of what made them a successful company in the 80s and 90s, which they seem to have lost.

I would love for GW to make more boxed games as well. But not for $115. Make them for $60 and I'd probably buy each and every one of them for no other reason than that I enjoy the background for both WHF and 40k, but I don't feel that the price they are asking is what I feel comfortable paying for a boxed game. I'd pay $115 as an entry point to a naval skirmish game set in the WHF world, that I could build a fleet for a specific race and expand upon it (Man 'O War?) but I don't see the value for a game that I'll probably play each scenario one time and then set it aside, or end up selling on ebay a year later.

115.00 is pretty much at the top end for Board Games right now, but comparing DF to other board games, the price is pretty much in line for what you get. FFG's big games are pushing into the same price range. Fortune and Glory came out this week at 100, with less stuff in it. Ikusa at 80.00 has less complex figures, but has excellant mechanics, and known quality. Lots of 50-60 boardgames that come with nothing but a board, stack of cards, and a d6 or two.

So while pushing the envelope a bit, not out of line at all, based on price vs. components. Everyone's going to have their own comfort zone for what they want to pay, but I think in this case the price is not at all out of line with the game. (Especially if you're a DCM )

Buying 30, but only keeping 2 for myself.

Would that be to stock in your shops then?

Pre-ordered yesterday.

Cost (for me, here in the U.S.A.) = $115

Worth = Dunno yet (my crystal ball is in the shop), as a large part of the "worth" is going to depend on how much enjoyment it provides. Having spent my $115, I am obviously calculating*, and hoping, that it will be worth it.

*Factors figuring into my personal calculation include (YM will obviously V):
- $115 is currently within my means (and, as others have explained, it is kinda the going rate for something like this, GW or not)
- I know I have at least one person to play against (and who will probably help with assembling/painting)
- No real worries about the quality of the components (does anyone really think they'll be sub-par?) and, to my eye, they are aesthetically pleasing
- Looks like fun (yes based on promotional info provided by the co. selling it. Guess I'm not as offended by cheesy voice overs as some )
- I like this kind of stuff

CptJake wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:As already said, its not worth it as a standalone game without expansion.
Moreover, I wouldn't count on falling prizes as its limited.

When I see "not worth it" and then "Don't count on falling prices" I always thing back to those supply demand curves from basic economics. If it was truly not worth it you COULD count on falling prices. Obviously it IS worth it if they sell out at a specific price point. Maybe not to you, but surely for GW and their shareholders as well as to the customers that buy it at that price point.

True. But 'not worth' is just my personal judgement. Space Hulk was a big success in the sense that has been 'sold out', same goes eventually with Dreadfleet.

I voted no..

1) Don't like that they didn't officially announce it till a week before release. Just. plain. stupid. moron. marketing.

2) Limited release and once it's sold out, it's gone for good.

that means, since I budget myself and can't afford to drop $115 in one go (on a game I'll play twice if I'm lucky), I'd have to save up an extra month's "fun stuff budget" .. by that time, it will be gone or there will be something else I'm more interested in, like hopefully new Necrons. (which they won't announce till a week before)

They should've done a 25th anniversary space hulk. Would've gotten my money that way.

Necros wrote:I voted no..

1) Don't like that they didn't officially announce it till a week before release. Just. plain. stupid. moron. marketing.

2) Limited release and once it's sold out, it's gone for good.

that means, since I budget myself and can't afford to drop $115 in one go (on a game I'll play twice if I'm lucky), I'd have to save up an extra month's "fun stuff budget" .. by that time, it will be gone or there will be something else I'm more interested in, like hopefully new Necrons. (which they won't announce till a week before)

Announcement was 17 Sep, release is 1 Oct. That would be a little more than a week on most calendars. Of course they could have annouced it 5 years ago, and due to your second point then further comments you probably would not have bought it anyway, so their announcement timeline is really a moot point for you.

well yeah, it's really the whole limited thing that bugs me the most... I could see doing that with a set of multi colored magic dice and little extras like that. I would have rather they just stuck to making models like always, and let a real boardgame company like Fantasy Flight take it over.

It's picking up interest in my FLGS. Two more guys are preordering and another one would if he had the cash.

Hmm... if multiple people within the same gaming group get a copy... what do you do? It's not like Hulk, where sets can be combined or where scenarios are generic enough to include two of the same thing (two guys with Lightning Claws, for example) - here each ship is a unique character, so what happens?

Will have to wait and see how it plays I guess.

I suppose you could alter the alliances a bit. Perhaps have the Araby one added to the 'baddies' and the Tomb King one added to the 'goodies' fleets.

