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A flier supplement would be cool, but it'd remove half the fun of an Eldar Corsairs army. The fact that the vehicles are so stupidly quick compared to everything else.

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(No source for this but) Lets be logical about the Tau releases:
1) Most recent codices have had a flying unit. Harpy, Valkyrie, Storm Raven, Razorwing. We also have recurring rumours of {season} of Flyers. From this I believe we can extrapolate a Tau flyer, on the large oval base. A single-role gunship is most likely, though it is possible that we see a dual kit gunship/transport.

2) Tau now have some of the oldest plastic kits: Battlesuit, Fire Warrior, Devilish/Hammerhead, Kroot have not been redone since the release of the codex. The crisis suit is the most dated, and forms the basis for four options within the codex. The XV8 kit will be redone, possibly to make it look more like the Forgeworld kits, but more likely an even further evolved look (the forgeworld commander or broadsides). If the fluff continues as it is currently, we might see some of the current 'Commander-only' pieces make it into the new design.

All these sprues are relatively old and 'sparse' compared to new sprues. I don't think that FW will be redesigned, but I can see the sprue being recut to add more gear (esp markerlights and alternative helmets for a dual Pathfinder/FW kit).

3) Tau still have a few all-metal units. Pathfinders, Vespids, Krootox, Kroot Hounds. Pathfinders might make sense as a dual kit with fire warriors. Vespids will go to finecast. Krootox and Kroot Hounds IMO should be recut and put on the Kroot sprue in plastic. I believe Kroot Hounds must be the most expensive $ per point model in the game (feel free to prove me wrong) and their sales will tank even more in finecast. Similarly, Krootox don't have any real point and so should be recut in plastic and with alternate weapons options (heavy flamer) - although I wouldn't put it past GW to make the mistake here and try to charge me $30 for 12pts of hounds. Sniper teams also will go finecast.

Alternatively, Firewarriors stay as they are and we get a dual kit with pathfinders and some other, as-yet-unseen specialist squad: a special weapons team or a dedicated rail-rifle team.

4) The vehicles are still relatively well liked and have aged quite well. I don't see any changes here.

5) What happens to broadsides really depends on how the Crisis suits get redone. I suspect they will be in the same plastic kit as Crisis, done in such a way that they share as few components as possible and magnetization is impossible. They are a very high selling unit, and the straight lines of the railgun make more sense to be sculpted digitally in plastic.

6) Another elite kit, possibly XV9.

7) Finecast upgrade kits for a few Battlesuit characters. Experimental weapons and cool heads. Or possibly an entire kit.

8) Now the real speculation: alien auxiliaries. Demiurg and Nicassar are the existing races which haven't been represented yet. I think we might see a Nicassar character Psyker, a Kroot Shaper/Shaman character, both in finecast.

9) A full kit of plastic alien troops? Makes sense, but I have really no idea.

So we have a new vehicle kit, a new crisis kit, a new pathfinder kit, and a new alien kit. Add in a recut Kroot and Firewarrior kit and a bundle of finecast characters. seem like enough for a codex release?
   
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WaaaaghLord wrote:
Plague Marines are plastic/FC hybrid.

The only plastic in those kits is the backpacks and the bases.

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Trasvi wrote:(No source for this but) Lets be logical about the Tau releases:
...

So we have a new vehicle kit, a new crisis kit, a new pathfinder kit, and a new alien kit. Add in a recut Kroot and Firewarrior kit and a bundle of finecast characters. seem like enough for a codex release?


I think you've pretty much hit it.

We might see a Tetra kit in plastic, too. I'm hoping the putative flier will be an Orca gunship.

The codex doesn't need a lot of new units, though they will sell if they are any good. It needs a thorough revision of the rules and points costs.

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Kilkrazy wrote:One of the big Tyranid models is mixed media -- plastic and Finecast.


I think that you're talking about the old HT, made with a FC Torso with a Monstrous Creature arms sprue.

I think...

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Ledabot wrote:
spectreoneone wrote:
Ledabot wrote:Um, they have gear to help them while they are far from the enemy. Why would a sinper rifle not be a good option in terms of fluff and actual playability? Lets face it. BCs are gack. They will never be truely effective against anything short of orks. You don't want stealthys to be close! you want them to camp on a ruin and snipe and markerlight the gack out fo things!


