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Space saurus. Neat. Now I have something to do with my lizardmen.

That seems a bit redundant next to kroot, which are more interesting than being merely "lizardmen-in-space."

On the whole, Tau and their allies strike me as a rare breath of fresh air in 40k. If demiurg are brought in, I hope it's not Mantic-style (i.e., old GW style) dwarfs-in-space.

I don't know I think they could give the tarelians something unique, like make one more CC oriented (probably kroot) and tarelians more shooty, with high tech weapons), kroot would be the en mass light troops, tarelians would be more heavy oriented. Basically kroot are bird people and tarelians are aligator men.

Would be fanastic for their to be so many options and choices like the Necron Codex. I can't decide what I want to buy and build first. So many fun things in the codex. With the exception of flayed ones beautiful models. You can at least think of something to do with almost every unit in the codex. So I say that it is pretty win and hope the Tau codex is similar in fun and cool model win.

gendoikari87 wrote:they could give the tarelians something unique, like make one more CC oriented (probably kroot) and tarelians more shooty

Ask yourself where that leaves the Tau.

Manchu wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:they could give the tarelians something unique, like make one more CC oriented (probably kroot) and tarelians more shooty

Ask yourself where that leaves the Tau.

The Tau are the leaders, the Elites and have the best equipment of course.

Posts like that seem to justify some of the earlier bickering. Firewarriors are not likely to be replaced as the backbone of the troops slot.

Manchu wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:they could give the tarelians something unique, like make one more CC oriented (probably kroot) and tarelians more shooty

Ask yourself where that leaves the Tau.

Cheap shooty, markerlight use, drone attachments, Use of devilfish. There's a good bit.

1.) Tau are called fish, because they have hooves and live in a desert (the same people call them communists because they know as much about politics as about biology )
2.) According to fluff, the Tau Empire grows, incorporating more and more races, some of them fighting in the Tau army. So adding new Xeno units is totally fluffy.
3.) According to ghost21's rumours, Tau will get new Xeno units AS WELL AS new Tau units, creating more diversity for all kinds of armies.
4.) GW will not go the Mantic way with Demiurg and rerelease Dwarf Clan warriors with skirts, chainmail, swords and bionic eyes They are not that stupid!
5.) Tau have some of their technology from the Demiurg. So if Demiurg are part of the next Codex, Tau are not the only technology competent race in the Empire. Which is fluffy and fitting the description of the Tau Empire in BFG rules as a coalition of races exchanging knowledge and goods.

With that in mind, I would guess Demiurg were the most influential regarding the Earth Caste.

Also, are we sure Demiurg are Squats? Or do we actually know nothing about Demiurg? Because if Tau tech comes in part from the Demiurg then, barring something completely new, wouldn't that mean Tau tech is at least partly from the Dark Age of Technology?


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gendoikari87 wrote:

Manchu wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:they could give the tarelians something unique, like make one more CC oriented (probably kroot) and tarelians more shooty

Ask yourself where that leaves the Tau.

Cheap shooty, markerlight use, drone attachments, Use of devilfish. There's a good bit.

So in that case let's ask where that leaves the Tarellians.

Elite expensive bulky shooty. Also, FW in troops, tarelians in elite.

Manchu wrote:Also, are we sure Demiurg are Squats?

We are sure that Demiurg are not Squats and not related to them:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Demiurg

grizgrin wrote:Space saurus. Neat. Now I have something to do with my lizardmen.

Lizardmen have been in space since Rogue Trader.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slann

Thinking that Tau should be in Tau Empire armies has just as much merit as thinking that no Tau should be in Tau Empire armies.

Both are understandable trains of thought. I disagree with both of them; however, and am happy to get as many new Dog/Fish/Lizard/Fly/Bird/Alligator/Short/Rock-men (etc) and the different possibilities that go with them.

Also, fun thought exercise for the fluff, because I love my conspiracy theories (and really, in a universe where everything can be anything, I like to know 1 the most logical reason for something, and 2 the most awesome reason for something:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Demiurg#.TtWuJ7Ik6nA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

Possible, Eldar trading with, Etheral Tau creators?

ghost21 wrote:

Rogue Star wrote:
So, from the sounds of this, it's now possible to have a "Tau Empire" army that doesn't actually include any Tau?

Demiurg for HQ, Kroot for Troops, Vespid in Fast Attack, etc.

as far as im aware yes, however , if you theme a force you get a troops and one other choice, not really much, however ill not be using any tau, just aliens

CpatTom wrote:
Also, fun thought exercise for the fluff, because I love my conspiracy theories (and really, in a universe where everything can be anything, I like to know 1 the most logical reason for something, and 2 the most awesome reason for something:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Demiurg#.TtWuJ7Ik6nA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge
Possible, Eldar trading with, Etheral Tau creators?

