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frozenwastes wrote:I had to promise not to say as his boss wants finecast issues only to be dealt with when a customer finds an issue, not an employee. Apparently they think their quality control is good enough and it's not the place of the guys running the stores to question that. So I guess you'll have to consider it internet bullcrap as I can't verify for you.

Ahh thats fine. I wouldn't want any rare good staff to go extinct. Though I would tell him to "keep up the good work and thanks for treating us like proper human beings" :3

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Pacific wrote:

Barksdale wrote:It's not really that expensive when you consider all the time you get of the minis.



It's only fair to compare the prices to those of GW's competitors in the same industry. You can play practically any one and it will be cheaper to play than GW's core systems, in the way that they intend you to play them.


Its not fair. Your comparing apples to oranges. Sure both are fruit but they taste way different. I

What your paying for is the quality of the customizable plastic kits that GW puts out. None of the other companies even compare. If you don't care about that no one is forcing people to buy GW minis just to play GW games. Use the cheaper mini's from company x if you want. Just remember you get what you pay for.

You can pick up a pretty slick army of GW minis for 1200 euros thats going to give you enjoyment for a long time. Thats what, 100 euros/month over the year??? That isn't expensive at all sorry.

   
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Barksdale wrote:
Pacific wrote:

Barksdale wrote:It's not really that expensive when you consider all the time you get of the minis.



It's only fair to compare the prices to those of GW's competitors in the same industry. You can play practically any one and it will be cheaper to play than GW's core systems, in the way that they intend you to play them.


Its not fair. Your comparing apples to oranges. Sure both are fruit but they taste way different. I

What your paying for is the quality of the customizable plastic kits that GW puts out. None of the other companies even compare. If you don't care about that no one is forcing people to buy GW minis just to play GW games. Use the cheaper mini's from company x if you want. Just remember you get what you pay for.

You can pick up a pretty slick army of GW minis for 1200 euros thats going to give you enjoyment for a long time. Thats what, 100 euros/month over the year??? That isn't expensive at all sorry.


Samething can be said if you replace "GW" with "paperhammer" you can paint on paper, assemble on paper, kit bash with paper, swap bits with paper and game with paper.

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LunaHound wrote:
Samething can be said if you replace "GW" with "paperhammer" you can paint on paper, assemble on paper, kit bash with paper, swap bits with paper and game with paper.


Whatever floats your boat mate.

All I'm saying is what else is going to give you years of enjoyment for 100 euros/month? Not much. Well maybe some puppies or kittens...

And that 1200 euros gets you ALOT even at retail. Most people can get 10-30% off their minis which makes GW even cheaper.

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Barksdale wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Samething can be said if you replace "GW" with "paperhammer" you can paint on paper, assemble on paper, kit bash with paper, swap bits with paper and game with paper.


Whatever floats your boat I guess.

All I'm saying is what else is going to give you years of enjoyment for 100 euros/month? Not much. Well maybe some puppies or kittens...

I know exactly what you are saying, yet Im saying everything you are saying is also subjective, hence the paper examples :3

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LunaHound wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Samething can be said if you replace "GW" with "paperhammer" you can paint on paper, assemble on paper, kit bash with paper, swap bits with paper and game with paper.


Whatever floats your boat I guess.

All I'm saying is what else is going to give you years of enjoyment for 100 euros/month? Not much. Well maybe some puppies or kittens...

I know exactly what you are saying, yet Im saying everything you are saying is also subjective, hence the paper examples :3


I don't think you do. Use that 100 euros/month on whatever you want. If that consists of spending hours scratchbuilding paper models and buying beer instead, good on you. If it consists of buying more models of inferior quality and with less customisation options, thats fine too.

My point is that whatever you spend 100 euros/month on it is NOT alot of money. How is that at all subjective? In my case, I'd choose to spend it on GW because that 100 euros/month will get me a sick competitive, playable, and most of all fun army.

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Barksdale wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Samething can be said if you replace "GW" with "paperhammer" you can paint on paper, assemble on paper, kit bash with paper, swap bits with paper and game with paper.


Whatever floats your boat I guess.

All I'm saying is what else is going to give you years of enjoyment for 100 euros/month? Not much. Well maybe some puppies or kittens...

