MajorWesJanson wrote:That does not look legit.

Redemption wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:

Even though it is a superheavy, there is nothing ground breaking about it. It has about 8 more troop capacity than a Stormraven. Same armor front and side, less on rear. no melta defence, no machine spirit. Has one good gun (and unless you upgrade to the "D" weapon it is not over powered) a lascannon and 4 twin linked Heavy bolters compared to Twin las cannon, twin multimelta, 4 missiles. All for more than 4 times the point cost. So you have to kill it 3 times, hardly makes up for the difference.

If that's true than the T-Hawk is pretty nerfed compared to what it used to be back in the day (like 2nd edition). It used to carry three tactical squads(30 marines), had twin linked H-Bolters on each side of the nose, a twin-linked set of H-bolters under each wing, and a battlecannon on the dorsal mount flanked by two lascannons that fired as twin-linked. Plus I think it mounted rockets under the wings.

D-strength cannons, Apocalypse Barrage Bomb Pylons and a model size that would have trouble fitting in regular deployment zones would be enough of a detterence to include it in regular games I'd think. And I don't see a model that big on the current 120x95mm oval base with flight stand used for current 'fliers', so that would mean an even bigger base size was required.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:Aahhh...the days of Rogue Trader

That does not look legit. Looks like something from BoLS really. If it really was from 1st/2nd edition, it would not be a superheavy flier with hover mode, ceramite armor, ect. Those are more modern rules that forgeworld first started using. This looks fan made.

As for Storm Ravens vs Thunderhawk, the THawk also has the advantage of being a superheavy- structure points, damage control, fully splitting fire, Primary weapon saves, ect.

krazynadechukr wrote:Aahhh...the days of Rogue Trader

Tempus fugitives - Age of the Emporer wrote:
"The Storm Hawk is a smaller, more agile transport from the same design lineage as the Storm Bird. Used extensively for small operations, as the Heresy progressed much of the STC data to build the Storm Hawk was lost although the Mechanicum have kept copies so that if it were to fall completely out of service a variant could be reintroduced at a later date."

Unit Type: Vehicle ( Fast Skimmer)

Wargear
• Cerberus Launcher
• Turret mounted Twin-Linked Autocannon
• Hull mounted Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter
• Four Hawktalon Missiles
(each a separate weapon)

Transport Capacity
20 Models (it has no firepoints
and may not carry walkers but
may carry Jump Infantry who
count as two models)

Special Rules
• Ceramite Shielding
• Power of the Machine Spirit
• Deep Strike
• Assault Vehicle

The_Auditor wrote:Hi Guys. Storm Hawk is from A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill (p207). It is a small single unit transport craft/gunship, similar in nature to the Storm Raven. It was in use with the Thousand Sons legion and possibly others. Space Wolves were using a storm crow (p201). Plenty of refences to Stormbirds in other novels. It would make sense that this is chosen as the generic Marine flyer, as it would then be a kit that could be used by both Chaos and Vanilla marine codecies. As has been mentioned above. Jes Goodwin was very clear at UK GD that vanilla marines would not gain access to the Storm Raven, but was equally clear that they would gain a flyer of their own in the future.

First time posting, but as I knew where the reference comes from, I thought I'd but in.

A Thousand Sons wrote:"He reclined in a converted gravity harness built into the crew compartment of a heavily modified Stormhawk transporter......"
"A dozen warriors of the Scarab Occult stood behind him in vertical restraints...."
"Within Ahriman's Stormhawk, internal spaces normally reserved for troops and heavy equipment were filled with banks of surveyor gear...."

If they chose to follow the fluff they have already put out, we are looking at something bigger than a Storm Raven, but smaller than a Thunderhawk. Perhaps capacity of 20.

Follow on from MajorWesJanson's theory. If the Storm Raven is a related STC to the Storm Hawk, then it would be a discard of some internal capacity if favour of dreadnought cradle externally.

However, I really hope the design is something completely different.

Also, the book heavily references the Hawk as a transport, rather than as a gunship with transport capacity. Read into that what you may.

