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Pacific wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Aye.
He knew pretty much what Yak knew for the Necrons (which was itself a VERY comprehensive leak), so it wouldn't surprise me if he's got a reliable source or an early version of the 'dex, as seemed to be the case with the info Yak was given, IMHO.

Which came first? The rumour from Yakface or BoK?

Bit of both apparently; BoK came out with the details on the Overlord and C'tan, then Yak came out with everything else, which supported BoK's stuff. Then Tasty basically said that yaks right IIRC.

It's worth noting that Tasty released his Necron info in a similar manner, which similarly annoyed some.


Tbh, I'm not really seeing any reason we shouldn't believe him.

These rumors don't sound all that encouraging, or good at all.

The only think I've seen so far that I like is the option for "Traitor Guard".

The rest... not so much.

Still, it is early!

As long as the traitor guard would be fun and unique, rather than regular guard with the word traitor at the start.

Bramgaunt added:

As far as I've been told the unlock thing is correct, BUT!
Kharn, Ahriman etc unlock cult troops as general troop choices, as many as you whish. I heard that for each general HQ choice you grant a mark of a Chaos God, you can take one Cult Unit as core aswell. So, an army with Kharn could have as many Units of Berzerkers to go along with him as he whishes, because he's usually surounded by these guys. If you 'only' have a Chaos General with Khorne's favor he still may grant one unit of his favorites to the general to support his cause.
I was also told that you would have to name one of your HQs as your army's general, because that's the one who'll give you troop choices. So if you had Ahriman and Kharn, you'd have to pick between berzerkers and Thousand Sons as troop choices, you won't have both.

All of this sounded somehow logical to me, so i forwarded it to you guys. But it could be guesswork or fabrication, so, take it with salt.

Seems better?

So if you had no SC you could have one cult unit as troops and the rest would be elites?

Seems legit
I like the system I wonder if you have to say that in army list or start of game as it could really change your forces around?

I'll give you a hint GW already has a fell beast in the LotR range, do you think there license agreement with allow them to release a model with an identical name in it's other range?

No.

Mechanical dragon?

Absolute tosh.

This all about just generating ad revenue for his blog. There are no rumours to be found here, this thread should be locked.

Im not such a fan of buy this HQ to unlock this squad... In all honesty I dont think Kharn should be a HQ at all anyway. Going by his fluff he will kill anything he can get hs axe into. What he should be is a Squad upgrade with the IC special rule. So he can break off from the squad if he wants. Same goes for Lucius and Fabius. Though I agree with Just Dave that Fabius should be an elite choice.

Yeah but it's not exactly called a fellbeast though on the box.

There are also dwarf warriors for LOTR and WHFB.

To give BoK some credit, they did get the Necron and Sisters of Battle rumours right as well, and people had trouble believing them then too.

I find these rumors very encouraging; while most seem disappointed these rumors imply a comprehensive reworking of chaos. That is something they've needed.

Breotan wrote:

Chaos Dreadnaught is removed and replaced with a new unit (like how pariahs were replaced with Lychguard)

This conflicts with the rumor of a Chaos Dread being in the starter set.

It's pretty much the same unit but different name. I'd venture to guess that chaos dreadnoughts are being renamed into a more inclusive category, a unit that includes the likes of a variety of chaos constructs. Take the blood slaughterer for example, it's a daemon engine, but it's effectually similar to a dreadnought of khorne. In pursuit of giving people god or legion specific dreadnought like units they decided it best to make it one new unit with options as opposed to a number of individual units without any.

aka_mythos wrote:I find these rumors very encouraging; while most seem disappointed these rumors imply a comprehensive reworking of chaos. That is something they've needed.

I agree.

Breotan wrote:

Chaos Dreadnaught is removed and replaced with a new unit (like how pariahs were replaced with Lychguard)

This conflicts with the rumor of a Chaos Dread being in the starter set.

It's pretty much the same unit but different name. I'd venture to guess that chaos dreadnoughts are being renamed into a more inclusive category, a unit that includes the likes of a variety of chaos constructs. Take the blood slaughterer for example, it's a daemon engine, but it's effectually similar to a dreadnought of khorne. In pursuit of giving people god or legion specific dreadnought like units they decided it best to make it one new unit with options as opposed to a number of individual units without any.

BDJV wrote:Well he posted. http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/04/26/network-news-new-csm-codex-rumors

Okay, let's see...

With that said let us get started.

Yes, let's!

Troops choices will be Chaos Space Marines and Cultists
All Cult Marines are Elites
No new Special Characters
Special Characters will unlock Cult Marines as troops (Kharn for Berserkers and so on)

Thank you Nostradamus. We've only had these rumors for how long now?

Typhus makes Cultists into Zombies

I can't say I'm surprised he would post this. Most of his "rumors" tend to be logical progressions/wishlisting. Plague Zombies were a part of the Vraksian Renegade list dedicated to Nurgle, and in some ideas relating to Nurgle Cultists it would be flatout remiss to not include Plague Zombies.

