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Testify wrote:London. It's a dump.

Dude, no way. London is one of the best cities in the world. Its up there with Paris, Rome, Istanbul, and all my other favorites.

Featherston (Feddy Town!), its a town in the region of the Wairarapa in NZ, its got like P-lab in every second household and people that live there are just crazy. (Thought it's not really a city, its more or less a village to world standards.)

Da Boss wrote:I was going to reply to PapaPiggy again, because his post made me angry. But seeing as the thread has devolved into something more amusing, I'll leave it be.

You finally get it! Now join in and make fun of something already. Cut loose and have fun.

And Colorado isn't bad. Its the drive from Topeka Ks to Denver CO that would kill you. There isn't a single thing all the way. Besides an adult super market. There are plenty of trees, but that is it. And the reason behind higher crime rate in London over New York city, Is because the criminals don't live in New York city, Even they know better than that. They just come in on the week ends do what they need to do and leave.

Speaking of New York city, It could have the lowest crime rate in the world and would still be a crap hole. Have you seen pictures of it? You can't drive any where because of the traffic. Every where in half the city is high end places that no one can afford. And not to mention, Ever see a Wal-Mart in new york city? I haven't seen one yet. And if a city doesn't have a Wal-Mart, Its not worth going to or living in!

dogma wrote:

Testify wrote:London. It's a dump.

Dude, no way. London is one of the best cities in the world. Its up there with Paris, Rome, Istanbul, and all my other favorites.

Its a good laugh on the piss, I think that generally people think London is a dump because compared to our little towns and shires, Its massively crowded and dirty.. but I think you could say that about any big city in the entire world personally. I fething loved it in New York, but it IS dirty.

Most times In the US, The little cities get really dumpy and the bigger ones (for the most part) stay clean. But then again, In the US we do have towns that are only one big trailer park.

Worst in the world?
Mogadishu - No real govenment and violent as hell

Cape Town (In SA, a supposidly "first world" country). Violent with massive poverty

Grozny (Again, in Russia, a first world country) Bombed to hell after many years of war

Karachi. Pakistan has all the problems of India with non of the good bits. War on its boarders, internal violence and Karachi is a distilled version of the rest of the country.

Finaly:
Detroit (From what I have seen parts of Detroit look like a war zone). Poverty, violence, gang problems. People may have been saying "oh look at us and our western problems" but parts of the US are very violent.

London & New York are nice places (for a given value of nice). And FYI the violent crime rate in NY is not that high, and has not been since the mid 90's. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

Also, whilst the UK is not the bastion of politeness some in the US seem to think, nither do we have the problems people from the UK seem to think. Thanks to the way policing and govenment is funded in the UK we do not have the funding problems parts of the US do. Because they have a direct link between local funding and local tax a poor area can quickly sink in to a spiral of distruction where less money is raised in taxes, so less is spent on police, roads, sanitation etc, so the well off move out, so less taxes are raised etc etc. In the UK we do not have this link.

Odd fact about Cape Town: It is the only place in the world where a smoker has a higher life expectancy than a non-smoker.

Johnny-Crass wrote:Colorado.... I know it is a state but have you been there? Lethal bit of the state is you die of boredom.

No way, Great Falls MT has CO beat by a rocky mile.

The only place I've actually been frightened in has been the Richmond/Vallejo area. And I've been all over the crappier sides of the SF Bay. Once walked lost through downtown east Oakland with a backpack and a duffel searching for the BART, and was guided by not one but two very nice vagrants/crackheads. Only one of them tried to roll me up before the second one steered me in the correct direction.*

*for a 5 spot

Sonophos wrote:Odd fact about Cape Town: It is the only place in the world where a smoker has a higher life expectancy than a non-smoker.

Damit. If only I had known that two years ago I could have moved to Cape Town rather than quitting smoking!

PapaPiggy wrote:Speaking of New York city, It could have the lowest crime rate in the world and would still be a crap hole. Have you seen pictures of it? You can't drive any where because of the traffic. Every where in half the city is high end places that no one can afford. And not to mention, Ever see a Wal-Mart in new york city? I haven't seen one yet. And if a city doesn't have a Wal-Mart, Its not worth going to or living in!

1) If you're in a major city (New York, Paris, London, Chicago, etc) and are driving, that's your problem. They all have amazing mass transit systems. Use those.
2) Yeah, there's a lot of expensive housing in New York. But, that's because it's really nice and because the people there make enough money to afford it.
3) Wal-Mart isn't a good thing. It's low-quality merchandise for cheap.

mattyrm wrote: Its a good laugh on the piss, I think that generally people think London is a dump because compared to our little towns and shires, Its massively crowded and dirty.. but I think you could say that about any big city in the entire world personally. I fething loved it in New York, but it IS dirty.