StraightSilver wrote:I do believe this has been in the pipeline for a while though, it can't be a coincidence that all of the recent Codices (except Space Wolves) have had a flyer of some sort in them.

IG: Valkyrie / Vendetta
Tyranids: Harpy
Dark Eldar; Razorwing / Void Raven
GK: Storm Raven
BA: Storm Raven
Necrons: Night Scythe

And there has to be a reason the Hydra has been held back, as it is one of the best things in the IG Codex (admittedly that doesn't mean much I know) and shoud be a simple kit to produce.

I also had it from a good source (not one of my usual sources, and not as directly involved, but a good source none the less) that there is a big change coming to the hobby regarding flyers.

I don't honestly know if that means rules in the core rule book, or a supplement, but they will apparently be getting a lot of attention.

For everyone hoping for a Thunderbolt, Barracuda, Remora etc though I think that's very doubtful as Forge World produce them and the guys I've spoken to at GW are quite adamant that it isn't in their interests to tread on their toes.

Therefore expect something similar design wise, but not the same.

Dysartes wrote:

geordie09 wrote:I thought it had been confirmed that GW would not produce anything that is existance in the FW line after they made the banblades and stormlords.... basically, you pay £400 quid for a thunderhawk, a plastic one maybe 1/4 that. I'm pretty sure I read that wouldn't be happening, ever!

Theodore Bruckner would like a word with you about the Empire starting a breeding program with Reaper...

andrewm9 wrote:Yay! Another supplement in which Sisters will likely get nothing. I guess its a good thing I like playing other armies too.

krazynadechukr wrote:Aahhh...the days of Rogue Trader

75hastings69 wrote:Whilst I'm not going to say there is an "Autumn of Fliers" (as the phrase seems as overused as the wfb equivalent "return of Nagash"!) I will add to this that along with the bits Harry mentioned I'm also aware of a couple more fliers ready to go (and being worked on). I am not sure if they're for drip/splash releases over the next year-18 months or to accompany updated army books in some cases (which you can probably hazard a guess at) but it wouldn't be inconceivable to hold them all in a "holding pattern" and release them alongside some kind of fliers supplement.

That does not look legit. Looks like something from BoLS really. If it really was from 1st/2nd edition, it would not be a superheavy flier with hover mode, ceramite armor, ect. Those are more modern rules that forgeworld first started using. This looks fan made.

krazynadechukr wrote:The epic scale version.....

vitki wrote:

andrewm9 wrote:Yay! Another supplement in which Sisters will likely get nothing. I guess its a good thing I like playing other armies too.

Nah, they'll just redo the Doom Diver catapult from fantasy to fling Sisters Repentia with wings strapped to them. Maybe on fire.

Bikeninja wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:The epic scale version.....

Where did you get that picture from. That almost looks like a conversion. I never knew they actually made a model of it. Back in the day it was not unheard of to see some conversions in White Dwarf's. Hell... they used to even promote them.

winterdyne wrote:That is a conversion / kitbash of several popular toys of the 80's. Zoids are responsible for an awful lot of the items seen on the boxes and white dwarfs of the time. The main fuselage of that particular model is from an 'intruder', a counterpart to the 'starbird'. The two front lenses are actually part of an IR setup. You could 'shoot' at things and if within range the toy would play a 'hit' sound as oppose to a 'miss'.

God damn, my memory for bits acquisition scares me sometimes. Here: http://www.bugeyedmonster.com/toys/starbird/

geordie09 wrote:I thought it had been confirmed that GW would not produce anything that is existance in the FW line after they made the banblades and stormlords.... basically, you pay £400 quid for a thunderhawk, a plastic one maybe 1/4 that. I'm pretty sure I read that wouldn't be happening, ever! That would probably go for thunderbolts and lightning (very very frightening) too. Unless FW drop them because they don't sell as often???

I'd love to see ork flyers. They'd have to be in skwadrons though... there may end up being a new kit for deffkoptas when AOBR disappears. Who knows?

