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Incidentally, I can still download the Necromunda rulebook for free from the site.

The fundamentally daft white dwarf shipping policies seem have stopped a bit, as I'm getting my subscription copy at the same time as it appears in the shops. Others may not be so lucky and I've seen no announcement that this is deliberate.

And what on earth is kool aid?

Kool aid is a "drink" from the US much loved by geeks and students due to its high sugar content and low cost.

It is used as a metaphore for unquestioning devotion, most often to Apple, but can be to anything. I'll not go in to why but look up the Jonestown Massacre.

I say "drink" because it can be used as a hair dye. It is artificial colours, flavours and sugar. Mumsnet would have a fit if it were sold in the UK.

Kool Aid is a very sweet american drink made up from a powder, pretty odd stuff. 'Drinking the Kool Aid' is used to describe unthinking devotion to an idea or cause, it refers to the incident in Jonestown where the Jim Jones Cult committed mass suicide by mixing cyanide in with kool aid to drink it. This isn't really a fair comparison, not just because it probably wasn't actually Kool Aid but some other brand, but mainly because most of the cult followers were forced into it at gun point rather than blindly choosing to kill themselves.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Kool Aid is a very sweet american drink made up from a powder, pretty odd stuff. 'Drinking the Kool Aid' is used to describe unthinking devotion to an idea or cause, it refers to the incident in Jonestown where the Jim Jones Cult committed mass suicide by mixing cyanide in with kool aid to drink it. This isn't really a fair comparison, not just because it probably wasn't actually Kool Aid but some other brand, but mainly because most of the cult followers were forced into it at gun point rather than blindly choosing to kill themselves.

This. While it may not be a 100% accurate comparison, it still works well enough. The perception (and perception is what's important here) is that the cultists willingly drank poisoned Kool-Aid because their leader told them to. So now you use the phrase when you wish to indicate, in not so many words, that you believe a person's devotion to something, be it a cause, a political stance, or a product, reaches unhealthy, almost cult-like levels, and that they are blind to any possible other stance and refuse to accept any criticism as valid. On the flip side, many people will use "drinking the Kool-Aid" a bit too liberally when they particularly despise something and refuse to accept that someone has made an informed, rational decision, it just happens to be the opposite of what they want.

Hey, I just saw that there's a wikipedia article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

Spyder68 wrote:I have a full blood angels army.
How do i get the new storm things rules? Is my only option ebay or to pirate the rules?

Um, you don't? Because it's C:SM only - not available to C:BA?

Scott-S6 wrote:

Spyder68 wrote:I have a full blood angels army.
How do i get the new storm things rules? Is my only option ebay or to pirate the rules?

Um, you don't? Because it's C:SM only - not available to C:BA?

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And how was he suppossed to know that if he can't find the rules to read in the first place ?

Scott-S6 wrote:

Spyder68 wrote:I have a full blood angels army.
How do i get the new storm things rules? Is my only option ebay or to pirate the rules?

Um, you don't? Because it's C:SM only - not available to C:BA?

I believe he was referring to allies, which would give his BA army access to the Stormtalon.

Is there actually a reason Blood Angels dont' have access tot eh Stormtalon or is it more of an RAW ommision.

Because BA have the Stormraven.

marielle wrote:
As for selling models - while I respect you position as MOD, and having to say what you did - you have overlooked that the fictional 14 year old had actually bought the model - and if they were in any country other than the US they would still be able to buy the WD with the rules from GW.

The point is that this is purely an issue for GW US. Looking at the other English versions of the GW site, the particular issue does appear to be available. But give it a few weeks and it might be available through the US site when the unsold returns become available. And yes it might seem pricey via the Australian website - heck everything is pricey through the Australian website - but 1.58175 .

It's also an issue in GW Canada.

So, I can order from GB:

Summary of Charges:
Merchandise Total: £4.50
Standard Shipping: £8.33
GST: £0.00
Order Total: £13.92
$21.99 CDN / $21.72 USD

No. Hell no. It costs $54 for the model, and $21.99 for the rules.

