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Best overall HQ, including army wide buffs, I have to say Vulkan.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Best overall HQ, including army wide buffs, I have to say Vulkan.

If you build an entire army list around him, I'd absolutely agree that he is amazing, also, why hasn't there been a shout-out to Lysander while we're on the subject of SM HQs?

IMP its Azrael. Buffs an army to have all Ld 10 and can bring Termies AND Bikes as troops. 4 Attacks 4 Wounds, awesome relics to give a squad a good invuln. 2+ Sv . Chooses a DA trait, great shooting weapon and CC weapon

 TechmarineNic wrote:
IMP its Azrael. Buffs an army to have all Ld 10 and can bring Termies AND Bikes as troops. 4 Attacks 4 Wounds, awesome relics to give a squad a good invuln. 2+ Sv . Chooses a DA trait, great shooting weapon and CC weapon

Ahh Azrael - the best model to target with Deathlleaper's "It's After Me!" ability. Nothing like knocking an entire army to Leadership 7 for all Leadership tests...

 Happyjew wrote:

 TechmarineNic wrote:
IMP its Azrael. Buffs an army to have all Ld 10 and can bring Termies AND Bikes as troops. 4 Attacks 4 Wounds, awesome relics to give a squad a good invuln. 2+ Sv . Chooses a DA trait, great shooting weapon and CC weapon

Ahh Azrael - the best model to target with Deathlleaper's "It's After Me!" ability. Nothing like knocking an entire army to Leadership 7 for all Leadership tests...

To be fair though, who uses Deathleaper? I've never seen him played competitively..

 labmouse42 wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:
Slow and Purposeful means no going to ground

Really? Where did you read that? If in a rulebook, what page? If in a FAQ, which one?

Edit : I just double checked the main 40k FAQ and the rulebook and don't see anything in regards to this. That's fairly significant as it applies to plague bearers as well -- which is why I'm curious to know where you found that ruling.

he is fearless, that prevents GTG

Lord of change with grimoire any day. Most of the time has a 2+ rerollable save strikes with lots of ap2 attacks and can buff the army. What more could you ask for in a HQ?

 Exergy wrote:

 labmouse42 wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:
Slow and Purposeful means no going to ground

Really? Where did you read that? If in a rulebook, what page? If in a FAQ, which one?

Edit : I just double checked the main 40k FAQ and the rulebook and don't see anything in regards to this. That's fairly significant as it applies to plague bearers as well -- which is why I'm curious to know where you found that ruling.

he is fearless, that prevents GTG

Daemonic Instability =/= Fearless and the Great Unclean One will duck if he wants to.

On topic, another shout out for the Lord of Change. L3 Divination support, a profile worthy of a Daemon Lord and S8 AP2 at initiative. If that's not enough, a Grimoire and Forewarning (See L3 Divination) gets you the ever lovely 2++ rerollable Invul. Flying so snapshots, Vector Strikes, genuine firepower applications, excellent Warlord table...

Also it may not be the best HQ ever by my Keeper of Secrets with grimoire does me proud! In the last game I played her in she killed 10 Kabalite warriors, an archon, a full wound fully kitted out nurgle lord, a squad of 5 terminators and 6 plague marines before finally dying. Utter class!

BaconUprising wrote:
Lord of change with grimoire any day. Most of the time has a 2+ rerollable save strikes with lots of ap2 attacks and can buff the army. What more could you ask for in a HQ?

How does he get a 2++ rerollable? I know grimoire adds +2 (?) to invuls and deamons of tzeetch get to reroll 1s, but wouldnt that just give him a 3++? Sorry I dont play chaos so im not as knowledgeable.

He is a Divination psyker and so has access to Forewarning for a 4++ Invul. Slap the Grimoire on for +2 to your rolls, and Daemon of Tzeentch lets you reroll the 1's.

Granted that Forewarning is not guaranteed but you have a good ~73% chance of rolling it up with Mastery 3.

Alternatively you can wait until the Warp Storm blows a 4++ across your army, but that one's not so reliable..

 pretre wrote:
Best HQ?

Celestine.

Best Warlord period and cheap as all hell. Plus she's pretty killy and synergizes great with any unit she can attach to.

If she had EW, the game would implode.

For the best part of a year everyone including our local Sisters player thought that she did have Eternal Warrior and played it so without really reading the rules.

I should've punked that bitch in one shot so many times that it's not even funny.

Iranna.

Gotcha, wasnt sure how you got that last +1 invul. Good to know.

 Billagio wrote:
Gotcha, wasnt sure how you got that last +1 invul. Good to know.

You do however get those instances where you fail to get forewarning, the grimoire trolls you and worsens your inv save and so does the warp storm...

BaconUprising wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
Gotcha, wasnt sure how you got that last +1 invul. Good to know.

You do however get those instances where you fail to get forewarning, the grimoire trolls you and worsens your inv save and so does the warp storm...

Not if you're running Fateweaver....

 Iranna wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Best HQ?

Celestine.

Best Warlord period and cheap as all hell. Plus she's pretty killy and synergizes great with any unit she can attach to.

If she had EW, the game would implode.

For the best part of a year everyone including our local Sisters player thought that she did have Eternal Warrior and played it so without really reading the rules.

I should've punked that bitch in one shot so many times that it's not even funny.

Iranna.

And then she gets up the next turn. Celestine is a reason unto herself to go second. 50% of the time she is a guaranteed objective denial tool even if she is dead.

Old Zogwort is da best.