AegisGrimm wrote:

That does not look legit. Looks like something from BoLS really. If it really was from 1st/2nd edition, it would not be a superheavy flier with hover mode, ceramite armor, ect. Those are more modern rules that forgeworld first started using. This looks fan made.

It must be fan-made. The easiest way to tell would be the armor values, because those are a dead giveaway. Basic Front/Side/rear armor values are only from 3rd edition-present.

Vehicles in Rogue Trader had "wounds" and a "save value" just like models, because their rules were basically an analogy of creature rules from Warhammer fantasy(which came first).

Then, in 2nd edition, vehicles had very high armor values (A Space marine dreadnought had armor values ranging from 18-19 (legs and arms) to 21/ 19 for the front/back of the body. But that was in a game where the AP of a lascannon was 3D6+9 (Strength(9)+Damage(2d6)+1D6).

stickmonkey wrote:

Harry wrote:I only used the phrase "Autumn of fliers" as I was aware of the whole 'summer of flyers' train wreck last year.

I'm just going to bite my tongue until it comes out, then wait patiently for all the apologies for the hate I got... Riiiight!

I reported what I heard. Getting the dates right is a huge challenge sometimes, and so I am sitting on my rumor bag a lot longer now a days.

I do like the Eldar flyer. A lot. And my Samm Hain army will get many. . . . Some day...

I also really like the Chaos flyer design. Was expecting something like the hell blade, and I am suitably impressed with the design.

BTW, anyone fancy a plastic Chaos drop pod?


I know nothing...

Cheers

winterdyne wrote:That is a conversion / kitbash of several popular toys of the 80's. Zoids are responsible for an awful lot of the items seen on the boxes and white dwarfs of the time. The main fuselage of that particular model is from an 'intruder', a counterpart to the 'starbird'. The two front lenses are actually part of an IR setup. You could 'shoot' at things and if within range the toy would play a 'hit' sound as oppose to a 'miss'.

God damn, my memory for bits acquisition scares me sometimes. Here: http://www.bugeyedmonster.com/toys/starbird/

Stickmonkey; wrote:

Sildani; wrote:As for the Eldar flyer, might you be able to answer (since it sounds like you've seen it) whether it looks like the FW fliers, or if they've chosen a new design direction?

its a new design. It meshes with existing eldar design. More so once all the other designs are added...

theDarkGeneral wrote:In a month or two, White Dwarf will shed more light upon the dawn of flyers. Currently Apoc counts pintle mounted weapons as AA. Look to many Apoc rules being converted over to 6th edition.

Stickmonkey wrote:I'll say it this way, basically Eldar have a a rhino. It can be a predator, a razorback, or a vindicator, but it's still a rhino. Don't you think it would be nice if they had a landraider? Not saying they are getting anything here, mind you, but at some point to expand you need more than one chassis...

Harry wrote:

Stickmonkey wrote:I'm just going to bite my tongue until it comes out, then wait patiently for all the apologies for the hate I got... Riiiight! :shifty:

Yes ... good luck with that.

Stickmonkey wrote:its a new design. It meshes with existing eldar design. More so once all the other designs are added...

What happened to sitting on your rumours for a bit longer? That is still a long way off.

Fable wrote:Ok, this got me curious what could come along and be added. Outside of flyers I'm at a loss to think of something that could really fill any void, but without knowing 6th edition it probably makes the whole guessing game moot. It would be welcome to have some new projects to dive into.

I think you may have missed his point. He is talking about a Flyer. He is saying that the new Eldar flyer is to the existing Eldar flyer(s) what the Landraider is to the Rhino. A bigger cousin ... not another variation on the existing kit but a whole new starting point.

Harry wrote:I think you may have missed his point. He is talking about a Flyer. He is saying that the new Eldar flyer is to the existing Eldar flyer(s) what the Landraider is to the Rhino. A bigger cousin ... not another variation on the existing kit but a whole new starting point.

