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I wish I had a GW store nearby (none within 100mi of here), I'd see if they say the same thing. Unfortunately, the FLGS here is in the dark as much as we are (GW is so horrible with their information blackout nonsense...)

Puscifer wrote:My local GW has now run out of Firewarriors.

I asked when they are getting any in...

They can't order them anymore.

This was from a different member of staff.

Probably just a shortage. I don't see why they'd change the Fire Warriors. I could be wrong, but from memory they didn't change the Necron Warriors and their models are 9+ years old.

Unless they make Pathfinders a troop choice and combine plastic Pathfinders with Fire Warriors in the one box, having the option to create a squad of either from the contents. That would be pretty neat.

Puscifer wrote:Got "advised" to wait a couple of months instead of buying them today.

Sometimes stores will react to rumors they hear on the interwebs. That was the case in Milwaukee when I walked into a store clearancing all of thier Tau merchandice back in January of this year...they had read repeatedly on Warseer that Tau were due for 1st quarter 2012. Got to love how GW's non-information policy is impacting thier distributors.

Right now, Harry has stated that Tau will be out early 2013.

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
Unless they make Pathfinders a troop choice and combine plastic Pathfinders with Fire Warriors in the one box, having the option to create a squad of either from the contents. That would be pretty neat.

That's what Harry rumored a long time ago. It makes the most sense, as the other rumors had Pathfinders becoming more "commando like" whatever that means.

My guess if anything is going to happen, it's a Finecast transfer to coincide with the Space Marine on this may.

FrozenSoul80 wrote:Probably just a shortage. I don't see why they'd change the Fire Warriors. I could be wrong, but from memory they didn't change the Necron Warriors and their models are 9+ years old.

They didn't. Moreover, Ragnar is a twenty year-old sculpt, as is Ulrik. Dante, Mephiston and Abaddon are only a few years younger than that, and they've still been recast in resin and reissued with a increased price, presumably because GW see no profit in resculpting them. The same goes for the Fire Warriors.

Stanley Rubric wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:
Unless they make Pathfinders a troop choice and combine plastic Pathfinders with Fire Warriors in the one box, having the option to create a squad of either from the contents. That would be pretty neat.

That's what Harry rumored a long time ago. It makes the most sense, as the other rumors had Pathfinders becoming more "commando like" whatever that means.

This would simplify life so much for the Tau player. However, I don't see PFs becoming a troops choice. What I do see is a FW/PF box, FWs getting a few more weapons options (rail rifles, perhaps?), and maybe a point value adjustment for both. Then again, I never really saw the PFs fitting in as a fast attack choice, aside from the requirement to have a fish along with them. I really would like to see the PF troop choice switch, and replace their fast attack slot with some sort of lightweight battlesuit (along the lines of the XV-15) armed with a TL pulse carbine and markerlights.

Harriticus wrote:My guess if anything is going to happen, it's a Finecast transfer to coincide with the Space Marine on this may.

I would love to see Broads and the commanders get switched over soon. Would be a smart move, IMHO.

English Assassin wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:Probably just a shortage. I don't see why they'd change the Fire Warriors. I could be wrong, but from memory they didn't change the Necron Warriors and their models are 9+ years old.

They didn't. Moreover, Ragnar is a twenty year-old sculpt, as is Ulrik. Dante, Mephiston and Abaddon are only a few years younger than that, and they've still been recast in resin and reissued with a increased price, presumably because GW see no profit in resculpting them.

Characters aren't resculpted all that often, which likely has more to do with it. Especially when said characters aren't all that bad looking to begin with, or when the book introduces some new characters who have no models at launch.

The same goes for the Fire Warriors.

I would normally agree, but we'll have to see how the Tau Codex itself shapes up.
If they radically change the options available to Fire Warrior squads, it might very well be a better option for them to simply redo the Fire Warrior kit.

I still think a Hybrid kit will be a mistake and will not happen.

What's the point when you can just have a better plastic kit?

Puscifer wrote:I still think a Hybrid kit will be a mistake and will not happen.

What's the point when you can just have a better plastic kit?

Unless they redo the Crisis suits, GW will stick with the hybrid. It's much simpler and cheaper to just create the resin molds for the upgrade parts for the Broads, commander, and Farsight kits. Shadowsun would get a full resin kit, most likely recast from her metal kit.

Resin is much cheaper than metal. The problem is it is highley toxic. The models are often disformed and have bubbles as well as break when being shipped. In other words makes you do some major greenstuffing plus glue or buy another model. So both ways they are getting even more money. Also the tau codex dose not need a update that badly. remember when everyone was saying that the IG needed update instead of necrons, I was like WTF!?!?!? The tau are just fine they may make finecast models but the codex is already able to combat a wardian codex.