I dont think they would be that predictable, and thank god for that. The demiurg, if they decide to use them will be far less lofty then the demiurge concept would suggest or atleast thats my take on it. GW love epic concepts, but actually adding the creators of the universe as a unit choice, would be pushing it.

c'tan *cough*

But yea, hopefully they learned from that mistake.^^

The Avatar is the gold standard for doing it right. Never actually allow gods on the table, just their essence or their personified will or whatnot.

A little hint perhaps from Forgeworld concerning new rules for Tau.

Today I recieved the new Apoc book and while looking up the updated rules for the Tiger Shark I was surprised to see that they have given an option of adding on a Disruption Pod for 20pts.

Just to clarify, disruption pods mean that a shot from more than 12" away counts the vehicle as obscured.

However, all flyers count as moving flat out each turn which then counts as obscured.

Also a non-AA mounted gun reduces its range by 12" when targetting a flyer. (meaning pistols and such can't shoot them)

So the flyer already gains the Disruption Pod benefit for just being a flyer.

So unless they have included this as a way to affect AA mounted guns (AA guns don't lose 12" under normal conditions when shooting flyers).

But it does seem a little odd.

Anyway, thought i'd mention.

P.s. I'm at work so please don't ambush me if i've miss quoted any rules or info. I don't have all the books with me!

So either it's just an oversight or dis pods are changing somehow.

Actually AA guns would still count the flyer as obscured anyway, so my guess is that the Disruption Pod rules may be changing.

Or the next edition of the rules have different rules for flyers in general making dis pods viable?

Or less interestingly, some cheeky goff made a mistake

Or maybe it is just a mistake.

tarnish wrote:I dont think they would be that predictable, and thank god for that. The demiurg, if they decide to use them will be far less lofty then the demiurge concept would suggest or atleast thats my take on it. GW love epic concepts, but actually adding the creators of the universe as a unit choice, would be pushing it.

IPS wrote:c'tan *cough*But yea, hopefully they learned from that mistake.^^

Y'all are thinking way grander than me. I was just thinking the Demiurg created the Etherals. Haha, sorta Tau creators, instead of universe creators.

Truth to tell, the Tau will accept anyone's help if their heart is in the right place.

Kilkrazy wrote:Truth to tell, the Tau will accept anyone's help if their heart is in the right place.

That is one auxiliary I would love to use!

Mind I have always liked the Tau, and I hope they improve the Crisis Suits a little, that way I would be happy to pick up an army of them

Kilkrazy wrote:Truth to tell, the Tau will accept anyone's help if their heart is in the right place.

Or rather seems to be in the right place, as the Kroot attest.

Jefffar wrote:

Manchu wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:they could give the tarelians something unique, like make one more CC oriented (probably kroot) and tarelians more shooty

Ask yourself where that leaves the Tau.

The Tau are the leaders, the Elites and have the best equipment of course.

Oh ho ho ho, so now we're not saying that the only HQ choices are going to be Tau? Thats preferable to me, but it seems like people were singing a different tune a page ago...

Manchu wrote:With that in mind, I would guess Demiurg were the most influential regarding the Earth Caste.

Also, are we sure Demiurg are Squats? Or do we actually know nothing about Demiurg? Because if Tau tech comes in part from the Demiurg then, barring something completely new, wouldn't that mean Tau tech is at least partly from the Dark Age of Technology?


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gendoikari87 wrote:

Manchu wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:they could give the tarelians something unique, like make one more CC oriented (probably kroot) and tarelians more shooty

Ask yourself where that leaves the Tau.

Cheap shooty, markerlight use, drone attachments, Use of devilfish. There's a good bit.

So in that case let's ask where that leaves the Tarellians.

AFAIK, we don't know exactly what Demiurg are physically, just that they behave much like dwarves in space (mining and industry, etc.). There have been pics thrown around here and there of supposed concept art (what most people have missed is that there is no indication whatsoever that this art is representative of a member of the Demiurg, its all just fan conjecture) ranging from space-dwarves to crystalline/rock-like critters. Personally, I hope GW throws us all for a loop and Demiurg look nothing like space dwarves at all...

What we do know from the past Games Day season is that GW was immensely displeased with the campy attempt at space dwarves that was the squats, and their decision to eliminate them from the background was so that they could revisit the concept from scratch. I highly doubt they are going to be so direct as to bring back the squats or anything resembling the idea of "traditional" space dwarves.

As for where that leaves the Tarellians.... Elites?

Manchu wrote:With that in mind, I would guess Demiurg were the most influential regarding the Earth Caste.

Also, are we sure Demiurg are Squats? Or do we actually know nothing about Demiurg? Because if Tau tech comes in part from the Demiurg then, barring something completely new, wouldn't that mean Tau tech is at least partly from the Dark Age of Technology? [//quote]

I' am sure I heard somebody say demiurg are technically space gnomes not space dwarves but I don't know much else besides that.

Gnomes are much better, their women don't have beards.