My guess is the same thing that happens when multiple people in a gaming group own a copy of Monopoly? A $115 copy of Monopoly with very nice components.

They get renamed to have different captains that come from the same origins and as such share the same rules / benefits? Entire fleets made up of mechanical krakens etc etc?

what i dont understand is the motivation to try and transform this game into something its not. If GW had wanted to remake manowar they would have. Instead they released this. If you reallly want to have a fleet on fleet experience is it really worth rolling the dice on something like this in the hopes that it can be made to work for fleet oriented battles, instead of just buying into one of the already exisiting and cheaper systems.?

The GW universe just isnt that important to me as an aspect of game play to risk a 115$ on this.

No thanks.

I have to wonder how that might screw up the balance of the game.

EDIT: That's in response to Kitch.

Meh, twas just an answer to a question. I don't think it'd screw it up as you'd still have "good guys vs bad guys", just on a grander scale.

I dunno, I don't have enough experience to know if it'd work or not, I just see it as being more models and more dice tbh

I don't like the ships, it's overpriced AND made by Games Workshop.

I want to play the game for sure.. Im glad another in my group is buying it, cause I sure wont

CptJake wrote:The fact that Ebay scalpers can charge more is an indicator that GW may have set the price point too low for the amount of product they decided to produce.

I think it has more to do with the "limited quantities" than anything else, actually. eBay scalpers can charge more because when it's sold out it becomes a rare collectible. And then people see it and think "Oh jeez that's rare and worth a lot of money, I bet that'll only go up in value as time goes on so I better buy one and lock it away forever!"

Or pretty much what SilverMK2 already said, lol...

I love the idea of a self contained, out of the box game. I also like the quality of the GW box games.

Although that being said, I’m not really a fan of naval games or the $190AUD price tag. Also none of the promo material talks about how the rules work and as a rules buff, core functionality is important to me. I’d be tempted if the game was cheaper and came with more miniatures in the box.

There are some really good self contained boxed games at the moment like Castle Ravenloft, Pathfinder, SuperDungeon Explore and the Warmachine 2 Player battlebox (all of these can be expanded in some form). Realistically Dreadfleet should have a hard time competing with these products. That being said, GW probably has enough hard core fans quickly sell all of their copies of Dreadfleet.

LOL.

It looks silly, IMO. They wasted a large chunk of time making a boat game (Sounds worse each time I say it) When they could've been doing models for
-Crons
-Tau
-Eldar
You catch my drift. So I'll put £70 (For boats (MENTAL)) away for something, anything else.

Nearly got it as I find the idea intriguing, but changed my mind...I do know someone who's getting it so I should be able to have a few games anyway.

My reasons for not buying are the fact it seems quite expensive for what would have been an impulse buy, and the fact that I'm not sure I like the look of some of the wackier-looking models. For example, I don't think the Araby one needs a huge creature on the back blowing into the sails, I think the Elf one would have looked better with masts instead of towers, and one of them appears to have an actual stone castle on the deck. I would have much preferred more realistic-looking ships. I'm also surprised to see no Orc ships.

Depends on if it gets good reviews when it comes out.

sennacherib wrote:what i dont understand is the motivation to try and transform this game into something its not. If GW had wanted to remake manowar they would have.

The motivation comes from not wanting to support a Specialist Game. This game is a single box game, no other support needed.

Kilkrazy wrote:I welcome GW making more boxed games as I believe that is part of what made them a successful company in the 80s and 90s, which they seem to have lost.

I couldn't agree more. Plus I believe that with the mechanics there is a lot of room to see fan expansions, conversions, and scratch builds. I look forward to seeing all of that.

I think it's cool. Fantasy and naval are two tastes that aren't exactly part of my palette, but the toys look nice and hopefully the rules match. If someone had a set, I'd happily play it with them. I don't like that GW keeps making limited run boardgames, at least to the degree they have been though. $115 is a tad pricey for it, but compared to other boardgames of that quality that's pretty decent.

poipo32 wrote:I don't like the ships, it's overpriced AND made by Games Workshop.

As pointed out many times, it's actually not overpriced. It's sitting at the upper end of board game prices though, which is actually fair given the quality of miniatures and game mat provided.

Worth is a relative concept. To me, paying US$200 for Warhammer Quest and US$40-50 for each of the character packs was 'worth it'. To many, this game is not 'worth' the money. To Australians/New Zealanders/Japanese/anyone who isn't US or UK/Europe, this isn't worth anything at all...

Mr Mystery wrote:I suppose you could alter the alliances a bit. Perhaps have the Araby one added to the 'baddies' and the Tomb King one added to the 'goodies' fleets.

And for how long will players get blood from that particular stone before it starts to repeat itself?