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2012/07/21 15:18:51
Subject: Re:Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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So i havent played 40k in 2 years.
I have a full blood angels army.
How do i get the new storm things rules? Is my only option ebay or to pirate the rules?
My friend has 3k + points of sisters. We are back after 2 years. How does he get his rules?
Not troling by the way. How do i get them?
Money isnt an issue. But my only option is spending $600 on a ipad or ebay? Really?
Oh... my bad.. i should of had a subscription for the 2 years we didnt play? How.stupid does that sound...
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2012/07/21 15:26:35
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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I just stabbed my nose into GW's site.
Free rules look like they're on the way out. I don't remember having to pay $70 for the necromunda rulebook. I recall having to spend a few minutes downloading it though.
and i just bothered to have a look at the 6th edition rulebook. It almost gave me a heart attack.
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15 successful trades as a buyer;
16 successful trades as a seller;
To glimpse the future, you must look to the past and understand it. Names may change, but human behavior repeats itself. Prophetic insight is nothing more than profound hindsight.
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2012/07/21 15:36:50
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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2012/07/21 16:08:45
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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Sure, let's try that link:
White Dwarf 390
White Dwarf is Games Workshop's full-colour monthly hobby magazine. Every issue is packed with exciting articles and features, including: hobby tutorials, stage-by-stage painting guides, a battle report and much more. Plus, you'll be able to see photos of all the latest Citadel miniatures and read exactly what the Studio designers, writers and artists had in mind for an army.
Inside this month's issue:
There is Only War: Simon Grant takes a look at the brand new Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, and talks to the various people responsible for its design.
You'll also find full details of all the latest releases and news, plus a directory featuring all of the hobby activities in your local area.
Availability: No Longer Available
Part Code: 13249999390
Any other suggestions? ( FWIW, it was in #389 overseas, but I checked that as well)
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2012/07/21 16:11:11
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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You don't need to get a subscription to mae sure you don't miss out on rules to be honest.
Even without frequenting this site, it's pretty obvious when a WD with rules in comes out. Then, once you know one has, you can buy it.
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2012/07/21 16:15:43
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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The Shadow wrote:You don't need to get a subscription to mae sure you don't miss out on rules to be honest.
Even without frequenting this site, it's pretty obvious when a WD with rules in comes out. Then, once you know one has, you can buy it.
And if you don't need the rules at the time they are released? If you choose to pick up the model a few months later? You're out $54 plus shipping for a model you can't use in the game it was created for.
I don't have a problem with companies releasing Special Edition, time-limited products, but for ####'s sake let people know up front they don't have all the pieces they need to play.
I know in Great Britain you can probably pick up a copy at your local chemists. In the colonies, it is much harder to find, in part because the specialist hobby shops that carry them have seen how poorly it sells. The costs are higher over here, and people would rather not spend $11 for advertising.
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2012/07/21 16:33:02
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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marielle wrote:
Not on the UK site.
Ok, fine, but what about when it dose go out of stock, or it you don't live in the UK? The face remains that WD 390 will not be avalable forever and the 14 year old I was talking about will not be able to get it for long. Saying you can get back orders is not an answer. I would have no problem if there was a book of rules for the flyers for sale, or some such, but as it stands if you want to use one model soon you will need a £400 device or a time machine.
The Shadow wrote:You don't need to get a subscription to mae sure you don't miss out on rules to be honest.
Even without frequenting this site, it's pretty obvious when a WD with rules in comes out. Then, once you know one has, you can buy it.
Which dosn't solve the problem of what to do if you want to buy the model once the WD is out of stock, or if your local shop sells out.
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 insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2012/07/21 16:39:51
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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What if you arent currently playing and rules come out.. wd sells out? Then you start. Go buy a fancy model. Then have no rules?
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2012/07/21 17:12:31
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Huge Hierodule
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
 buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
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2012/07/21 17:33:50
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Steve steveson wrote:Ok, fine, but what about when it dose go out of stock, or it you don't live in the UK? The face remains that WD 390 will not be avalable forever and the 14 year old I was talking about will not be able to get it for long. Saying you can get back orders is not an answer. I would have no problem if there was a book of rules for the flyers for sale, or some such, but as it stands if you want to use one model soon you will need a £400 device or a time machine.
Can't you order from where ever? There was someone on here the other day saying they ordered from the UK site in Australia.