I disagree. The stealth field, while more effective outside of the effective range of the weapons, is designed to give it more survivability up closer. If you were to give it rail rifles, the enemy would potentially never have a chance to hit the suits (Rail rifles having a 36" range, night fighting rules confer a maximum visual distance of 36"). Add in JSJ, and you have an overpowered unit that could hit with anti-MEQ shots and potentially never be able to be fired upon, something that is, IMHO, broken. You'd see a lot of stealthsuit spam, with the potential of having up to 18 suits, and, assuming they maintain the current status quo of equipping alternate weapons, 6 rail rifles (Now, if they change that and allow all of the suits to equip the rail rifles, you have something really broken). I know that the rail rifles are only Heavy 1, but combining that weapon with the Relentless USR of the suits gives you 6 highly mobile anti-MEQ shots a turn, which can have a visible effect on the game.

I'm all for improving the Tau, but some things would just make the game even more unbalanced than it already is.


Really it makes no sence to waste such potential.


In the long run, it does, IMHO. When you break it down, even if you discount all of the reasons I state the unit would be broken, it comes down to another simple fact: fluff-wise, can the XV25's motive and power systems handle any other weapons, or will the stealth fields still work? We'll probably agree to disagree on this one, but I firmly believe that adding all sorts of extras is just a bad idea.

Trasvi wrote:(No source for this but) Lets be logical about the Tau releases:
1) Most recent codices have had a flying unit. Harpy, Valkyrie, Storm Raven, Razorwing. We also have recurring rumours of {season} of Flyers. From this I believe we can extrapolate a Tau flyer, on the large oval base. A single-role gunship is most likely, though it is possible that we see a dual kit gunship/transport.

2) Tau now have some of the oldest plastic kits: Battlesuit, Fire Warrior, Devilish/Hammerhead, Kroot have not been redone since the release of the codex. The crisis suit is the most dated, and forms the basis for four options within the codex. The XV8 kit will be redone, possibly to make it look more like the Forgeworld kits, but more likely an even further evolved look (the forgeworld commander or broadsides). If the fluff continues as it is currently, we might see some of the current 'Commander-only' pieces make it into the new design.

All these sprues are relatively old and 'sparse' compared to new sprues. I don't think that FW will be redesigned, but I can see the sprue being recut to add more gear (esp markerlights and alternative helmets for a dual Pathfinder/FW kit).

3) Tau still have a few all-metal units. Pathfinders, Vespids, Krootox, Kroot Hounds. Pathfinders might make sense as a dual kit with fire warriors. Vespids will go to finecast. Krootox and Kroot Hounds IMO should be recut and put on the Kroot sprue in plastic. I believe Kroot Hounds must be the most expensive $ per point model in the game (feel free to prove me wrong) and their sales will tank even more in finecast. Similarly, Krootox don't have any real point and so should be recut in plastic and with alternate weapons options (heavy flamer) - although I wouldn't put it past GW to make the mistake here and try to charge me $30 for 12pts of hounds. Sniper teams also will go finecast.

Alternatively, Firewarriors stay as they are and we get a dual kit with pathfinders and some other, as-yet-unseen specialist squad: a special weapons team or a dedicated rail-rifle team.

4) The vehicles are still relatively well liked and have aged quite well. I don't see any changes here.

5) What happens to broadsides really depends on how the Crisis suits get redone. I suspect they will be in the same plastic kit as Crisis, done in such a way that they share as few components as possible and magnetization is impossible. They are a very high selling unit, and the straight lines of the railgun make more sense to be sculpted digitally in plastic.

6) Another elite kit, possibly XV9.

7) Finecast upgrade kits for a few Battlesuit characters. Experimental weapons and cool heads. Or possibly an entire kit.

8) Now the real speculation: alien auxiliaries. Demiurg and Nicassar are the existing races which haven't been represented yet. I think we might see a Nicassar character Psyker, a Kroot Shaper/Shaman character, both in finecast.

9) A full kit of plastic alien troops? Makes sense, but I have really no idea.

So we have a new vehicle kit, a new crisis kit, a new pathfinder kit, and a new alien kit. Add in a recut Kroot and Firewarrior kit and a bundle of finecast characters. seem like enough for a codex release?


I agree with most of this, just have a couple of points that I have a different view on.

With the flyer, I honestly see them bringing the Barracuda over. It's a pretty well-balanced vehicle, being armed with an ion cannon, two burst cannons, and a missile pod (I believe). Definitely strong in the anti-MEQ role with the ion cannon, and it can potentially pop light armor as well. As for the XV9, I don't see it moving into the elite slot, as it is currently a FA choice. Then again, I would prefer the XV9 to be elite, and have the XV25 move to FA. Just my thought.