I know exactly what you are saying, yet Im saying everything you are saying is also subjective, hence the paper examples :3


I don't think you do. Use that 100 euros/month on whatever you want. If that consists of spending hours scratchbuilding paper models and buying beer instead, good on you. If it consists of buying more models of inferior quality and with less customisation options, thats fine too.

My point is that whatever you spend 100 euros/month on it is NOT alot of money. How is that at all subjective?

Because I can do everything you said with cheap paper and pen and markers, for 1 euro, and enjoy it just the same :')

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So to save 99 euros, you waste 999 euros of your time?

Good luck trying to get them to look as good in a reasonable amount of time with paper, pens, and few markers. GW gives this to you on the cheap right out of the box.


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Time is precious to me. And in my vanity I value the appearance of my models dammit. GW has some of the sickest plastic sculpts out there.

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Barksdale wrote:So to save 99 euros, you waste 999 euros of your time?

Good luck trying to get them to look as good in a reasonable amount of time with paper, pens, and few markers. GW gives this to you on the cheap right out of the box.

Thats why I said its subjective, even what you said.
Its subjective that you say its wasting 999 euros of time.

e.g Ever see people scratch built paper Titans? I have, they are all over dakka.
Ever see people do scratch built Tyranid creatures, all over dakka as well.
I wouldn't be so pompous to say they are wasting their time at all :3

I'll be clear now. What Im saying from the very beginning is, your perception of what you seem "worthy" of GW items are already questionable
due to your perspective. Hence its "worth" is never truly established at all.

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Gotcha.

Ever seen a titan for sale on the GW website? Didn't think so. I didn't think we were speaking about niche products like titans and other such items out of the standard ruleset.

My point still stands. If people have the time to make scratchbuilds I think thats great. We are modellers after all. All I'm saying is that for those of us who don't have the time, or the skills for that matter, GW offers high quality plastic kits that can give you a customisable and playable army for an affordable price.




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Well my bad for using Titan as example.

Rhino, Land Raider etc etc are also papercrafted ( I even provided the links a year ago )

But the main point is, for all the things you listed ( the assembling fun, the painting fun, the modeling fun, the gaming fun )
is only subjective to what you "add" to the value of how you perceive GW products to be "worth it"

Hence I brought up the example on how almost "anything" can achieve the same effect, which makes the GW's value questionable.

After all, the old game of Chess for example, is still popular, and extremely cheap?
The value of it can be made out of cheap wood, or exquisite as Diamond carved pieces.

its all subjective :3

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What you say is true but the thread is about the OP believing that GW prices are too high to be 'worth it' for him. All I'm saying is that if you break down the cost of a playable army by months of a year it really isn't all that much. What's more that initial purchase gives you enjoyment for years.

Sure, there are competing mini companies or you can scupt some things yourself (good luck with those paper tac squads or ork horde paper sculpts). However, I think the range, quality of the sculpts, and inter-customisation options make GW 'worth it' when compared with products from competitors, even with the price differential.

All subjectively, ofcourse.

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Barksdale wrote:What you say is true but the thread is about the OP believing that he thinks that GW prices are too high to be 'worth it' anymore. All I'm saying is that if you break down the cost of a playable army by months of a year it really isn't all that much. What's more that initial purchase gives you enjoyment for years.

Sure, there are competing mini companies or you can scupt some things yourself (good luck with those paper tac squads or ork horde paper sculpts). However, subjectively, I think the range, quality of the sculpts, and inter-customisation options make GW 'worth it' when compared with products from competitors, even with the price differential.

All subjectively, ofcourse.

Then why not break it down to 4 years ( general army cycle ) it would look even more appealing

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I definitely would not enjoy a game if instead of my well painted space marines I used paper and pens.

I can see the point luna is making.. I think ultimately it boils down to whether or not your a tight bastard!

I know people that definitely enjoy playing with paper more.. The enjoyment they take from hoarding money is increased by playing the game with paper.. But wasteful people like me prefer to use the gw models whilst simultaneously drinking 40 euros worth of beer.

I take more pleasure in spending cash than keeping it.. But lots of people don't. I don't really understand people like that personally, but it's not a rare thing!

We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.  
   
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Barksdale wrote:

You can pick up a pretty slick army of GW minis for 1200 euros thats going to give you enjoyment for a long time. Thats what, 100 euros/month over the year??? That isn't expensive at all sorry.