Where did you go? silly squig commin to a HQ fight

anonymou5 wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
Gotcha, wasnt sure how you got that last +1 invul. Good to know.

You do however get those instances where you fail to get forewarning, the grimoire trolls you and worsens your inv save and so does the warp storm...

Not if you're running Fateweaver....

A LoC is far more effective for its points.

 Exergy wrote:

 labmouse42 wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:
Slow and Purposeful means no going to ground

Really? Where did you read that? If in a rulebook, what page? If in a FAQ, which one?

Edit : I just double checked the main 40k FAQ and the rulebook and don't see anything in regards to this. That's fairly significant as it applies to plague bearers as well -- which is why I'm curious to know where you found that ruling.

he is fearless, that prevents GTG

On the other hand, 4++ guardsmen, .

BaconUprising wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
Gotcha, wasnt sure how you got that last +1 invul. Good to know.

You do however get those instances where you fail to get forewarning, the grimoire trolls you and worsens your inv save and so does the warp storm...

Not if you're running Fateweaver....

A LoC is far more effective for its points.

My point was that if you were running FW, you wouldn't get trolled by the grimoire or the warp storm and could still build a 2++ LoC (I often run them together for this reason)

But there is no way that a LoC is more effective than FW, let alone "far" more. Fateweaver is worth 300 points solely for the two rerolls (making Grimoire and Grounding checks both 90% and turns the Warp Storm into a weapon), let alone everything else he brings.

I'm going to throw a vote out of left field here, I hope I don't look to ridiculous.

The ork warboss.

Soooo many options. He can get a bike, take biker nobz as troops for a death star that runs fast and hard, Mega armor, and meganobz on a trukk or battlewagon for a spearhead, and even with just ordinary nobz and painboys, can make a great way to hold an objective.

I'm not entirely crazy in my logic.

Kind of a fan of the tricked out GUO,myself , especially with Iron Arm...

Also ghazzy. Still a mean MOFO even with 6th.

 Exergy wrote:

 labmouse42 wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:
Slow and Purposeful means no going to ground

Really? Where did you read that? If in a rulebook, what page? If in a FAQ, which one?

Edit : I just double checked the main 40k FAQ and the rulebook and don't see anything in regards to this. That's fairly significant as it applies to plague bearers as well -- which is why I'm curious to know where you found that ruling.

he is fearless, that prevents GTG

He used to be fearless, now no daemons are fearless as standard, so they can indeed go to ground

Swarm Lord eats everything. A monster in CC, instadeath WS9 , 4 psychic powers, biomancy up, 5 wounds, MC, a billion attacks, 're-roll your invulnerable sucker. On top of that he both supports his army and ails the enemy. 18" synapse messes up enemy psychic powers. Let's you add to your reserve roll, gives a unit within 12" a selection of 3 special rules, including preferred enemy, can have a retinue of T6 guards. And more. He's brutally effective, I just recently had him plow through deathwing knights, 3 tanks, a couple groups of marines, artillery, as well as characters, by himself, behind enemy lines. Never underestimate his might!!!!

Chaosnight1992 wrote:
18" synapse messes up enemy psychic powers.

Synapse is a different rule from Shadow in the Warp.
The Swarmlord's synapse range is 18", but his SitW range is still only 12".

Arson Fire wrote:

Chaosnight1992 wrote:
18" synapse messes up enemy psychic powers.

Synapse is a different rule from Shadow in the Warp.
The Swarmlord's synapse range is 18", but his SitW range is still only 12".

Holy pooh , my bad, your right! Haha I havent played my nids in a while, been messin with CSM, and BA haha

Autarch on bike with laughing god, banshee mask, fusion gun and fire saber. Billy badass right there

Crons have fantastic HQ; Destroyer Lords, Vanilla Overlords, Imo, Nemesor Zhandrekh.

Imotekh and Nemesor Zhandrek are a fantastic combo. Imo gives night fight protection, put him in a cron blob: they are now relentless. Add a 75 point Lord for Res Orb and Warscythe, and back them up by a Ghost Ark. Nemesor Zhandrek then gives this blob something like Stealth, and takes Night Vision from someone like Tau or DE. Nemesor can also sit in a blob backed up by a GA, while Vargard Obyron (who doesn't take an HQ spot if you take Nemesor) teleports around. Now instead of giving Imo Stealth, you could give Vargard's squad Tank Hunters. Consider that Land Raider dead. You have Longstrike in a Hammerhead? Have 40 shots with rerolls to 'wound'.

Anrakyr the Traveller can shoot one of your tanks weapons... Apocalypse game? I'll just shoot your forces with your own Titan.

Vanilla Overlords provide access to 5 Crypteks and 5 Lords for one HQ FOC slot. While not cost effective, Overlords are great. Upgrade them to get back up on a 4+ with D3 wounds, while having a 2+ and 3++ save.

However my overall favourite will be Nemesor and the Vargard Obyron bodyguard 'upgrade'. 345 points for total Badassery. Lets not forget that Vargard can get up to 10 S7 (S8 if you use Nemesor to give him Furious Charge) AP 2 attacks.

NECRONS YEA!

To say St. Celestine earns her points back is a grotesque understatement. She's a beast and if used with strategy in mind, she can hold up whole units, take out vehicles, or even take down other super tough characters. It might take her a few turns and a few deaths, but eventually she could kill almost anyone. And only 115 points? Its the only thing in the SOB codex that isn't over priced. For absolute annoyance and hindrance factor, she's top dog.