Chaos Dreadnaught is removed and replaced with a new unit (like how pariahs were replaced with Lychguard)

Calling bollocks. Dreadnaughts have been a part of Chaos for as long as I can remember, and for that matter the removal of Pariahs and their replacement with Lychguard was not simply for the sake of a new unit. The fluff on them was silly, and I'm glad they are gone. Humans harvested and placed into Necrontyr bodies--oh, but wait not just any humans. Those with the Pariah gene--an exceedingly rare gene, mind you.

Dreadnaughts have worked.

CSM now get a Flyer a Mechanical Chaos Dragon (model is done will be part of initial release)

Uh...huh. So now we're adding a flying, robodragon?

Lesser and Greater Demons are gone

Again: nothing new, rumorwise.

Spawn replaced by “Fell Beast”

Hard to believe. "Beasts" seem more like y'know...something we'd see in a Daemons book, not here.

I feel like I am missing something…

Oh yeah…
Almost Forgot...
Rules for Traitor Guard are in!

And this right here pretty much is putting the nail in the coffin for any believability.

If "Traitor Guard" are in, I sincerely doubt they'd simply call them "Traitor Guardsmen". They'd probably just be labeled "Traitors" or something like that.



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Redemption wrote:To give BoK some credit, they did get the Necron and Sisters of Battle rumours right as well, and people had trouble believing them then too.

Sisters of Battle rumors existed waaaaaaaaay before they posted them. The Necron rumors that they had posed a problem as--much like this case--when it was posted that "We have some news to bring you!", their website was inaccessible for awhile.

Bavius wrote:His website loads awfully slow. Wonder if he's just getting slammed with traffic. Thanks for posting these tidbits. I don't like that they are losing the dread and gaining a dragon? What?

I can't get to the site at all. Between four devices and two entirely different locations... BoK never loads. I have a hard time believing anything from a website that seemingly doesn't even exist.

Oh, and re: Cultists, I hope they get a plastic kit that looks like the DoW2 cultists.

Zweischneid wrote:Has any credible rumour-guy (or girl) confirmed the Legion-thing?

I keep saying that Legion-codex rumour sounds like net-wishlisting taking on a life on its own (largely because it would require massively changing the existing fluff that states fairly clearly that most Legions are defunct, or at best represented by Renegades that have split with their Legion like Ahriman). But since I am on the record as a fan of Corsairs and Renegades, I only ever get accussed of trolling for brining it up. For other reasons than most, perhaps, but I'd also love to know if someone can pinpoint that "Legion-Codex"-rumour with some precision? Anyone?

No, you just get accused of trolling because you're wrong (a lot of the time).

As for these rumors, I can't say I'm a huge fan. Yes, let's remove Daemons. But hey, you get a dragon! Yeaaaah I'll pass. Worst comes to worst, I keep using Spacewolves for my World Eaters force.

Have there been any rumors of Chaos Attributes/Mutations coming back? This will be a huge deal breaker/deal maker for me. In order to "fix" Chaos we need to go back to its roots, not keep adding and removing crap that nobody wants.

Kind Regards,
Vladsimpaler

unmercifulconker wrote:

Breotan wrote:

Chaos Dreadnaught is removed and replaced with a new unit (like how pariahs were replaced with Lychguard)

This conflicts with the rumor of a Chaos Dread being in the starter set.

Maybe they look very similar and so they thought it was a dread?

Like the Decimator Daemon Engine from Forgeworld?

aka_mythos wrote:It's pretty much the same unit but different name. I'd venture to guess that chaos dreadnoughts are being renamed into a more inclusive category, a unit that includes the likes of a variety of chaos constructs. Take the blood slaughterer for example, it's a daemon engine, but it's effectually similar to a dreadnought of khorne. In pursuit of giving people god or legion specific dreadnought like units they decided it best to make it one new unit with options as opposed to a number of individual units without any.

I had forgotten about the blood slaughterers. Also, with all of the Legion Dreadnoughts that Forge World makes, wouldn't they just call them Daemon Engines or something else rather than make them 100% obsolete? Seems silly to drop an entire line of models (Chaos Dreadnoughts) from Forge World.

Yeah, I can just see it becoming a bit more open. It could be a dreadnought, decimator, blood slaughterer, daemon engine, whatever. Hell, it might even encourage conversions!

Someone called 'Clarify_leak' posted on Warseer:

Just a quick one to clarify a rather hilarious mistake; GW is working on a 'dragon' for 40k. Just not for Chaos.


EDIT: tried contacting Blood of Kittens directly, but their server is down.

CSM now get a Flyer a Mechanical Chaos Dragon (model is done will be part of initial release)

My reliable source on the inside has let slip a little more info regarding this new model.