As to your mental experiment - are we assuming that this 14 year old cannot use the internet? I note that in your careful setting up of this trap, you highlighted illegality as not permissible - so I guessing we are not allowed to suggest torrents, sribd and the like. But I googled ork bomba rules and found numerous blogs with perfectly readable photos of the relevant WD pages, some had the stats written up. These were widely read community blogs, and some of the posts dated from pre-release and referred to the 'leak' on Beasts of War - which raises questions of whether this mythical 14 year old is allowed to watch youtube?
Still if it makes you happy - yes if you have absolutely no intelligence, no friends, and a moral code that forbids you breaking any kind of trademark or copyright rule, then the only way to find out the rules is by a £400 device or a time machine.
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2012/07/21 17:34:19
Subject: Re:Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Squigsquasher wrote:
Not for me it isn't.
Well good for you. In the US it's sold out.
Also marielle it's against forum rules to suggest that someone illegally download GW rules (or anything really), so you may not want to suggest that based on that alone. But no, I don't think "Just go steal them!" is a viable alternative.
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 Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
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2012/07/21 17:55:50
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Huge Hierodule
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Heh, heh, heh.
Am I glad to be British (and t have a subscription).
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buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
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2012/07/21 18:18:40
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Hacking Shang Jí
Calgary, Great White North
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marielle wrote:I note that in your careful setting up of this trap, you highlighted illegality as not permissible.
Yes, the carefully constructed argument requires the rules to be obtained legally. Good on you for seeing through that ingenious mental trap.
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2012/07/21 18:19:28
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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marielle wrote:Steve steveson wrote:Ok, fine, but what about when it dose go out of stock, or it you don't live in the UK? The face remains that WD 390 will not be avalable forever and the 14 year old I was talking about will not be able to get it for long. Saying you can get back orders is not an answer. I would have no problem if there was a book of rules for the flyers for sale, or some such, but as it stands if you want to use one model soon you will need a £400 device or a time machine.
Can't you order from where ever? There was someone on here the other day saying they ordered from the UK site in Australia.
As to your mental experiment - are we assuming that this 14 year old cannot use the internet? I note that in your careful setting up of this trap, you highlighted illegality as not permissible ...
Still if it makes you happy - yes if you have absolutely no intelligence, no friends, and a moral code that forbids you breaking any kind of trademark or copyright rule, then the only way to find out the rules is by a £400 device or a time machine.
A trap? I would hardly call someone not wanting to brake the law a trap. And yes, copyrighted matirial on the internet without the copyright holders permission is illigal I don't get what youtube, and wether or not someone is alowd to use it, has to do with the rules.
What I am saying is that there are many people who will very soon not be able to get hold of the rules without either buying an ipad or braking the law. I don't see why you, or anyone else, has so much trouble seeing that these people do exist and we are wondering what GW will do to enable wider access to the rules.
FYI I have a problem with breaching copyright. I don't think people should and I don't think GW should leave people with no other choice, and given the importance of flyers in 6th it will be a choice of have an effective force and brake the law, buy a £400 ipad or don't have an effective force, so the will have no choice, unless people are going to sugest that anyone who wants to play should have an ipad. Haveing had published work stolen myself I know from the sharp end what it feels like. Given that it was a small part technical piece with a few thousand sales the loss to me was probably pence, if anything, but I know what it feels like to think they have a right to something you put time in to for free.
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insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2012/07/21 18:57:54
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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marielle wrote:As to your mental experiment - are we assuming that this 14 year old cannot use the internet? I note that in your careful setting up of this trap, you highlighted illegality as not permissible - so I guessing we are not allowed to suggest torrents, sribd and the like.
Downloading illegal copies of the rules is a crime, and advocating it is a violation of Dakka rules.
It behooves GW to make the rules for its models available on an ongoing basis, if they want to sell those models on an ongoing basis.
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2012/07/21 19:07:08
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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Steve steveson wrote:A trap? I would hardly call someone not wanting to brake the law a trap.
Isn't it funny when you need to specify you'd like to gain something legally, and that's seen as an unreasonable condition? 
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2012/07/21 19:20:03
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Wait, I forgot about the numbering difference. What issue number are the flyer rules available in the US version of White Dwarf ?
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2012/07/21 19:21:40
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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adamsouza wrote:Wait, I forgot about the numbering difference. What issue number are the flyer rules available in the US version of White Dwarf ?
#389. When I didn't see the a mention of the Stormtalon in the product description for #390, I checked and found it in the previous issue. Which isn't available either.
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2012/07/21 19:30:01
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Gargantuan Gargant
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Thanks. Yeah that one was out of stock as well when I checked, The last one they had in stock was Necron issue.