Dude, the grime is half the fun.

Speaking of Istanbul, you haven't live until you've had to leg it from a bouncer because you danced with the wrong girl.

Grakmar wrote:
1) If you're in a major city (New York, Paris, London, Chicago, etc) and are driving, that's your problem. They all have amazing mass transit systems. Use those.
2) Yeah, there's a lot of expensive housing in New York. But, that's because it's really nice and because the people there make enough money to afford it.
3) Wal-Mart isn't a good thing. It's low-quality merchandise for cheap.

Manhatten (which is what most people mean when they say New York) you can walk most places, never mind mass transit. It's only 13 miles x 3 miles, and the top 4ish miles (north of 125th) don't have much you would need unless you live there, in which case you are already there. I'm sure there is Wal-Mart in New York, and there is definatly cheep housing, just not in Manhatten. Any place without a Wal-Mart is a good thing in my eyes.

If I had the money I would get a house in London, a flat in Rome and have a motorbike in each for when I wanted to go a long way, and cycle/walk the rest of the time.

PP: Oh, I "got it" from the start, but what I got pissed me off.

As for worst city in Ireland (the republic- I've only been to Belfast up north) Hmmm. Well, probably Limerick. We call it stab city and it's got the worst gang problems in Ireland. Which still aren't very bad.

I still hate Cork more though. Bloody cork people.

Electro wrote:

Grakmar wrote:
1) If you're in a major city (New York, Paris, London, Chicago, etc) and are driving, that's your problem. They all have amazing mass transit systems. Use those.
2) Yeah, there's a lot of expensive housing in New York. But, that's because it's really nice and because the people there make enough money to afford it.
3) Wal-Mart isn't a good thing. It's low-quality merchandise for cheap.

Manhatten (which is what most people mean when they say New York) you can walk most places, never mind mass transit. It's only 13 miles x 3 miles, and the top 4ish miles (north of 125th) don't have much you would need unless you live there, in which case you are already there. I'm sure there is Wal-Mart in New York, and there is definatly cheep housing, just not in Manhatten. Any place without a Wal-Mart is a good thing in my eyes.

If I had the money I would get a house in London, a flat in Rome and have a motorbike in each for when I wanted to go a long way, and cycle/walk the rest of the time.

I thought a cyclist in Rome would has a shorter life expectancy than a WW1 fighter pilot.

Le Havre is probably one of the worst cities in France.
It has the highest pollution rate, it's surrounded by highly toxic chemical plants and a had a serious gang problem when I used to live there (not sure if it has changed);

CoI wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Wollongong. Too many Street Gangs, Youth Unemployment, Crime and other bad things.

No where as bad as blacktown though.
But worst place I've seen is Kingston Ontario. Just across from detroit... with none of the charm. So polluted you leave you models on the windowsill to strip them... if they haven't been stolen.

Warwilla is probably just as bad as Blacktown. Also, Claymore is terrible.

Electro wrote:Worst in the world?
Mogadishu - No real govenment and violent as hell

Cape Town (In SA, a supposidly "first world" country). Violent with massive poverty

Grozny (Again, in Russia, a first world country) Bombed to hell after many years of war

Karachi. Pakistan has all the problems of India with non of the good bits. War on its boarders, internal violence and Karachi is a distilled version of the rest of the country.

Finaly:
Detroit (From what I have seen parts of Detroit look like a war zone). Poverty, violence, gang problems. People may have been saying "oh look at us and our western problems" but parts of the US are very violent.

London & New York are nice places (for a given value of nice). And FYI the violent crime rate in NY is not that high, and has not been since the mid 90's. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

Also, whilst the UK is not the bastion of politeness some in the US seem to think, nither do we have the problems people from the UK seem to think. Thanks to the way policing and govenment is funded in the UK we do not have the funding problems parts of the US do. Because they have a direct link between local funding and local tax a poor area can quickly sink in to a spiral of distruction where less money is raised in taxes, so less is spent on police, roads, sanitation etc, so the well off move out, so less taxes are raised etc etc. In the UK we do not have this link.