This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (£250 buys you a nice competitive army that can be used over and over)

I just dont think it's possible to say "I paid this for a model five years ago and now it's this much more expensive - a while back fuel hit a £1.00 for a litre.....now it's nearly £1.50".....sad but true

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Buckle up people, by the end of the month we will be entering into the period where GW deliver their message of the Annual Price Hike, so it's all going to get even more expensive overnight.

I don't buy ANY GW models from GW.
I only buy them from eBay and then only when I can get a deal.
In the last 3 months I was chasing cheap Dark Elf Cold Ones to use in my Lizard army, because the Lizardman Cold ones are unpleasant sculpts and the Dark Elf Cold ones look more sinister and nasty, like the Velociraptors from the Jurassic Park films.
I picked up 14 eventually at around half price through skulking on ebay.
I also have some dark elf riders to sell off ;-)

GW retail prices are too expensive for me to justify. I play other table top miniature systems as well so using miniatures from other companies os not only no problem at all, it's a welcome change to the models in the units increasing the diversity.
Naturally Mantic are a fave of mine. I like my GW Undead models (except the newer Dire wolves which I find utterly hideous) I have about 600 undead infantry and 200 of those are lovely old metals.
Interestingly the Mantic undead work really well with the old GW metals and with the high quality of the Mantic undead sculpts, and their incredible pricing, I bought up 200 Mantic Undead infantry through deals that Mantic do themselves for bulk buying. Incredible value and I love the sculpts.
So now I have branched out into Mantic Orcs as well.
Whereas I intend to keep all my GW plastic skellies because i still like them, I do not have any time for the GW plastic Brian Nelson sculpted Orcs. They are old and blocky in their proportions and out of scale and poorly sculpted. I didn't even realise i felt that way until I put the mantic sculpts up against the GW plastic orcs.
On the other hand the Mantic Orcs are in scale, well sculpted and well proportioned and they come at an incredible price in comparison to the GW plastics. So I am changing out all my GW plastic orcs (about 150 models) and I'm replacing them with 200 plastic Mantic Orcs at an incredible price.
These armies will be used in three different table top systems. Now thats value for money. ;-)
Also, I'll make money on the deal selling my painted plastic GW orcs on eBay to gamers who like or prefer the GW plastics.
2 years ago I bought into the Westwind metal Dwarves in a big way, buying big core units and plenty of them, especially the highland dwarves in kilts and the Celtic berserker dwarves...and replaced all of my core GW plastic dwarves with the lovely westwind metal options and the pricing for bulk buying was very friendly. If you buy from smaller retailers and you buy in bulk, all you need do is ring them up and see if they will do you a deal for a bulk purchase, or if they can't they will ask you to wait until they have special offers during the year and then you can cash in.
I still love my old/older GW toys and many of them will not be for sale but i am not blinkered against the new manufacturers who come along with great models for sale that suit my tastes.

For my part i don't like the way GW sculpting is starting to look kind of similar and I'm wondering if it's a CAD-diffication of the generic GW sculpting style.
It does nothing for me.
The new Undead army GW released a few months ago turned me off stylistically, I didn't even get to the point of looking at the prices. The sculpting style turned me off.
I'm seeing more of the same style in the new Empire models as well and that is turning me off from making any purchases.
I have over 1000 GW Empire models in my collection, over half of them metal. I will be buying zero new Empire models to add to my range from the new army release, but I will be adding to my Empire collection because I'll be buying the new Perry mounted men at arms as new Empire Knights in my collection. Why? Because the sculpting is superb and definitely to my taste.

By all means if you love/like the new GW sculpts then buy them and enjoy them, I'm just saying that for me I don't like the new style coming out of the CAD sculpting vats and 'that' more than anything has turned me off from buying GW models.
Big silly CAD designed plastic models like the Undead whirlygig and the two new rickety carts of doom for the Empire and the Giant Pigeon that blots out the Emperor Karl Franz... this is what happens when the target market is young teenagers, good for them but no good for my tastes.
Lastly, GW are seriously over priced for what they offer.
However, if they are making a profit then they have no reason to change and i don't expect them to change, but they won't be getting ANY of my spare change
eBay for me when required and other miniature manufacturers as it suits my personal tastes.
Now then... off to Reaper for a scour of their back catalogue once again.

