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Why even go nuts about the price at this point, seeing as there hasn't really been anything factual posted on the price so far, only guesses (which I rate the 26€ as, too)? Besides, for armies without flyers at present it's still a good thing to get them, even if it comes at a price.

Honestly I don't see the point in this book. I don't see anyone in my area using this. And I'm quite happy how my vendetta's function now. I hope people don't use this book as an excuse to hamstring my flyiers. I don't see anywhere where the new rules in this book are mandatory.

 Lorizael wrote:
My sources say this will be a 70 page "compendium".

It will have updated 6th edition rules for flyers:

Stormraven (now available to space marines and BT)
Storm Talon
Ork Bomba / dakka jet / burna bomba
Valkyrie / vendetta
Razorwing & Voide Raven
Night Scythe / doom scythe

also dog fighting rules from crusade of fire and a new flyers scenario.

Good. I missed the now sold-out WD with the Ork Flier Rules and the one with the Storm Talon. Now I can have the rules for these legally without having to buy a fething iPad.

 Spartan089 wrote:
Honestly I don't see the point in this book. I don't see anyone in my area using this. And I'm quite happy how my vendetta's function now. I hope people don't use this book as an excuse to hamstring my flyiers. I don't see anywhere where the new rules in this book are mandatory.

Given there's zero official info, of course you don't see anything about them being mandatory. Good luck with ignoring the changes if the rules in this book have any, though. You'll have the same or less chance of succeeding with that as you would with ignoring a FAQ update.

And big surprise you're happy with your Vendettas as is, considering it's the most undercosted flyer there is.

 tvih wrote:
Why even go nuts about the price at this point, seeing as there hasn't really been anything factual posted on the price so far, only guesses (which I rate the 26€ as, too)? Besides, for armies without flyers at present it's still a good thing to get them, even if it comes at a price.

Welcome to Dakkadakka where ingrates have been screaming about prices since before the dawn of man.

my only question is going to be Are they going to change the point cost on certain vehicles? bc that would be unkind if the book is limited edtion, hard to get, etc.

 Spartan089 wrote:
Honestly I don't see the point in this book. I don't see anyone in my area using this. And I'm quite happy how my vendetta's function now. I hope people don't use this book as an excuse to hamstring my flyiers. I don't see anywhere where the new rules in this book are mandatory.

Doesn't virtually every other post related to flyers on the forum say that the present points costs for the Vendetta/Valkyrie are wrong - perhaps thats now being fixed?

If its an official GW product its as mandotory as a Codex unless it says otherwise in the text............ same as the recent Ork flyers and SOB list in White Dwarf are not optional or the FAQs.

 tvih wrote:
Why even go nuts about the price at this point, seeing as there hasn't really been anything factual posted on the price so far, only guesses (which I rate the 26€ as, too)?

It is not a guess
BTW, I try to keep the first post updated on all news&rumours on this.

It will depend if this actually makes changes to rules or not, on if I get it or not.

I'd be a bit surprised if they alter points costs/rules in this. I wonder if it's just going to be them printing them, as if they were 6th edition entries, instead of changing any actual rules.

Didn't get through the whole thread, but did you just become a rumor monger, Kroot?


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I am impressed by this idea if it is true. They should have gone this route earlier with the flyer rules. It is like the Chapter Approved annuals in the old days.

Still, it's a mighty big step to revise the rules for IG/Necron and the rest fliers out of the blue though.

Why not use a FAQ?

Or is it just a money scam.

If the vendetta.is changed, keep it the same cost if absolutely necessary, but drop the av down to 10 or raise its cost to at least 200pts, av12 3 twin-linked lascannon and transport capacity, hover mode etc. The very least this thing should cost is the same as the.relatively similar storm raven.

Ot.

I like the idea of a flyer supplement, if it brings in rules like dog fights I would be happy.

A small increase in points and av 11 for the IG flyer would balance things out a lot.

Oh and let me be able to take the ace fighta upgrade on my dakka jet. Why this got faqed out I'll never understand.

It looks to me like the normal GW "regurgitate some rules in one place and slap a price on it" method.

Codex: Armageddon had a few new army lists, which at the time were being published in White Dwarf as well. The exact same argument holds-- instead of saying "why not just put the new flyers in WD that month," you could just as easily say "why not just put the Speed Freeks and Steel Legion in Chapter Approved and run two Index Astartes articles that month?" I believe (and GW apparently believes) that the community is willing to pay for this type of supplement, and historical trends seem to agree.

You can't compare this to the Armageddon Campaign or Eye of Terror codex books, not by a county mile.

If its a nice book clarifying present issues with shiny pictures, some new fluff and adding some untis for those faction lacking Flyers / defences against them it will be good.

If tis just reprintng the info already out there in one place and not looking at the issues /gaps - then its not.

As somebody who uses multiple flyers regularly, I'm kind of torn on this release.

It seems halfway between an core game revision and an expansion nobody will play after week (ie Planetstrike, Siegebreaker, etc etc). Trying to gauge the impact this book will actually have has me just scratching my head and waiting.

 pretre wrote:
Didn't get through the whole thread, but did you just become a rumor monger, Kroot?