The problem is, many people think Detroit is the worst city in Michigan/US, but MANY will argue that Fint, really is worse. Heres an article from last year
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17YouRhere-t.html?_r=1





As before Flint Crime
http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/michigan/flint.html

And Detroit
http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/michigan/detroit.html



They look pretty similar ya? Well heres the scary part, these are the best guesses of population in 2008
Detroit 912,062 (2008)
Flint 112,900 (2008)

So nearly 9x the population over Flint, Id say Flint is much more violent then Detroit

SWANSEA - "Pretty Sh*tty City" - Twin town. or "Swansea is the Death of Ambition" - Dylan Thomas. nuff said.

or if including Towns.

Merthyr Tydfil - There is a reason it's called "Merthyr Land-Fill".

Detroit. They should flatten the whole place and make it an urban combat training city.

Im guessing you breezed over all the FLINT things Ive been saying. I live a few minutes away from Flint, and have been to Detroit a few times. Trust me, Flint is far worse then Detroit.

Is that American few minutes? I say that because an American friend of mine thinks within 50 miles is local.

I mean in about 1o-15 minutes I can be in Flint, so pretty local. But Im with your friend, 50 miles is close

Jacksonville, Florida. My cousin moved there and got his motorcycle stolen in the first month of living there. He hasn't gotten it back yet, and he never will.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Detroit. They should flatten the whole place and make it an urban combat training city.

It makes Windsor look like Paris.

mwnciboo wrote:SWANSEA - "Pretty Sh*tty City" - Twin town. or "Swansea is the Death of Ambition" - Dylan Thomas. nuff said.

or if including Towns.

Merthyr Tydfil - There is a reason it's called "Merthyr Land-Fill".

Merthyr Council built a tourist information center so that strangers could ask for the quickest way out of town. This lowered the crime rate until someone burned it down.

Frome. Not really a city, but it is SOOOOOO DULL.

At least my hometown of Horsham has good shops.

In terms of actual cities, bits of Bristol are pretty bad but at least it has good bits. Also, I met 2 lovely Japanese girls there (they were on student exchange) which made me happy.

Nuneaton isn't high for death, but muggings are insane. My cousin got mugged with a butter knife, i was jumped 4 times in the space of about four months. Someone i know sliced someones face open with a penknife etc etc etc

Urban Dictionary wrote:small town in England near Coventry and Birmingham. It is known for its high population of inbreds or chavs. A slow walk around Nuneaton will likely result in death or serious injury. Obi-Wan Kenobi once described Nuneaton as being 'a wretched hive of scum and villainy.'

I would go to Nuneaton, but I'd probably be killed by the chavs or inbreds.

Nom

Monster Rain wrote:I'm going to get hate for this, but Chicago is the most overrated city in America and possibly on earth. I've been there a few times, and I have hated it more with each visit. If Adepticon wasn't in the area I'd never set foot in that area again. Honorable mention goes to Portland, Maine. Nuke it from orbit.

No hate here, but I think you're in the minority on that one. Chicago is a great city, but it has its own vibe much like NYC and LA have their own vibes. If you don't like the vibe, you don't like the city. However, Chicago most certainly does not belong in a worst cities conversation that also involves Detroit. The two are worlds apart in every measure.

All gets left to personal thoughts on the matter. I can tell you right now that both are pretty dumpy places when compared to other places.

I just realized that best city to live in. And that city is Lawrence KS, And I know this is the worst cities in the world, But i just got to mention that in the mist of all the tornadoes, Lawrence hasn't been hit by one, and the violent storms we where suppose to get turned out to be a little wind and some rain. Where as 30 mins away got hit, and is no longer standing.

Personally i think the worst cities should be ranked by what pizza they have. And if they don't have pizza they aren't counted because with out pizza it might as well be considered hell on earth. Whos with me?

Electro wrote:Worst in the world?
Mogadishu - No real govenment and violent as hell

Having been there it's a world class ruin not a city. If you levelled a Hive you'd get Mogadishu. It's pretty bleak, I remember escorting a UN World Food Program Ship into the harbour and we were waiting an hour for the Pilot. After much back and forth over the VHF radio, and being told the Pilot had left an hour ago, we watched as past the breakwater came a small rowing boat being rowed by a pair of skinny little Somali's, against a good swell from the Indian Ocean. Hilarious. I have never been anywhere the pilot was rowed out to a ship. It's the 21st Century for Christ's sake.

We sat about 1nm off the Breakwater and it was like the Wild West, there was so much gunfire all over the city it was like an Arabic Wedding. No one shot at us, although a few armoured vehicles aimed their turrets at us and when a Warship aims it's main gun/guns back at you, your bottle tends to go and you make for cover. Good times.

On topic, it's not a City its a bloody mess.