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Captain Toad wrote:

I don't buy ANY GW models from GW.
I only buy them from eBay and then only when I can get a deal.

....

GW retail prices are too expensive for me to justify.


This is a common fallacy. The GW retail price will take into account all of the resale value of the item. So yes, technically you are buying GW models from GW.

Sorry.

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Sorry for you Sir, you seem to be under the misunderstanding that GW will be coming into some of the monies from the purchase but that is absolutely not the case ;-).
I buy my second hand or pre loved GW items from private eBay sellers for less than 50% retail (or i won't buy them I'll let someone else win the auction, I can wait)
None of the money goes back to GW so no , I am not buying anything from GW technically or otherwise.
Thank you.

Secondly, you are grasping at straws if you think that GW have a cost of resale built into their commodities.
They don't.
They have an initial price they make money from and after that all GW's control over pricing is gone. Same for almost any other retailer.
   
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Welcome to the forums Toad, glad you like the Mantic stuff, I agree that their Undead and Orcs are their 2 best lines, but there's a lot of people who hate the company on this forum, so be prepared for that. :p

Westwind are also great for dwarves, even if I'm not keen on their other stuff, the dwarf cavalry is especially cool.
   
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Captain Toad wrote:
Secondly, you are grasping at straws if you think that GW have a cost of resale built into their commodities.
They don't.
They have an initial price they make money from and after that all GW's control over pricing is gone. Same for almost any other retailer.


Your mistaken sorry mate. The resale price is built in to that initial retail price. It works very well with their current business model of targetting new customers for a year or so. Anyway,this is an extremely common practise for retailers in a variety of markets. Just look at the textbook industry. Its exactly the same process. It's the reason why textbooks are so expensive. And you can be sure its a contributing factor to the (relatively) high cost of GW minis.

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Hi there Scarlet, thanks for the welcome.
Yeah I'm not sure why the hate for mantic, sure some of their models are not too my taste, but i can say that for any figure manufacturer. Almost all of them have some nice toys and some that i wouldn't choose to buy.
For Fantasy the Mantic Orcs and Undead are superb plastic sprue troop options, but the Dwarves look like squats to me so i didn't buy them, but i know other folk have and thats cool.
The Westwind Dwarves are super and the Dwarf cavalry represents a lot of good humour in the sculpts, even the Mammoth.
Sure GW are very expensive at the retail end of the market, but you can still pick up second or third hand bargains on eBay for GW models, and there are so many options from other manufacturers to enjoy both direct or from eBay as well.
Moving away from brand new GW models doesn't mean the hobby is over, quite the opposite, for many folk it's when the hobby actually starts to take off for them.
New figure manufacturers, new games, new genre.
It's all good.


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Im always right and I never listen to any other arguments.


Yes I think I got that from your earlier negative tone when you were trolling the poor member earlier in the thread.
Text books are indeed designed to be reused. No argument there.
Gaming miniatures are not textbooks Barksdale !!
GW doesn't want any of their models on eBay or sold second hand anywhere. They want first time buyers to use them and lose them so there are no cheap options available on a 2nd hand market. That is business. Why should GW want a second hand market that can and does impact their retail sales?
They don't make anything from it.. They have a good reason not to be fond of eBay.
GW got the fright of their lives when eBay took off and they fight it often and hard to keep control of their material and IP on eBay (and elsewhere) through the years. The fights are documented if you care to look.
The only place GW want their models after they have been purchased, is in the rubbish bin.
There is no built in cost to cover 'on-selling' of their merchandise.
That is an outright fallacy.
Why do they send their overstock and their old ranges of models that are not in the collectors ranges to the dump, for tax purposes and to take those models OUT of 2nd hand circulation.
Why do they consistently release new ranges and occasionally new races? To make the previous ranges obsolete, so the hunger is for the new ones and not the 2nd hand options.
How do I know this?
I used to work for them ;-)

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All I know is that Privateer Press sells certain large all pewter models at roughly 35 - 50 bucks. Been doing so for many years. Then, they started to move their line to a plastic/resin instead from all pewter.

They have come out with large model plastic kits that combine, usually, three of the pewter kits into one kit, and in every case, the three in one plastic kit (which you can magnetize and have essentially three variants of a model instead of the single pewter one) the price has DROPPED. So

PP has essentially went from selling three models at roughly 45 bucks each, to selling a single model at 39 bucks which can be used as three separate models (since in the PP game, you don't normally use doubles of a large model anyway).

