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I can just imagine the Summautumn of Fliers miniexpansion having rules for quick Nightwings, terrifying Harpies, Boxy Chibihawks, and hippity-hoppity Dreadclaws.
Harry wrote:I think you may have missed his point. He is talking about a Flyer. He is saying that the new Eldar flyer is to the existing Eldar flyer(s) what the Landraider is to the Rhino. A bigger cousin ... not another variation on the existing kit but a whole new starting point.
One case where it shows that Harry doesn't play 40k, as there is no current Eldar flyer. Stickmonkey is talking about a bigger variant of the Falcon chassis, like the one of the Cobra/Scorpion.
Flyer, skimmer, spaceshppy craft type thing .... you know what I meant.
I have a couple of the current eldar craft!!! ... All I know is ... They don't have wheels!
I am doing my best.
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Harry wrote:I have no idea why anyone would want to make stuff up.
My original post was not a joke. I have heard scraps of info from various places which make me think the things I have mentioned are happening.
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I have been here for 5 years posting reliable rumours (mostly. ).
In all that time I have never knowingly or deliberatley posted something that I did not myself believe.
When I have doubts I express them.
So far over this individual rumour on this forum and elsewhere I have been called a liar (Dakka/Bols), an idiot (BoLs) and a Joker (Warseer) .... on balance this is marginally better here.
Can't imagine why anyone would want to post a rumour at all.
I am sorry about the date ... I didn't think about it.
I heard about this a while ago.
I set myself an arbitary 6 month window for not talking about stuff I hear as sometimes it is years ahead of time.
(I try to only talk details about the next big thing ... obviously there are a couple of big things for 40K before this!)
I counted back six months from when I heard this might be happening ..... that got me to the end of March.
If I had thought about the date ... I could have left it a week or two more I guess.
I didn't.
Can we move on.
StraightSilver wrote:but apparently flyers are split into 3 classes with appropriate rules differences:
Fighter / Interceptor
Bomber
Heavy
However I will say that whilst i also heard three classes .... those are not the same three classes that I heard
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It is possible that the Storm Eagle is the source of the rumours but I don't think so.
I am pretty sure that the name Storm Hawk is accurate.
I am also pretty sure that it is a Gunship and not a bomber.
That means it will fill a similar role to the Storm Eagle.
I think the Storm Eagle is just Forge world doing there thang to the Storm Raven.
I expect the Storm Hawk to be a whole different body/chassis/shape .....
.... which no doubt FW will do variations on in due course.
Thus I imagine (like you) the Storm Eagle will be IA and not be named in the codex .... but the Storm Hawk will.
Although if I am right about a supplement then there is a chance the Storm Eagle could get a mention?
StraightSilver wrote:I can confirm it definitely isn't an April Fool's joke, as some of the info has been kicking around for far too long.
There is definitely something happening regarding flyers in 40K, as to when that might be I have absolutely no idea, it could be this year, could be next year but it is happening.
To what extent I'm not sure either, but the exact quote I heard was "big change to the hobby".
Plus the fact that the rumours coming all seem to match up in one way or another, so it's unlikely to be an elaborate April Fool's. (...)
I wouldn't worry about Dakka, I've been called worse on there before.
And I wouldn't worry about the date either, you are probably closer than me to be honest as I haven't had any new info for ages, and looking at a lot of the stuff that has come out or is due to come out I think sooner rather than later is likely.
The only reason I was thinking next year is because as far as I know Tau have had a flyer in the works for aaaages that might already be done, and Eldar will be getting one, and I just assumed that as they would be Codex releases the flyer supplement would come once all the flyers were out. Plus Chaos and Vanilla / Dark Angels Marines.
However it's just as likely the flyers might come out pre-Codex for the supplement, so this year is as good as next.
But anyway, the point I was making was I don't think anybody on Warseer would seriously doubt anything you posted, but i do know what you mean about rumours.
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Ok so I have some other info about this which I am now sure is ok to post.
Black Library have delayed the release of Dan Abnett's Interceptor City, which is the follow up to Double Eagle.
The reason for this is that GW apparently wanted to include some new things in the novel that haven't happened yet (the so called "big change to the hobby").
I don't know if that's new fliers, ant aircraft weapons etc but given the nature of what Double Eagle and Interceptor City will be (aerial combat novels in the 40th Millenium), and the fact that both Imperial and Chaos factions will no doubt be the central focus I figured it had to be related to a 40K fliers supplement.
So I guess once we know a date for Interceptor City we will have more of an idea of this release.
Harry wrote:However I will say that whilst i also heard three classes .... those are not the same three classes that I heard
That does make sense, the conversation I had was about the way fliers played, and that there would be 3 distinct "types" of flyer, each with their own specific rules.
