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But why are combat squads far more expensive than tactical squads?

Having just rediscovered 40k after being completely alienated by 3rd edition 15 years ago, I was absolutely gobsmacked when I walked into gw a few weeks back. Aside from the horrendous, down your throat, pushy staff, the prices are absolutely ludicrous - so I did the obvious thing, and have bought every last model of my reasonably big ork army from ebay.

It appears that gw have deluded themselves into thinking they have no competition in their own market - but when nearly every miniature they have sold in the last 25 years is still perfectly useable, it surely doesn't take a genius to work out that they need to actually create an incentive to buy new.

I don't like only ever getting second hand miniatures. I'd rather have new ones - I'd be an easy customer for gw to lure in with competitive pricing or special offers - like in EVERY other retail sector.

A 5 minute browse through these forums would quickly demonstrate to a bright young gw marketing or pricing exec that there must be thousands like me.
The mind boggles.

Wafflecakes wrote:But why are combat squads far more expensive than tactical squads?

They're not. A tactical squad costs $37.25, while a combat squad only costs $25.

The value of the combat squad is worse because you're buying in less bulk, but the up-front cost is lower. As I said before, this is part of a general trend going on right now to un-bundle things in favor of lower value, but lower up-front cost, and more efficient purchasing.

Just getting into 40k here and it's an extremely expensive hobby. $50 for a terminator squad... $40 for a dreadnought...

Wafflecakes wrote:Aside from the horrendous, down your throat, pushy staff

I find the staff the same here in AU. They follow you around the store constantly trying to talk to you and telling you about anything you touch and how 'cool' it is...

Just makes me really uncomfortable that i cant browse in peace :/

Just done a spread sheet and for me to start again with a decent sized force will cost min of 400pounds or 1100pounds for the FW 30k army I want, def used to be cheaper in 2nd.

I will only start up again though on the basis I can get at least a game a week

I live in the NZ as such GW stuff is very dear probably twice the amount some of you other gamers in the USA or Europe pay even when you convert it in the revenant currency. whilst I curse the evil company that makes me pay so much for the models I like to by but sadly I have an addiction to warhammer and I still buy models even though it costs so much though I try to lessen the blow by saving money up each month which is my warhammer 40k fund, buying stuff online though trademe (NZ version of eBay) or waiting for the boxing day sale in other towns where shops that sell GW stuff sometimes have a 20% sale on it. Whilst I know GW has to make a profit what annoys me is why can't they have a sale every so often where the have a certain % off their models or do a buy two get one free obviously knowing GW it will never happen but don' know why the don't as I work in a hardware retail shop (not the same I know) and nothing increases profits or sales than if you have a sale which makes more people buy more stuff since it is cheaper.

This is my own opinion so please don't verbally attack me for my beliefs like what is happening in this thread with some people I love GW and will continue buying stiff it is just the price makes me buy less than I want to hell I only have one army when I want four.

Dragonzord wrote:

Wafflecakes wrote:Aside from the horrendous, down your throat, pushy staff

I find the staff the same here in AU. They follow you around the store constantly trying to talk to you and telling you about anything you touch and how 'cool' it is...

Just makes me really uncomfortable that i cant browse in peace :/

THIS! That is exactly what I can't stand... Constant following, talking bout everything you look twice at, trying to up sell you on EVERYTHING and to leving you to think for a minute or just have a browse.. It's so annoying, and to top it all off, it's the Aussies that started this trend of pushy sales... What I also dislike is if I disagree with the advice of a redshirt, I'm left feeling like I just stabbed someone, as though I couldn't possibly form my own opinion of what I like (such as preferring other brands of paint to GW) ...

Meh, the staff cuts and store downsizes here in Australia sounds like a death knell to the red shirt army... IMHO..

I second that! I switched to war machine a few months back and have had a blast. I can get in more games during a play session, start playing at a MUCH smaller buy-in and slowly build up from there. Also, if I get tired of running mechs, I can switch to Hordes and use war beasts instead and still play against either version.

Let GW hike their prices, they are only hurting their bottom line by pricing out younger interested players who don't have a steady enough income stream to get established into the hobby.

You know, the constant price hiking is really great in one way. Buy a battleforce now. Wait a year or two, trade the battleforce in for more minis at a higher cost, or sell it for a profit online.

Profit from the GW profiteering. :V

Zagblitza wrote:You know, the constant price hiking is really great in one way. Buy a battleforce now. Wait a year or two, trade the battleforce in for more minis at a higher cost, or sell it for a profit online.

Profit from the GW profiteering. :V

was considering this myself. Buy stuff from murricans on ebay, then resell to AU at less than our local price...

I started buying into 40k just as 6th ed came out for necrons. But thats my luck, wait to have a stable job I enjoy, prices go up.
Need 2+ saves, (and this actually happened), get four 1s in a row. I'm that good.

I just don't buy anything new from GW, especially since I'm a sisters of battle player. Total cost of my army has probably hit the $500 range (shipped) total value new is well over $1000 at this point. Go ebay and swap shop! My next army is 'Crons so I figure I'll wait till Tau come out and pick one up cheap used after that I'll just move on to greener and cheaper pastures. Infinity seems rather attractive...

- in other news....

GW annnouced earlier that it is, indeed a business, and that the goal of the business is to make money by selling product based on its IP to gamers.

elsewhere in the world, it was finally decided that if an individual does not want a particular good or service, they are not required to hand over currency to obtain it against their will. this ruling is steeped in controversy, as there are many that believe you should be forced to purchase items you do not want or need. an appeal has been set for the supreme court, but both sides will not comment on this matter until "its had a chance to be reviewed further by both sides"

I'd never buy straight from GW with their pricing. I buy from a LGS I like for small stuff here and there, ebay and online discount stores for large stuff. I've had luck with Craigslist too, got a new, unassembled fresh Hive Tyrant for $20, 3 warriors on the sprue for $20 and 3 Raveners unassembled and fresh for $20.