Other companies DO drop their prices at times. So how come the world you say affects only GW prices, yet other companies can actually LOWER their prices? I guess GW must live in a world of their own....


Funnily enough, GW dropped the price of their Dreadnoughts when they went to plastic, and included a boatload of options.

Funnily enough, PP raised the cost of plastic Cryx jacks 25% compared to their metals.

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GW then released even more options for their dreadnoughts that aren't included in the kits that went to plastic.

They then, as far as I can tell, released other dreadnought models and designed them ever so slightly differently that they aren't cross compatible with their other models.

EG, The Furisio Dreadnought chestplate is not compatible with the normal dreadnought plate.

The furisio, dreadnought and black reach dread arms are not compatible (without magnet magic etc).
   
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Henners91 wrote:I've defended GW quite vehemently in the past; I used to say 'It takes me about a week to paint up a squad of Guardsmen that cost me £12; you go to the cinema for £7 and you're entertained for only two hours'.[/b][/i]


You do realise, that in australia, we pay $50 for 10 guardsmen...

I think you brits have little to complain about to be honest. Even if 70 gib is a lot, it's nothing like paying 180$ For something that should be far closer to your price.

It is, after all, the same product, is it not?


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Compel wrote:GW then released even more options for their dreadnoughts that aren't included in the kits that went to plastic.

They then, as far as I can tell, released other dreadnought models and designed them ever so slightly differently that they aren't cross compatible with their other models.

EG, The Furisio Dreadnought chestplate is not compatible with the normal dreadnought plate.

The furisio, dreadnought and black reach dread arms are not compatible (without magnet magic etc).


Are you sure? usually GW's very good about making everything cross compatible. I know about the AOBR dread, but that's because it's a specific piece and they're assuming the user isn't going to have a dreadnought to use with it.

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Captain Toad wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Im always right and I never listen to any other arguments.


Yes I think I got that from your earlier negative tone when you were trolling the poor member earlier in the thread.


Easy there mate. No need to get snappy. Earlier I was having a discussion with Luna. It's what we do here on dakkadakka.com. And please don't misquote me. Its poor form.

Captain Toad wrote:
Text books are indeed designed to be reused. No argument there.
Gaming miniatures are not textbooks Barksdale !!


Thanks for the tip. Its just an example of another product where a similar pricing strategy is used.

Captain Toad wrote:
GW doesn't want any of their models on eBay or sold second hand anywhere. They want first time buyers to use them and lose them so there are no cheap options available on a 2nd hand market. That is business. Why should GW want a second hand market that can and does impact their retail sales?
They don't make anything from it.. They have a good reason not to be fond of eBay.
GW got the fright of their lives when eBay took off and they fight it often and hard to keep control of their material and IP on eBay (and elsewhere) through the years. The fights are documented if you care to look.
The only place GW want their models after they have been purchased, is in the rubbish bin.
There is no built in cost to cover 'on-selling' of their merchandise.
That is an outright fallacy.


What is relevant is that there IS a secondary market not whether GW wants one. And since one exists GW IS going to take advantage of this, just like any other company selling a product with a high resale value in a secondary market.

Captain Toad wrote:
Why do they send their overstock and their old ranges of models that are not in the collectors ranges to the dump, for tax purposes and to take those models OUT of 2nd hand circulation.
Why do they consistently release new ranges and occasionally new races? To make the previous ranges obsolete, so the hunger is for the new ones and not the 2nd hand options.
How do I know this?
I used to work for them ;-)


To stoke the hunger for new minis?? It's all a conspiracy for you isn't it?

They would terminate production way ahead of release in order to sell off as much as possible. If any is left it would be sold at a discount in-store. In fact, I remember getting discontinued minis at quite the discount. And I guess you were on the marketing board that decides to set prices? Riiiiiight.

This is not just some random thing I'm talking about but the result of 60 year old literature. It is a common practice in many markets. If you care to look you can start with “Considerations in the Setting of Retail Prices” Journal of Marketing, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Jul., 1949), pp. 1-12.

   
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Yeah mate, you know everything... thats why you're on here banging heads with everyone in the thread and ranting on about it to an unreceptive audience.
Nice work.