"...but buy something else and you get free shipping"

Seriously? Your solution to the way GW handles things is that we need to send them more money?

Just as it is less than useful for dakka to have numerous articles and posts urging people not to buy WD, and then to promote posts that complain when issues of WD are not available. It is simple supply and demand. If people aren't buying the magazine, then shops won't stock it and GW will not print so many copies.

Again, the problem is we're not sending GW enough money? By not buying their monthly catalogue, we're only hurting ourselves?

Is GB's economic recovery plan based solely on the financially stability of GW or something?


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adamsouza wrote:Is there actually a reason Blood Angels dont' have access tot eh Stormtalon or is it more of an RAW ommision.

From what I gathered, Space Wolves were the only army that couldn't include one as part of their regular force.

It's C:SM only. Not avalable to BA or GK (they have the Stormraven), SW (apparently they don't use flyers. Can you see one with wolf plets and the like on ) and DA (who should be getting something when they get a new codex. Hopefully some sort of landspeeder).

marielle wrote: If people aren't buying the magazine, then shops won't stock it and GW will not print so many copies.

Which makes it a poor medium for releasing new rules...

The point is that this is purely an issue for GW US.

Yes, this is only an issue for GW's second largest sales region.


Although given the number of Australians who refuse to buy directly from GW as a result of their sales practices down here, it's pretty effectively an issue here as well. While yes, it is available from GW mailorder for now, I'm not paying GW's shipping charge to get it (it does not cost $7 to post a single magazine from Sydney to Brisbane. So on top of the already inflated price, that's not happening... ) and I'm most certainly not 'buying something else' to get free shipping.

To be perfectly honest, the idea of buying directly from GW has become so foreign that looking for the White Dwarf on the GW webstore never even occured to me until it was mentioned in this thread. I looked for the issue in 3 different newsagents that I know normally stock it, and when they didn't have it I stopped looking. Ordering a magazine from a webstore and having to pay shipping on top of the already high sticker price just for a single article simply makes it a non-option.

And, again, that still brings us back to the question of what happens when those remaining issues do sell out in those regions that still have them for sale.

solution? take the model back (no matter.how cool they look) and get a refund. if.new guy buys a model and can't use it because he can't get the rules to use it, then take it back!

seriously, these aren't intangible goods. we're not talking about gas or heat or food. we're talking about a hobby! right now I have enough cash set aside for three dakka jets, but ole Gee-dub ain't getting a single red cent until I have an easy, accessible way to get the rules.

money talks, and GW will realize their shortcomings when they're staring at a crapload of plastic collecting dust on the shelves.

of course, if we can resist the urge to "gotta have em!"

DeadBabySoup wrote:solution? take the model back (no matter.how cool they look) and get a refund. if.new guy buys a model and can't use it because he can't get the rules to use it, then take it back!

seriously, these aren't intangible goods. we're not talking about gas or heat or food. we're talking about a hobby! right now I have enough cash set aside for three dakka jets, but ole Gee-dub ain't getting a single red cent until I have an easy, accessible way to get the rules.

money talks, and GW will realize their shortcomings when they're staring at a crapload of plastic collecting dust on the shelves.

of course, if we can resist the urge to "gotta have em!"

This really is the best answer, but I'm not sure a brand new gamer would only return the item they had no rules for. I know that if I was brand new to a game and could buy a model, with 0 warning that I couldn't get the rules for it, I would second guess playing any game that company offered. This rides right alongside selling someone a rule book or codex that is about to be phased out, it's crappy business practice and will drive away people who might otherwise have stuck around. This kind of thing is just GW shooting themselves in the foot, and while it doesn't necessarily hurt us personally (hell it might save a few folks some cash), I don't think any of us really want to see GW fall all over itself as opposed to step up for it's customers in more than just apologetic cs responses after something goes wrong.

They could always print the rules for certain figures and put them in the box. Not such a radical idea, some other companies do that, GW themselves used to do that with vehicle datafaxes back un 2nd edition.