DarthSpader - I can't take note of anything you write.. your Avatar is just too damn disturbing!!..

Seriously though, I agree with you. Yes, they are no doubt making the share-holders happy, as is the directive of the board. But, that won't stop the reams of complaints from people who remember 'greener pastures' (when you felt like the company was run by gamers, rather than aforementioned board of directors) and who look at the other games on the shelf next to the GW stuff, and wonder why it is so much cheaper.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I just don't buy anything new from GW, especially since I'm a sisters of battle player. Total cost of my army has probably hit the $500 range (shipped) total value new is well over $1000 at this point. Go ebay and swap shop! My next army is 'Crons so I figure I'll wait till Tau come out and pick one up cheap used after that I'll just move on to greener and cheaper pastures. Infinity seems rather attractive...

Follow the link in my sig, you know you want to!

GhostKnight31 wrote:I live in the NZ as such GW stuff is very dear probably twice the amount some of you other gamers in the USA or Europe pay even when you convert it in the revenant currency. whilst I curse the evil company that makes me pay so much for the models I like to by but sadly I have an addiction to warhammer and I still buy models even though it costs so much though I try to lessen the blow by saving money up each month which is my warhammer 40k fund, buying stuff online though trademe (NZ version of eBay) or waiting for the boxing day sale in other towns where shops that sell GW stuff sometimes have a 20% sale on it. Whilst I know GW has to make a profit what annoys me is why can't they have a sale every so often where the have a certain % off their models or do a buy two get one free obviously knowing GW it will never happen but don' know why the don't as I work in a hardware retail shop (not the same I know) and nothing increases profits or sales than if you have a sale which makes more people buy more stuff since it is cheaper.

This is my own opinion so please don't verbally attack me for my beliefs like what is happening in this thread with some people I love GW and will continue buying stiff it is just the price makes me buy less than I want to hell I only have one army when I want four.

Same boat here. Alas with how things are going, Christchurch will be going from 3 shops (That I know of) down to 1 that will stock GW stuff. The 2 Toyworlds that stocked it have reduced their shop stock of GW things from 3-5 bays down to 1-2 and dropped most units from the armies. I was happy to get Dreadfleet at $100, seemed a great price. But Assault on Black Reach is a joke now. When my brother bought it AOBR was $100, when I got it I paid $135, now its close to $200. I paid $169 for the Eldar Battleforce last year, its $220 now.

If it wasn't for Trade Me, Livewire Games, Comics Compulsion and the recent heavily dropped sale prices at Toyworld I wouldn't bother with 40k in this country.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I just don't buy anything new from GW, especially since I'm a sisters of battle player. Total cost of my army has probably hit the $500 range (shipped) total value new is well over $1000 at this point. Go ebay and swap shop! My next army is 'Crons so I figure I'll wait till Tau come out and pick one up cheap used after that I'll just move on to greener and cheaper pastures. Infinity seems rather attractive...

Follow the link in my sig, you know you want to!

It's bad enough trying to collect with a low income; but the thing that bothers me so much is how pushy the staff are and how they seem to not understand that we are not made of money or don't want to spend all our disposable income on their products. If you go in for something specific they will try and flog you at least another £50 worth of stuff as if it's nothing! Worst of all is when they do it to the parents of the kids who will obviously cave in to their demands and spend hundreds.
Of course it's better quality now; but I would love to be getting a box of ten for £5 instead of a box of five for over £20 like when I first got into it.

Recently here in the South West a couple stores are now closing for two days a week. I'm glad there's a great gaming centre in town where you're just allowed to get on with things, bring in food and drinks, not be told off for swearing and get a discount on GW products.

Thankfully, my area is free of GW stores, so I don't have to put up with their pushy-ness. It would likely get me snarled at anyway, because when they tried to push something on me that I'm looking at (especially if it's something that's not "new" I would shrug and respond with "Meh, I've been playing this game for 16 years. I know what I'm looking at."

Well then I guess I am lucky, I spent a good 7 hours in my GW store today, 4 employees, they each asked me once if I needed helped, and when I said ''no, just buying paints and looking at the players playing'' they went back to whatever they were doing.

I've never had a problem with pushy sales reps at GW. I frequent the Calgary store, and didn't notice any pushy redshirt following me or anyone else around. They were on hand If I had questions, but otherwise kept to themselves.

In other stores I HAVE encountered the pushy talkative sales
Guy, and a nice "thanks. If I have a question I'll find you" works pretty well. Or the ever classic "I'm just looking" - Wich will also help you ID the pro sales guy vrs the newb, based on how they respond to that. But that's another thing altogether.

AegisGrimm wrote:Thankfully, my area is free of GW stores, so I don't have to put up with their pushy-ness. It would likely get me snarled at anyway, because when they tried to push something on me that I'm looking at (especially if it's something that's not "new" I would shrug and respond with "Meh, I've been playing this game for 16 years. I know what I'm looking at."

Yeah I've not had a problem with that either. I even once said to a young kid in a GW store when he was pushing some uber cool factoid about 40k at me and being REALLY annoying in the process that I had been playing 40k for longer than he had been alive and to please leave me alone so that I could browse in peace.

Got into an OK groove with the manager and he just says hello, chats briefly and leaves me be. Not as much of a problem anymore since the local store for me is run by a single guy now for the most part. He knows what I prefer and that is what I get.

Skriker

pretre wrote:
No idea how this thread has survived this long.

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