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2012/07/21 20:05:12
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Squigsquasher wrote:Heh, heh, heh.
Am I glad to be British (and t have a subscription).
To quote the late, great Willie Rushton, "I'm sorry if you're foreign, but I can't help it - it's not my fault that
you're foreign"
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2012/07/21 22:12:46
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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marielle wrote:Can't you order from where ever? There was someone on here the other day saying they ordered from the UK site in Australia.
Yes, you can do that.
For one issue of White Dwarf, shipping to Australia starts at £55.
To be fair, it appears that issue 390 is still available through GW Oz (for now). With shipping, it's $18.95. I don't need to use a Stormtalon or Dakkajet that badly. And, obviously, it doesn't change the point that once that issue sells out the rules for the Stormtalon won't be available, and the Dakkajet will only be available to those with an iPad... assuming they can actually find the digital download section on the GW website. I just spent 5 minutes nosing around trying to find it from the store home page, or through search, and I'm buggered if I can find where they've hidden it.
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2012/07/21 22:29:52
Subject: Re:Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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2012/07/21 22:34:19
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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It would be a shame if GW stopped putting rules on their site. However, there has always been lots of stuff that they do not put up. Examples include the LOTR stuff from a couple of years ago. If such material is available in some form, then it is a plus.
GW needs to learn that if the rules are not available then people will not buy the product. That was certainly the case with the LOTR models.
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2012/07/21 22:41:37
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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insaniak wrote:marielle wrote:Can't you order from where ever? There was someone on here the other day saying they ordered from the UK site in Australia.
Yes, you can do that.
For one issue of White Dwarf, shipping to Australia starts at £55.
To be fair, it appears that issue 390 is still available through GW Oz (for now). With shipping, it's $18.95. I don't need to use a Stormtalon or Dakkajet that badly. And, obviously, it doesn't change the point that once that issue sells out the rules for the Stormtalon won't be available, and the Dakkajet will only be available to those with an iPad... assuming they can actually find the digital download section on the GW website. I just spent 5 minutes nosing around trying to find it from the store home page, or through search, and I'm buggered if I can find where they've hidden it.
To be honest, I don't think there is a digital download section, you have to go in to the ibookstore. Why they have not linked to it I don't know.
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insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2012/07/21 22:56:02
Subject: Re:Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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I appreciate the effort, but we're looking for practical solutions, not theoretical 
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2012/07/21 23:03:07
Subject: Re:Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Mastiff wrote:
I appreciate the effort, but we're looking for practical solutions, not theoretical
The inane solution is to harass GW Customer Service until someone gets the memo that it would be a good idea to reprint the rules, even if we have to pay for them again.
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Squigsquasher wrote:
Not for me it isn't.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440349a&prodId=prod1620093a
The product says no longer available.
So there you have it...you cannot get any more orders for this issue legally through print medium.
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2012/07/22 00:11:24
Subject: Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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I have solutions !!
Reprint the few relevant pages from the White Dwarf in question and through them in the box with the model !!
Reprint the rules in question and include them in the order if you buy the model from GW direct.
Make the pages availalble online in PDF for Free !!
Make the pages available on the GW site for $1 !!
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2012/07/22 01:27:04
Subject: Re:Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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Sidstyler wrote:Squigsquasher wrote:
Not for me it isn't.
Well good for you. In the US it's sold out.
Also marielle it's against forum rules to suggest that someone illegally download GW rules (or anything really), so you may not want to suggest that based on that alone. But no, I don't think "Just go steal them!" is a viable alternative.
I wasn't suggesting illegally downloading anything. If anything I was pointing out that there is no need to download anything.
If anything I was suggesting that you can go and buy then from the GW website. Automatically Appended Next Post: Steve steveson wrote:marielle wrote:Steve steveson wrote:Ok, fine, but what about when it dose go out of stock, or it you don't live in the UK? The face remains that WD 390 will not be avalable forever and the 14 year old I was talking about will not be able to get it for long. Saying you can get back orders is not an answer. I would have no problem if there was a book of rules for the flyers for sale, or some such, but as it stands if you want to use one model soon you will need a £400 device or a time machine.
Can't you order from where ever? There was someone on here the other day saying they ordered from the UK site in Australia.
As to your mental experiment - are we assuming that this 14 year old cannot use the internet? I note that in your careful setting up of this trap, you highlighted illegality as not permissible ...
Still if it makes you happy - yes if you have absolutely no intelligence, no friends, and a moral code that forbids you breaking any kind of trademark or copyright rule, then the only way to find out the rules is by a £400 device or a time machine.