I am a rumour tracker for years. Sometimes I find the rumours ... first

Dun dun dun!


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Well no you are a rumor tracker being tracked on the rumor tracker.

Got a Knarloc? See? You never catch me!

Damn, I should have made my forum rank copyright protected in June 2011

 Kroothawk wrote:
Got a Knarloc? See? You never catch me!

Damn, I should have made my forum rank copyright protected in June 2011

Are those... kroot emoticons?

What...?

 Shandara wrote:


Or is it just a money scam.

Possibly this. On the plus side it sounded like you'd get units who's rules are either in old WD's or in iBooks so that would be nice but of course in order to make a book out of it you need to throw in some other stuff. I would expect price point and actual rules changes to be FAQ's though as those aren't really as optional as dogfighting rules.

KaryudoDS wrote:

 Shandara wrote:


Or is it just a money scam.

Possibly this.

Since Dakkajets and Stormtalons were released: "Flyer rules are only available in WD and iPAD. I hate GW!"
Post 'Death from the Skies': "Flyer rules are only available in WD, iPAD and an expansion book that is not limited edition. I hate GW!"

I let the first response go, but... lol

I'll take a look at it. I do hope it's an update that includes point changes but on that my hopes aren't high. I would hope Wolves would get to use one of the flyers but if not it's no big deal. Either way I'll take a look at it and if it's worth it pick it up. If not go in with several others to make a quality PDF...either way is fine with me.

@Hulksmash: YEAH! I want a storm raven for my wolves so I can load it up with an Iron Priest with Saga of the Iron Wolf and a ton of Servitors and Cyberwolves and...

Well, it's a cool idea at least.

 pretre wrote:

KaryudoDS wrote:

 Shandara wrote:


Or is it just a money scam.

Possibly this.

Since Dakkajets and Stormtalons were released: "Flyer rules are only available in WD and iPAD. I hate GW!"
Post 'Death from the Skies': "Flyer rules are only available in WD, iPAD and an expansion book that is not limited edition. I hate GW!"

I let the first response go, but... lol

I think this is a valid complaint, depending on the pricing. Say someone's an Ork player, and only an Ork player. Doesn't it seem a little harsh, even by GW's standards, for them to have to buy a 40 dollar book just to legally get rules for the 45 dollar model they already bought? I see the problem with putting them up as a free PDF online (from their point of view), but why not pull a card from PP's deck and include the rules with the model until they show up in the next codex? That way nobody's mooching their rules, but people don't have to pay double the price of the model just to use it.

 Amaya wrote:

 tvih wrote:
Why even go nuts about the price at this point, seeing as there hasn't really been anything factual posted on the price so far, only guesses (which I rate the 26€ as, too)? Besides, for armies without flyers at present it's still a good thing to get them, even if it comes at a price.

Welcome to Dakkadakka where ingrates have been screaming about prices since before the dawn of man.

Are consumers not entitled to an opinion on the value of a product? Or are you the only one who can arbitrarily decide the value of a product? Calling people ingrates because they value something differently than you do is about as flame-worthy as you can get.

If this thing has any major changes... that's another slab of money out of my wallet..

If there are no major changes (ie, no changes besides adding "flyer" to all the types) I won't buy it straight away, I already have the WD rules for the newer flyers

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I think this is a valid complaint, depending on the pricing. Say someone's an Ork player, and only an Ork player. Doesn't it seem a little harsh, even by GW's standards, for them to have to buy a 40 dollar book just to legally get rules for the 45 dollar model they already bought? I see the problem with putting them up as a free PDF online (from their point of view), but why not pull a card from PP's deck and include the rules with the model until they show up in the next codex? That way nobody's mooching their rules, but people don't have to pay double the price of the model just to use it.

Oh, I completely agree. It is completely unfair that they cannot use their 45 dollar model without their $40 book and their $30 codex and their $60 rulebook and their $20 warboss and their $30-40 troops choice.

No one buys a Dakkajet in a vaccuum. All that said, I'm being silly. On a more serious note:

GW is providing you with legal ways to get the rules.
People weren't able to get it in WD. That stinks and was a bad move.
Not everyone has an iPad. That stinks and GW hasn't figured out a way to do DRM for PDFs yet.
Now they are giving you an option. At least the book isn't a $40 pamphlet with the rules for the flyers in it. They are trying to provide people with what they have been clamoring for and put some value in it.

Im sure every BT player out there is buying it and not complaining. And thats one hundo plus with book and Raven.

 pretre wrote:
GW is providing you with legal ways to get the rules.
People weren't able to get it in WD. That stinks and was a bad move.
Not everyone has an iPad. That stinks and GW hasn't figured out a way to do DRM for PDFs yet.
Now they are giving you an option. At least the book isn't a $40 pamphlet with the rules for the flyers in it. They are trying to provide people with what they have been clamoring for and put some value in it.

I don't think anyone's clamoring for this. It's one thing to sell the rules for your stuff, but there's not a whole lot of value in a $40 book when you're only going to use one page. That being said, I suppose this would be perfect for a group/club to go in on together, so everyone can essentially just pay for what they'll use.