This creature is called the Chaos Harbinger (although most people just call it a dragon). it's mechanical, but not completely, and has nasty flesh bits on the model (kind of like Obliterators).

Its stats are mostly in line with the Trygon's (plus wings, of course). Breath of Chaos is a given (flamer that wounds on 4+ and ignores armor).

Under the 6e rules, it will become one of only two units in existence that will count as both MC and Flyer (the Harpy is the other one). If the Harbinger chooses to utilize the Flyer's rate of speed, it won't be able to shoot or assault (but may still make a strafe attack, see below).

The creature can be taken as a Heavy Support choice, or it can be used as a mount by a Chaos Lord.

If used as a mount, it counts as a one-man transport for the Lord. Shooting attacks hit the Harbinger, while close combat attacks can be allocated to either the Lord or the Harbinger.

During the Movement phase, a Harbinger can make a "Strafe" attack against one unit that he moves over during the phase. The Harbinger is lined up facing the unit, moves straight ahead (kind of like a tank shock), and any model that its base passes over takes a hit from its breath weapon. If it makes this attack, it can't shoot its breath weapon in the Shooting phase, but can still assault in the Assault phase, provided it didn't move too far.

My source also hinted that the model would serve as a basis for a similar addition to the new Daemon codex (however far in the future that is). The creature will be able to serve as a mount for Skulltaker, who will be able to fly across the table chopping people's heads off on a 4+.

And there were some not-so-subtle hints that the use of a MC as a transport would pave the way for more such models, including (finally) the oft-rumored Transportofex.

I have to say, I'm pretty excited about this new model. It might be a little OTT, but I think it'll fit into the Chaos Space Marine fluff nicely.


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Redemption wrote:Someone called 'Clarify_leak' posted on Warseer:

Just a quick one to clarify a rather hilarious mistake; GW is working on a 'dragon' for 40k. Just not for Chaos.


EDIT: tried contacting Blood of Kittens directly, but their server is down.

Someone made an account just to clarify a rumor? Definitely a troll, because it conflicts with my inside info.


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Just to clarify, /sarcasm.

But if GW did do it, I think they'd do it like that.

The Chaos Flying Dragon has been leaked!

The scary thing, this is kind of how I imagined it, or maybe mecha-godzilla

Cerebrium wrote:I'm...OK with this.

I mean, as an IW player, mechanical dragon sounds awesome!

I agree. The only issue...its GW. They have a habit of Dropping the ball on things that could be totally epic...the Dreadknight for example.




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Brother SRM wrote:The Chaos Flying Dragon has been leaked!

Sadly I can picture them doing almost exactly that...

Brother SRM wrote:The Chaos Flying Dragon has been leaked!

This pic looks accurate, but it doesn't reveal the most devastating feature of the Chaos Harbinger.

When you take two Dragons as mounts and three as Heavy Support choices, you end up with five dragons. If you do this, you can combine all five into a mighty beast that bears no small resemblance to a depraved Chaos Voltron!

The models will actually be able to combine, by the way. In a daring feat of corporate legerdemain, GW has stealthily acquired the rights to Transformers from Hasbro, and we'll be seeing more transforming and combination kits from them in the future.

Edit: At $57.00 (US) each, we're looking at $285 for the whole kit. I can hear those GW corporate heads cackling manically already!

Redemption wrote:Someone called 'Clarify_leak' posted on Warseer:

Just a quick one to clarify a rather hilarious mistake; GW is working on a 'dragon' for 40k. Just not for Chaos.


EDIT: tried contacting Blood of Kittens directly, but their server is down.

The only dragon in 40k I know of is the void dragon.......

If we're going off actual things named "dragons" there's the Void Dragon and the Dragon C'Tan.

However, if one were to think of what could translate or best be described as a "dragon"...

There's always the Harridan.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:

Mechanical dragon?

Absolute tosh.

My thought is this: What would a 40k scale update of the Doomwing look like? It was mechanical with wings and had a skeletal dragon sort of head... So I've heard crazier.

We only have 4 real examples of chaos flyers the two FW ones and the epic pieces which both look like dragons.

Plastic Fire Dragons?

Redemption wrote:Someone called 'Clarify_leak' posted on Warseer:

Just a quick one to clarify a rather hilarious mistake; GW is working on a 'dragon' for 40k. Just not for Chaos.


EDIT: tried contacting Blood of Kittens directly, but their server is down.

Blood of Kittens saying there will be a Chaos mecha-dragon is of value, even if it proves to be false: at worst, it allows us to better evaluate the accuracy of BoK's rumours in the future. Some nobody saying there's a dragon somewhere in 40k is too vague to be useful.

Yeah, we should really keep a scorecard thread in News and Rumors. Everytime a new 'rumor monger' pops up, we track their rumors and when the release is made they get a pass/fail/pending rating.

Kinda like that site that does truthiness testing on political candidates.