The Tau 'dex is far from able to compete with the later 'dexes.

If you have proof against my opinion, I'll gladly be mistaken and admit it.

It needs an update more than any other, except maybe Chaos.

English Assassin wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:Probably just a shortage. I don't see why they'd change the Fire Warriors. I could be wrong, but from memory they didn't change the Necron Warriors and their models are 9+ years old.

They didn't. Moreover, Ragnar is a twenty year-old sculpt, as is Ulrik. Dante, Mephiston and Abaddon are only a few years younger than that, and they've still been recast in resin and reissued with a increased price, presumably because GW see no profit in resculpting them. The same goes for the Fire Warriors.

Which is a shame, because the quality of the Tau kits is atrocious compared to recent GW offerings.

Nurgle wrote:Resin is much cheaper than metal. The problem is it is highley toxic. The models are often disformed and have bubbles as well as break when being shipped. In other words makes you do some major greenstuffing plus glue or buy another model. So both ways they are getting even more money. Also the tau codex dose not need a update that badly. remember when everyone was saying that the IG needed update instead of necrons, I was like WTF!?!?!? The tau are just fine they may make finecast models but the codex is already able to combat a wardian codex.

...So, what color crack are you smoking? In all seriousness though, finecast resin is non-toxic, and air bubbles are a problem with ANY resin mini, and I have yet to see a Finecast mini that was broken in transit. And don't link me to that thread because it's utter GW-bashing garbage. Also...no. The Tau codex is hurting BAD. If I recall, there wasn't even a single Tau army at Adepticon.

Nurgle wrote:Resin is much cheaper than metal. The problem is it is highley toxic. The models are often disformed and have bubbles as well as break when being shipped. In other words makes you do some major greenstuffing plus glue or buy another model. So both ways they are getting even more money. Also the tau codex dose not need a update that badly. remember when everyone was saying that the IG needed update instead of necrons, I was like WTF!?!?!? The tau are just fine they may make finecast models but the codex is already able to combat a wardian codex.

GW just needs practice with resin. And, TBH, the fincast horror stories are a little overblown. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

As for the Tau codex's viability, it hardly stands up to what you are trying to paint it to be. The main problem with the Tau dex is that the units are over-costed (drop the FWs to 8 points a model, and I'll be happy). The Crisis suits need a BS improvement (not to mention a slight aesthetic overhaul).

But, when it comes to it, the proof is in the pudding...look at the tournament brackets; how often do you see a Tau army move very far? Of course, when they get their new dex, I can see Tau ending up in the same position as the current GK dex, scorned as being too OP.

spectreoneone wrote:I would love to see Broads

Let's stay on topic

Kepora wrote:In all seriousness though, finecast resin is non-toxic, and air bubbles are a problem with ANY resin mini, and I have yet to see a Finecast mini that was broken in transit. And don't link me to that thread because it's utter GW-bashing garbage.

I haven't seen one broken in transit in person (but outside of Warhammer World I've not seen many Finecast models in their blister), but people I know IRL have reported it happening to them, so I do believe it can happen.

And "that thread", as I've seen you refer to More Finecast Shenanigans on a couple of threads now, is not just GW-bashing.- when even Kanluwen* is agreeing that there are issues with the material, then there is a problem.

* Nothing personal, Kanluwen

Dysartes wrote:

Kepora wrote:In all seriousness though, finecast resin is non-toxic, and air bubbles are a problem with ANY resin mini, and I have yet to see a Finecast mini that was broken in transit. And don't link me to that thread because it's utter GW-bashing garbage.

I haven't seen one broken in transit in person (but outside of Warhammer World I've not seen many Finecast models in their blister), but people I know IRL have reported it happening to them, so I do believe it can happen.

And "that thread", as I've seen you refer to More Finecast Shenanigans on a couple of threads now, is not just GW-bashing.- when even Kanluwen* is agreeing that there are issues with the material, then there is a problem.

* Nothing personal, Kanluwen

I figured there was nothing personal, Dysartes.

That said, he's not entirely wrong. Every so often it devolves into nothing but off-topic mudslinging/complaints about the company itself and not the material which just drags it off-topic.
I personally just report the off-topic posts.

Anyways, Tau. I'm going to ask the manager at the newly opened GW if Fire Warriors are something he can restock on or not.

Kepora wrote: and I have yet to see a Finecast mini that was broken in transit.

Just check blisters of the Dark Eldar Lhamaean, the sword breaks easily in transit as I can confirm (and if not in transit, it WILL break when played often). There are certainly other examples.

Back on topic...

I'm heading to Edinburgh for a long weekend and I will pop into GW, to see what they say.