The biggest differences between the 3 classes were the way they moved (number of runs they could make, evade value, number of weapns they could shoot, that sort of thing), and the Fighter / Interceptor, Bomber and Heavy may have been his way of describing that, but that may not be what they're called in the supplement.
It sounds like as many people at Notts are chatting about this as we are, so some of it's bound to get lost in translation.
Guess I need to pry people with more booze!!
And I thought it was ok to mention Interceptor City now, as a few people I have spoken to also seemed to know about it.
And cheers for the rumours too, to you and Stickmonkey, Darnok etc. I'm already more excited than I should be about playing with toy aeroplanes to shoot my toy soldiers!!!
AegisGrimm wrote:I think it would be odd for the Eldar to get a completely new flyer, without it being a plastic version of the Nightwing. That's almost exactly what the Razorwing is, but with Dark Eldar weapons on it.
Interesting thought on a larger capacity and/or heavier armed Eldar skimmer, though. I know they already have a sort of "Main Battle Tank" with the Fire Prism, so it'll be interesting to see what it get's armed with. Not sure they need one, though. I'd rather see something like a plastic Wraithseer first, as without even knowing the FW rules for it, just the look of it makes me want one. Or a plastic Hornet, maybe.
I would agree that it seems likely the nightwing would be a prime canidate for plastic at this point. Its also an older FW model along with the Phoenix so maybe they woudl feel they have milked the FW models pretty well as is.
Well, actually you have the fire prism, warp hunter and Nightspinner all on the one hull, representing 3 of the 4 main support weapons (vibrocannon is missing, I seem to recall there was an early epic tank that made use of it, and its used on superheavies). The same hull with lessor weapons in exchange for transport capacity is the Falcon and Fire Storm. Then you have the dedicated transport in the Wave Serpent. One step up in size (super heavy's) you have the new Lynxs and then a step up from that you have the Scorpion and Cobra which are certainly a SH MBT. current Epic has what looks like two Scorpion/Cobra class tanks that are currently not represented in any form at 40k scale. The Void Spinner looks like an upscaled nightspinner on the Scorpion platform. The other one is the most interesting, which is the storm serpent, which lacks the heavy fire power of the others but carries a built in wraithgate. Certainly a superheavy with a gate would make for a nasty surprise, but perhaps we might see a scaled down version on a WS platform to allow troops to deploy? One or two of those would majorly change the game for eldar and make a lot of less commonly used units look a whole lot more interesting. A release of that + plastic wraithguard? Iyandon just got very popular. DE have man portable ones, and they gave that ability to corsairs in IA11. A vehicle based one would make for an interesting change as it would be mobile, but also vulnerable.
A gate on a tank would be a cool way to represent a large transport. As for the Iyanden idea, I can't imagine GW ever putting out plastic wraithguard. If anything, they'll get the Finecast treatment and go up to 20 bucks apiece.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Guess Harry was referring to this post. And he never takes part in April's fool jokes.
DarthSpader wrote:yea.... after all the hypefor the summer of fliers, wich is oddley simaler to what your saying... that turned out to be utterly non existant... yea im not holding my breath. in fact i would go as far to say that this probally will not happen.
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therefore the odds of this rumor being anything other then an attempt at necro-ing an old rumor is pretty large. ill believe it when i see it.
Either way, I love that Harry is posting here on Dakka Dakka and I certainty hope he continues to do so!
The USS Orinoco was a Federation Danube-class runabout that was in service with Starfleet in the late 24th century, attached to Deep Space 9. It was outfitted with a sensor pod.
Regarding different classes of flyers, in the leaked rulebook flyers have special rules including "Gunship", which refers to aircraft capable of hovering, and "Fighter Aircraft", which refers to flyers that can only move at high speed.
The classes that Harry and others mentioned could represent an evolution out of these rules. If the flyers rules in the leakbook are a look at the future, it certainly will be a whole new aspect to the game.
The Underdog wrote:Sorry if this repeats any info from the rest of the thread as I haven't had time to read it all - just skimmed the last page but I can confirm the existence of the Ork flier. No idea what it is for certain but there are boxes on the shelves of the GW distribution centre containing what appeared to be an Ork aircraft - I assume this means we will see it in the next few months!
(please note: I did not get a close look at this and merely saw it on a shelf at a distance - I did also see Necron wraiths and tomb spiders though and the cover of the next white dwarf - with a large Necron on it!)
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Looked more fighta-bomma shaped than kopta shaped.....sorry!
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I was rather a way form said box. I'm not even 100% sure it was orky tbh - I'm saying it was based on the shape - very similar to Ork aircraft from FW and the box colour being the usual Ork yellow. My money is on Orks but there's an outside chance on another guard flier I guess. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Harry wrote:
I have a crazy thought, feel free to point out how impossible\unlikely this is but here goes. Harry has said that the tittle "autumn of fliers" is just a reference to SM's "summer of fliers" which in turn was just a name he made up for the thread title. Harry said that he doesn't know exactly how the fliers will arrive. So I wonder, is it possible that the new flier rules and scenarios will be part of the 6th ED core rules and rather than just releasing the rule book in July (for example) they also release the fliers at the same time to promote to people whats new in the rules. It's just a crazy idea, but has GW ever released models the same month as the core rules? Is it possible that they ever would?