To stoke the hunger for new mini's goes hand in hand with decreasing the interest in the previous edition miniatures, thereby increasing sales of the new and reducing interest in the older minis in the 2nd hand market.
I thought you might have worked that out for yourself because it's pretty obvious they have been doing this for a decade now... oh well...

What conspiracy?
Oh dear... lost cause locker for this one. O_o

I know it's not some random thing you are discussing but it's not an issue that GW factor into when selling their new ranges of mini's. Whether you choose to accept that or not is up to you but I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

   
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Barksdale wrote:
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Barksdale wrote:It's not really that expensive when you consider all the time you get of the minis.



It's only fair to compare the prices to those of GW's competitors in the same industry. You can play practically any one and it will be cheaper to play than GW's core systems, in the way that they intend you to play them.


Its not fair. Your comparing apples to oranges. Sure both are fruit but they taste way different. I

What your paying for is the quality of the customizable plastic kits that GW puts out. None of the other companies even compare. If you don't care about that no one is forcing people to buy GW minis just to play GW games. Use the cheaper mini's from company x if you want. Just remember you get what you pay for.

You can pick up a pretty slick army of GW minis for 1200 euros thats going to give you enjoyment for a long time. Thats what, 100 euros/month over the year??? That isn't expensive at all sorry.


Yes that's right, but that 1200 euros if far more than most (especially casual) players would be willing to pay. I love some of GW models, and I've collected probably thousands of them over the past 20 years or so. But, the point is that there are many other (far cheaper) options out there these days. My current FoW project (for a standard 1500pt army) is going to come to less than £100, and that's bought new. Anyone who has started to get into miniature wargaming, and has started to look on the internet (which I think is a given for anyone getting into any new hobby these days, the consumer base can only become more internet savvy) will see that there are many, many other options available if they want to paint miniatures and put them on the tabletop. A lot of those options were not available, or at the very least were less accessible, a decade ago. GW's pricing strategy might have made sense had they been the only competitor in a market of 1. Unfortunately for them this is no longer the case, and Privateer Press reportedly getting a market share approaching that of GW in the US is testament to that. There is barely a WFB player at my club now who doesn't have Mantic stuff as their rank and file, and new players coming in generally look at the popular skirmish stuff (SAGA and Malifaux being most popular). It's important to recognise that the difference in price is not inconsiderable to most people, away from the hardcore fan element that populates forums.

As much as I want GW to continue as a company, I hope they can start to realise that the market has expanded and that they need to takes stock of what their rivals are doing. The sooner that happens, then maybe we will be less likely to get the perennial price increase, trade embargo, the poor Finecast quality control, a crappy WD* and complete lack of marketing which completely fails to create any sense of anticipation among the consumer base. Whether this is likely to happen I don't know, considering that Rick Priestly said barely a year ago (when he left GW) that the upper echelons of the company pay no heed at all to their rivals.

I think even the customers who are prepared to pay current GW prices now, and are writing in defense of the prices, would be happy if the company made a little more effort to give more bang for their buck.

* Although, I did hear that big changes are afoot at White Dwarf. Apparently the fans aren't the only ones complaining about it..


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Barksdale wrote:All I'm saying is what else is going to give you years of enjoyment for 100 euros/month? Not much. Well maybe some puppies or kittens...

Just in the miniatures range - a complete historical army, a WarMachine army or two, Flames of War, a complete infinity army...

Then you could go buy some D&D books and a few board games.

You'd probably have enough left over to buy a complete army from Mantic if you really wanted to play Games Workshop games.

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Captain Toad wrote:Buckle up people, by the end of the month we will be entering into the period where GW deliver their message of the Annual Price Hike, so it's all going to get even more expensive overnight.

I don't buy ANY GW models from GW.
I only buy them from eBay and then only when I can get a deal.


I hope you never game in public or at any FLGS with your 'I am smarter than you, I buy internet discounters and second hand only!" as that does NOTHING to help the brick and mortar stores who pay the rent on the air you breathe while gaming in their store.

If you are just a model colector or play in your own house, then enjoy your access to cheap models and accept you are not and never were GWs customerbase and they simply don't care about you or what they do as GW doesn't care if that 18 month quitter sells his stuff on ebay to you or his mom simply throws it in the garbage when he goes off to college...

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