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The barracuda would, indeed, be the most logical flyer.
It's, although, quite expensive.
When the super heavy tanks from the imperial guard were introduced to wh40k, they went from around 100 quids to 70 quids, the barracuda in currently at 70 pounds on the FW store. Considering that it'll be benefit the same discount, we could expect a price of 50 pounds, which is more expensive than the other GW flyers.
So, even if it's the most logical flyer, I would be expecting something else, maybe more transport oriented, but with an option of adding some fire power.

 
   
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Trasvi wrote:
So we have a new vehicle kit, a new crisis kit, a new pathfinder kit, and a new alien kit. Add in a recut Kroot and Firewarrior kit and a bundle of finecast characters. seem like enough for a codex release?


Seems logical. Aren't the sniper teams already finecast?

I'd also like to see the TX-42 and turret options make it into the new codex...but now I'm wishlisting.

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TMonkeyGuru wrote:
...Tau are supposed to be a mainly shoot army with no chance to survive at close combat, so if that's how things are supposed to be at least they need to be a real danger at long range, with the current codex there's a lot of things that doesn't work anymore, for example XV25 are a BS 3(less than 50% chance to hit)


BS 3 is not less than 50% to hit, it is EXACTLY 50% chance to hit (1,2,3 on a d6 are miss, 4,5,6 are a hit)

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Kaisan wrote:The barracuda would, indeed, be the most logical flyer.
It's, although, quite expensive.
When the super heavy tanks from the imperial guard were introduced to wh40k, they went from around 100 quids to 70 quids, the barracuda in currently at 70 pounds on the FW store. Considering that it'll be benefit the same discount, we could expect a price of 50 pounds, which is more expensive than the other GW flyers.
So, even if it's the most logical flyer, I would be expecting something else, maybe more transport oriented, but with an option of adding some fire power.


I'd like a transport flyer too. Something like carrying 12 fire warriors or 3 Crisis Suits. Provide an alternative method to Deep Strike for getting suits behind enemy tanks quickly. For weaponry I'd say Smart Missile System, 2 Missile Pods and some twin linked Burst Cannons. So it can lay down a lot of anti-infantry shots with some light armour capabilities in the form of the missile pods.

Possibly give it the option to sacrifice transport capabilities to carry some form of railgun technology.

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As silly as it sounds, I think it's more likely we would see the Remora Stealth Drone Fighters as a Codex "Flyer" choice for the Tau.

Open up various options for guns and you've got something kinda nice there.
   
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I don't think that if the tau empire gets a flyer it would be the remora drone. GW introduced for flyers (and for the trygon/mawloc and the dreadknight) a new kind of base that they still have to secure a return on... and I don't really see remora on such bases, as a matter of fact, on the FW website, they're presented on simple flying bases...
Also, since I mention the dreadknight, and knowing that taus have the battlesuits, we could expect a bigger one, some kind of titan... but i'm just dreaming

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Its been stated before but I'll reitirate, GW doesn't really redo any ForgeWorld stuff. They don't like stepping on each others toes as to cannibalize sales, if the Tau get a flyer it will be something brand new. I'm going with the "new" Mako theory... or whatever they choose to name it, if it exists.

   
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ajefferism wrote:IGW doesn't really redo any ForgeWorld stuff.

Valkyrie & Manticore off the top of my head.
   
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Therion wrote:
ajefferism wrote:IGW doesn't really redo any ForgeWorld stuff.

Valkyrie & Manticore off the top of my head.


They only did it for the Guard codex, they didn't want guard players to be forced to by FW instead of their own models made of standard plastic.

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Actually the piranha was originally a FW model.

 
   
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Ditto the Sky Ray IIRC

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Squidmanlolz wrote:
Therion wrote:
ajefferism wrote:IGW doesn't really redo any ForgeWorld stuff.

Valkyrie & Manticore off the top of my head.


They only did it for the Guard codex, they didn't want guard players to be forced to by FW instead of their own models made of standard plastic.


Counter-point to that idea: Hydra, Griffon (thought it goes both ways), Bombard.

Counter to ajefferism: Sky Ray, Piranha, various Leman Russ variants, the aforementioned Valkyrie & Manticore, Empire Demigryphons...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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Since this thread has gone more to speculation and discussion due to lack of substantial rumors, I will lock it up for now, pending something a bit jucier from the rumor-scape.

   
 
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