Something to keep in mind...

GW print something like 200,000 copies of each issue of White Dwarf. Given the annual sales figures, there are probably somewhere around 500,000 to 1 million active GW customers. That would mean that well over half the customers which GW is selling to in a given year will not actually be getting White Dwarf.

Sean_OBrien wrote:Something to keep in mind...

GW print something like 200,000 copies of each issue of White Dwarf. Given the annual sales figures, there are probably somewhere around 500,000 to 1 million active GW customers. That would mean that well over half the customers which GW is selling to in a given year will not actually be getting White Dwarf.

500,000 to 1 million? Those numbers been floating around since `02.

Steve steveson wrote:It's C:SM only. Not avalable to BA or GK (they have the Stormraven), SW (apparently they don't use flyers. Can you see one with wolf plets and the like on ) and DA (who should be getting something when they get a new codex. Hopefully some sort of landspeeder).

Because marines are marines ?

I run mine as BA or Vanilla, whatever i feel like..

Also, there is allies in 6th.

Spyder68 wrote:

Steve steveson wrote:It's C:SM only. Not available to BA or GK (they have the Stormraven), SW (apparently they don't use fliers. Can you see one with wolf pelts and the like on ) and DA (who should be getting something when they get a new codex. Hopefully some sort of landspeeder).

Because marines are marines ?

I run mine as BA or Vanilla, whatever i feel like..

Also, there is allies in 6th.

Bwa? What dose that have to do with the price of fish? I honestly can't understand what your getting at. The Stormtalon is C:SM only.

Steve steveson wrote:

Spyder68 wrote:

Steve steveson wrote:It's C:SM only. Not available to BA or GK (they have the Stormraven), SW (apparently they don't use fliers. Can you see one with wolf pelts and the like on ) and DA (who should be getting something when they get a new codex. Hopefully some sort of landspeeder).

Because marines are marines ?

I run mine as BA or Vanilla, whatever i feel like..

Also, there is allies in 6th.

Bwa? What dose that have to do with the price of fish? I honestly can't understand what your getting at. The Stormtalon is C:SM only.

allies give you access to everyone's armory. Including those lovely Storm Guppies and Storm Bricks in different SM army arsenals

Steve steveson wrote:

Spyder68 wrote:

Because marines are marines ?

I run mine as BA or Vanilla, whatever i feel like..

Also, there is allies in 6th.

Bwa? What dose that have to do with the price of fish? I honestly can't understand what your getting at. The Stormtalon is C:SM only.

He's saying that he runs his Blood Angels as regular space marines from time to time, AND that he would also like to take Space Marine allies from time to time.

So, to him, the StormTalen fits his army just fine.

New issue of WD has Mini Codex for Demons for both 40K and Fantasy.

We will have to see if these stay WD and Apple exclusive.

Although to be honest, if White Dwarf kept up the trend of new rules every month it might actually justify the cost of a subscription.

WD 389 shows as no longer available to me on the US site. I thought army builder would have them, but the special rules simply reference the white dwarf issue number and page number. Battlescribe doesn't seem to have them currently either. Though, that may change. Seems your SOL if you didn't get them already or purchase the iPad codexes.

Steve steveson wrote:

Also, there is allies in 6th.

Bwa? What dose that have to do with the price of fish? I honestly can't understand what your getting at. The Stormtalon is C:SM only.

Just to expand on what the others have said, there are a four (?) levels of allies available in 6th, whith different levels of cooperation. Blood Angels and Space Marines can ally as Blood Brothers, the closest allies, which means there are no penalties for the two armies to fight beside each other, and even better, they can take advantage of each other's special abilities.

You need to take one HQ and one troop choice, then you can take a fast attack, heavy or elite unit (in this case, the Storm Talon). This is what I've been debating doing for my SW army; take a commander on a bike, so I can take some SM bikers as troops, plus the Storm Talon.

Now, I think I'll pass. I'd like GW to work a little harder for my money, but they keep reducing the value at the same time as they raise the costs.