If they say anything differently to my local GW, we will know that there is no new Tau release coming soon.

Kroothawk wrote:

spectreoneone wrote:I would love to see Broads

Let's stay on topic

Nyuk nyuk nyuk. If I wanted that, I'd just buy a Barracuda and do some nice "nose art.".

Kanluwen wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

FrozenSoul80 wrote:Probably just a shortage. I don't see why they'd change the Fire Warriors. I could be wrong, but from memory they didn't change the Necron Warriors and their models are 9+ years old.

They didn't. Moreover, Ragnar is a twenty year-old sculpt, as is Ulrik. Dante, Mephiston and Abaddon are only a few years younger than that, and they've still been recast in resin and reissued with a increased price, presumably because GW see no profit in resculpting them.

Characters aren't resculpted all that often, which likely has more to do with it. Especially when said characters aren't all that bad looking to begin with, or when the book introduces some new characters who have no models at launch.

The same goes for the Fire Warriors.

I would normally agree, but we'll have to see how the Tau Codex itself shapes up.
If they radically change the options available to Fire Warrior squads, it might very well be a better option for them to simply redo the Fire Warrior kit.

They've recut kits in the past, keeping the sculpts from the original kit but redoing the sprue to add more options. I could easily see them doing this for the fairly sparse FW sprue, adding rail rifles, markerlights and other options to allow them to produce pathfinders (and marker drones) as well.

kronk wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:C) He wanted to do you a favour based on bogus rumours he read online

I agree with this post.

Redshirt's don't know squat about upcoming releases.

Now you've done it. You've gone and said the "sq" word. By now, Officio Assassinorum agents have been dispatched...you'd better run for your life, dude.

Puscifer wrote:I knew he wrote the IG 'dex and I really enjoyed that one. It was a good read.

I didn't realise he wrote the 'Nid one. I wasn't happy with that one. They totally screwed over the Nid players with that pile of Gak.

I hope this will be a return to form.


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Oh and in regards to the models...

The only thing I can see being kept is...

The Kroot Carnivores.

The Devilfish/Hammerhead/Sky Ray.

The Piranha.

The XV25.

These kits are still very much up-to-date. Everything else is very subpar by todays standards. The suits in particular need to be updated.

How dare you insult my beloved Tyranid Codex! Besides, it really isn't THAT bad...

Kanluwen wrote:
Why would anyone ever take a Valkyrie over a Vendetta?

If you already have enough anti-tank in your army. Valkyrie is pretty good against hordes if you give it rocket pods.

Just got back from GW Edinburgh...

Tau are not having a codex this year, but they are having a release to coincide with 6th Ed, as are all the other armies.

Could be a bunch of fine cast hybrid stuff for Broadside, Commander and Farsight.

Puscifer wrote:Just got back from GW Edinburgh...

Tau are not having a codex this year, but they are having a release to coincide with 6th Ed, as are all the other armies.

Could be a bunch of fine cast hybrid stuff for Broadside, Commander and Farsight.

I was trying not to get my hopes up about a new codex still a bit disapointed.
The thought of a new release is good news and will tide me over a bit

Puscifer wrote:Just got back from GW Edinburgh...

Tau are not having a codex this year, but they are having a release to coincide with 6th Ed, as are all the other armies.

Could be a bunch of fine cast hybrid stuff for Broadside, Commander and Farsight.

Well, good to hear that everybody's getting something new with the 6th ed launch. Anything new for Tau is a good thing, even if it's just recut sprues or reduction of hybrid kits.

Puscifer wrote:Just got back from GW Edinburgh...

Tau are not having a codex this year, but they are having a release to coincide with 6th Ed, as are all the other armies.

Could be a bunch of fine cast hybrid stuff for Broadside, Commander and Farsight.

That would be rather big meh, as those exact kits are the ones which most direly need whole replacement.

I was at Warhammer World (Throne of Skulls) this weekend. The Tau cadre usually in the Hall of Miniatures was "on campaign" i.e. not in its case, so away being photographed for "something"....!

EYIG

Embrace your inner geek wrote:I was at Warhammer World (Throne of Skulls) this weekend. The Tau cadre usually in the Hall of Miniatures was "on campaign" i.e. not in its case, so away being photographed for "something"....!

EYIG

Interesting...

Perhaps the rumors are wrong, and the starter box could be DA and Tau (How mad would all the Tau loathers be?). Would definitely be a huge boost for Tau players, and could mean that Tau would be released in early 2013 (I see DA being the next codex, judging by their attention on the WD spines).

Barring that, perhaps the explanation is much simpler, and we're getting new Finecast Broads, Crisis Commanders, PFs, Vespid, Kroot, and SCs. Either way, sounds somewhat promising!