A trap? I would hardly call someone not wanting to brake the law a trap. And yes, copyrighted matirial on the internet without the copyright holders permission is illigal I don't get what youtube, and wether or not someone is alowd to use it, has to do with the rules.
What I am saying is that there are many people who will very soon not be able to get hold of the rules without either buying an ipad or braking the law. I don't see why you, or anyone else, has so much trouble seeing that these people do exist and we are wondering what GW will do to enable wider access to the rules.
FYI I have a problem with breaching copyright. I don't think people should and I don't think GW should leave people with no other choice, and given the importance of flyers in 6th it will be a choice of have an effective force and brake the law, buy a £400 ipad or don't have an effective force, so the will have no choice, unless people are going to sugest that anyone who wants to play should have an ipad. Haveing had published work stolen myself I know from the sharp end what it feels like. Given that it was a small part technical piece with a few thousand sales the loss to me was probably pence, if anything, but I know what it feels like to think they have a right to something you put time in to for free.
Indeed neither do I advocate breaching copyright. But the fact is that you are painting a picture in which it is not possible to obtain the rules, and I am pointing out that this is not the case - indeed I gave the link to the GW website giving to the option to go and buy the relevant copy of WD (which you do not have the figleaf of US customers of not being able to do (for the time being we shall leave aside issues of poor management at GW US - the 40k rulebook fiasco being a prime example - or that with the click of a drop down menu they could order from another branch if the company apparently)).
As for your stolen work, I trust it was spell checked? Automatically Appended Next Post: Mannahnin wrote:marielle wrote:As to your mental experiment - are we assuming that this 14 year old cannot use the internet? I note that in your careful setting up of this trap, you highlighted illegality as not permissible - so I guessing we are not allowed to suggest torrents, sribd and the like.
Downloading illegal copies of the rules is a crime, and advocating it is a violation of Dakka rules.
It behooves GW to make the rules for its models available on an ongoing basis, if they want to sell those models on an ongoing basis.
As I have pointed out I am not advocating anything of the sort - and highlighting the section where I actually state this is less than useful to the debate.
Just as it is less than useful for dakka to have numerous articles and posts urging people not to buy WD, and then to promote posts that complain when issues of WD are not available. It is simple supply and demand. If people aren't buying the magazine, then shops won't stock it and GW will not print so many copies.
Besides the relevant rules will appear in the upcoming codices, and like flak missiles it is a temporary outcry while we await the new books.
As for selling models - while I respect you position as MOD, and having to say what you did - you have overlooked that the fictional 14 year old had actually bought the model - and if they were in any country other than the US they would still be able to buy the WD with the rules from GW. Automatically Appended Next Post: insaniak wrote:marielle wrote:Can't you order from where ever? There was someone on here the other day saying they ordered from the UK site in Australia.
Yes, you can do that.
For one issue of White Dwarf, shipping to Australia starts at £55.
To be fair, it appears that issue 390 is still available through GW Oz (for now). With shipping, it's $18.95. I don't need to use a Stormtalon or Dakkajet that badly. And, obviously, it doesn't change the point that once that issue sells out the rules for the Stormtalon won't be available, and the Dakkajet will only be available to those with an iPad... assuming they can actually find the digital download section on the GW website. I just spent 5 minutes nosing around trying to find it from the store home page, or through search, and I'm buggered if I can find where they've hidden it.
The point is that this is purely an issue for GW US. Looking at the other English versions of the GW site, the particular issue does appear to be available. But give it a few weeks and it might be available through the US site when the unsold returns become available. And yes it might seem pricey via the Australian website - heck everything is pricey through the Australian website - but buy something else and you get free shipping.
But leave aside all the mind games and the usual internet rage and go and listen to Rich Clark of Two Fat Lardies on episode 9 of Veiw from the Veranda - http://viewfromtheveranda.wordpress.com/2012/07/18/view-from-the-veranda-episode-9-the-one-with-richard-clarke/ - talking about the the change in digital media. Obviously one needs to keep in mind questions of scale when considering the issue?
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2012/07/22 07:49:26
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Edit: This is getting silly and you are resorting to insults... I'm not here to winz the internetz and have made my point.
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insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2012/07/22 08:01:54
Subject: Re:Is this the end of free rule articles on the GW site?
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A Town Called Malus wrote:Just because it is called "The Executioners Axe" doesn't mean it is an axe...
azreal13 wrote:Dude, each to their own and all that, but frankly, if Dakka's interplanetary flame cannon of death goes off point blank in your nads you've nobody to blame but yourself!
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