StraightSilver wrote:Just to add to StickMonkey's Rhino, Predator, Razorback, Land Raider analogy, let's not forget about the Baneblade......

Unless the new bigger vehicle he has seen is the same one I heard about.... ?

And also just to clarify, by Locust equivalent what I mean is a single seater rapid intercepter, so basically smaller than a Hell Blade, in the same way a Lightning is smaller than a Thunderbolt.

So like a Locust, but not a Locust if that makes sense?

Also expect to need to buy more Aegis Defence Lines and Sky Shields apparently.
(...)
I had heard that Jes was working on an Eldar Super Heavy, hence my Baneblade analogy but this may well turn out to be what Stickmonkey is referring to as their Land Raider equivalent.

And this is just a rumour and I don't know how accurate it will be but apparently flyers are split into 3 classes with appropriate rules differences:

Fighter / Interceptor

Bomber

Heavy

Which is interesting as not all Codexes currently have one of each....
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If I understand correctly, from what Stickmonkey has said and from what I have heard there will be a new type of larger Eldar vehicle coming, which will be a larger Grav Tank.

Think what a Land Raider is to a Rhino, so a larger Falcon / Wave Serpent, with more armament, heavier armour and possibly more transport capability.

It won't simply be a larger Falcon / Wave Serpent but will be a new design.

There will also be an Eldar flyer, and from a design point of view will be of a similar aesthetic to the new as yet unseen larger vehicle.

I hope that makes sense?

I know when I spoke to Jes at the launch of the Dark Eldar he explained that as plastic technology has advanced quite rapidly the sculptors are able to work from 2ups instead of 3ups, and this makes large, one piece plastic components easier to create.

One of the first examples of this was the Dark Eldar Razor Wing, which allowed for a compicated curved design to be made in one piece (the top hull).

Jes said it meant that large apocalypse kits would also be much easier, and as the Stompa and Baneblade had sold so well there plans to make another, and he wanted it to be an Eldar super heavy.

That could be the new vehicle Stickmonkey is talking about (so it got scaled down), or could be something brand new.
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That does bring up an interesting point, as I have been led to believe that some of the newer Codexes were written with 6th Edition in mind, and the majority of the newer Codexes have a flyer of some sort in them.

However all of these use the current oval flying stand, act as skimmers and are affected by close combat.

This is especially important regarding those that have a transport capacity.

Imagine suddenly not being able to hit Storm Ravens and Valkyries in Close Combat?

These flyers are also listed as skimmers in their respective Codex entries (although the DE ones do have specific special rules that set them apart), and I can't see the new rule book overriding the Codex entries.

So I would speculate that certain skimmers will be able to enter a special flight mode that would then seperate them from skimmers, and give them specific rules, distinct from their current ones.

From the snippets I have been getting the Fighter / Intercepter, Bomber and Heavy rules refer more to moving and shooting than anything else, so a bit like the current vehicle rules (fast, tank, skimmer etc), but to be honest I think because this seems to be a big topic of discussion it's difficult to sift through rumour and conjecture right now.

Kroothawk wrote:One case where it shows that Harry doesn't play 40k, as there is no current Eldar flyer. Stickmonkey is talking about a bigger variant of the Falcon chassis, like the one of the Cobra/Scorpion.

Redemption wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:One case where it shows that Harry doesn't play 40k, as there is no current Eldar flyer. Stickmonkey is talking about a bigger variant of the Falcon chassis, like the one of the Cobra/Scorpion.

Well, there are plenty of Eldar flyers, they're just all Forgeworld models. But it's possible Harry was talking about the codex skimmers indeed. As the Falcon chassis is already Landraider sized if I'm not mistaken, it makes me wonder if this bigger chassis, if it is indeed bigger, is a super heavy a la the Baneblade.

krazynadechukr wrote:Here is the new flyer....
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Home/Space_Marine_Stormeagle.html

ironicsilence wrote:If GW is doing any sort of flier event I'd guess they wouldnt put out the model via forgeworld....much much more money to be made with a plastic in store kit