Possible? ...I would say probable that fliers rules and scenarios will be part of the 6th ed core rules
As for the modes ... maybe not released with the core rules but possibly following right on its tail in July, August and September .... as White Dwarf releases, (like we got the rules for the VC big kit in WD).
Not that this rules out a supplement a few months after which expands on the basic flyer rules and adds more fun stuff and scenarios you can try to get even more air miles out of your new fliers.
But as you say ... that would just be a crazy idea.
(please note: I did not get a close look at this and merely saw it on a shelf at a distance - I did also see Necron wraiths and tomb spiders though and the cover of the next white dwarf - with a large Necron on it!)
{talks about Ork fliers more}
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*flips table*
WHY CAN'T WE GET CONFIRMATION ON WHETHER THE NECRON FLIERS ARE COMING IN THE SECOND WAVE OR NOT!?!
Harry wrote:In all these suggested schedules there seem to be a significant number of flyers missing.
Danjester wrote:Oh, I wouldn't worry. I suspect you'll be seeing them sooner rather than later. Much sooner.
Adeptus Miniatures wrote:Our spies have infiltrated the Nottingham warehouses at Warhammer World and we can guarantee the release of all new plastic NECRON DOOMSCYTHES AND WRAITHS!! Also we have seen what seems to be a mysterious new ork plastic flyer/skimmer! We think it may be a plastic fighta bomba ready for all new 6th edition!! - Sam
Erazmus_M_Wattle wrote:It could be that the Necron and Ork flyers have been spotted. Just sayin'
I've 'heard' the Ork fighta has parts on it's hull that have been cannibalised from a rhino. I've 'heard' it's very much in the same ball park as it's Forgeworld relatives although it's original in it's own way.
I've not 'heard' about the Necron flyer though. I can confirm the Ork one though and that'd certainly add credibility to the Doomscythe rumour.
MajorWesJanson wrote:I have heard a bit more specifics, which include fliers plural, so good chance of at least the Ork flier and Scythe.
As for having parts from a rhino included, makes sense if you look at the Stompa and Ork Barricades which both include parts from Imperial vehicles.
Seems like more and more rumour mongers are as untrustworthy as stickmonkey
I may be inaccurate, because most of the time I am piecing together information second and thirdhand, and speculating based on what I have learned about GW's production and marketing methods. That said, I try to convey what I know and what I think/predict to the best of my ability.
Hopefully some of the most recent things I have heard/ been told are true, as it sounds quite exciting.
And we appreciate that. And the plot is thickening.
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Kijamon wrote:Heard that a space marine flyer (not the storm eagle) is to be announced in the next WD. Like others have said - you would think it'd be a 0 transport gunship type thing so as to not piss all over the storm eagles arrival.
MajorWesJanson wrote:Unless this Fliers thing is more of a preview of the rules in 6th, spread over a month or two before 6th comes out. Something like Spearhead or WD dexes, it could cover the new flier rules and then say new unit entries for new fliers and existing ones in codices.
End of May/beginning of June would fit with some things I have heard. Autumn looks too busy for fliers, and June is fairly open so far...
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Kijamon wrote:Heard that a space marine flyer (not the storm eagle) is to be announced in the next WD.
Ihave also heard it is coming sooner than I predicted. Which is nice. I shall add this to the first post.
Majorwesjanson wrote:Unless this Fliers thing is more of a preview of the rules in 6th, spread over a month or two before 6th comes out. Something like Spearhead or WD dexes, it could cover the new flier rules and then say new unit entries for new fliers and existing ones in codices.
End of May/beginning of June would fit with some things I have heard. Autumn looks too busy for fliers, and June is fairly open so far...
I have also heard June.
DarnoK wrote:So a summer of fliers at last?
You may laugh .....
Still .... it is coming .... despite the fact that I don't know what I am talking about.
Maybe then there will be a reason to field Harpies...oh wait...that still won't fix VC
majorwesjanson wrote:What I head about fliers and WD was that they would be in the WD at the end of May, so I'm guessing the June WD.
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Well looks like this closes the book on a last codex pre-6th edition. I'm a bit disappointed as it would appear to limit the armies being released this year to cash in on another expansion release. However, if this turns out to be a preview of flyer rules in 6th edition, that would be cool. It could mean big changes for 40k if it's part of the core rules. At this point, I'm just excited to see what 6th edition has in store for 40k.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
My wallet will be in serious trouble if we are getting an orky fighta/bomma... 
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