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 Troike wrote:
The point was that they didn't feel like supporting the Templars so much anymore, so they stopped giving them their own codex and rolled them into the Marine one. It demonstrates that they have no qualms about removing codexes they don't want to work on.

Discontinuing a codex is completely different from merging two codices together.

 Troike wrote:
And we know they've tried making plastics before, so it's obviously something they're willing to work on.

You know that. I heard rumor about that, that I don't trust overmuch.

 Troike wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
For all we know, maybe they had some and just didn't communicate on it.

I don't think that they did. I recall hearing that Jes worked on them between other projects, and clearly he was able to work on them and produce the plastics he wanted without issue.

Let me be an ass and throw your own link at yourself :
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/328983.page
“However he said that the process of creating the Dark Eldar has really pushed the limits of what they can do in plastic, and has taught them a huge amount.

Many of the problems mentioned above (hair, robes etc) were the same for the Dark Eldar, but they learnt how to manage it and would now like to take those lessons back to the Sisters. ”

 Troike wrote:
Not rumours... Certified quotes from the developers themselves.

Certified quote ?
The first one from StraightSilver (whoever that is). I have no idea about who StraightSilver is and why I should trust him blindly on that, given the number of false rumor spread around. The second one is from Enigwolf, and could very well be simply rumor-echoing. The last one is from The Responsible One, and I have no idea who that is either.
Call me overly skeptic, but still, I'ld like an official written statement from GW (or maybe talking to the dev' myself) before believing something.

 Troike wrote:
I can understand that people would be sceptical if new rumours of plastic Sisters surfaced.

I was talking about the problems with making Sisters in plastic. I'm pretty sure if it is actually the case, they'll boast in the White Dwarf about how it was incredibly difficult at first but how with their experience and R&D they managed to overcome it.

 Troike wrote:
So why aren't dev quotes good enough for you?

Because those quotes are not on an official GW-hosted website or printed in an official GW magazine .

 Troike wrote:
Then why not continue the Squats or the Black Templars? They could have kept milking those particular cows, if theyd felt like it.

Squats were really a different time, and I don't see how selling more Codex: Space Marine, and more Centurions, is going to make them earn any less money than selling Codex: Black Templars and Random Unique Unit For The Black Templars. I do see how it helps with stock and all that, though.
Pretty much like how they love to do dual kits these day.

Can we be done with the damn plastic sisters thing?

Spoiler alert: Troike is convinced they are happening soon and will debate you until the end of days.

There. Now you know how it will end, let's be done with it or start a new thread. Stop clogging up this (and every other) sisters thread with it.

 marcus.iscariat wrote:
Just looking at stuff in the codex and for succeding our test on Dominions AoF i'm thinking a Laud Hailer on the DT would be better than a VS even though they cost the same.

I think the same - you are not always going to get a second shot I am trying out 1850 pts on Wednesday and have 3 Dominion Squads

One with 4 meltas, a Priest and the Book that means all AOF and Hymns auto succeed,
One with the Canoness (her melta gun) and 3 Meltas - so LD 10 - I might use the Laud Hailer here instead of putting the Cannoness.
One with 4 Flamers who don't care about the AOF

Yeah, what's the math on reroll vs Ld9?

Or even just LD 8 and a re-roll? Not very good with the math aspect............

40pts gets you a Priest and Auto Succeed in one unit..........

Found 0,922839506 for reroll vs 0,833333333 for Ld 9. Might be wrong. Ld9 with reroll, I find 0,972222222.

Okay, so Laud Hailer is better than VSS if you anticipate getting the first turn punch. VSS is better if you think the vehicle won't survive that long.

Well if we aren't geting the first punch with Dominions we have either hidden them or outflanked or they are DEAD so i'd still probably go with the Laud over the VS

The VS has the (quite small, but still) advantage that it will also make you less likely to flee after loosing half your unit. Who knows, maybe the enemy will just kill part of the unit and then let one or two isolated melta in the middle of his/her army !

True i'll concede that the VS can help us stop running, but the amount of times I have had a minimum size Dominion survive after taking a round of shooting has been so small and I usually would ditch the VS anyway as a casualty as she doesn't have a Special and usually the Combi has already been used.

And don't forget if they run, they'll probably run back into Uriah's fearless bubble.

 marcus.iscariat wrote:
and I usually would ditch the VS anyway as a casualty as she doesn't have a Special and usually the Combi has already been used.

Forgot about that, my bad. So, Laud Hailer for me.

 marcus.iscariat wrote:
Just looking at stuff in the codex and for succeding our test on Dominions AoF i'm thinking a Laud Hailer on the DT would be better than a VS even though they cost the same.

I agree I think it will have its place in this army doesn't it have a radius too? Don't have the dex at work, but even if their ride was punked another ride could help them..

Laud Hailer is 12"


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Side note: Easy condemnors. Take a fantasy Bow. Cut in half. Place one piece on each side of bolter. Slap arrow on top of bolter. Voila.

What does everyone think of our arguably most elite unit the Seraphim losing there free Simulacrum and not having the ability to buy one a mistake/oversite or deliberate

 marcus.iscariat wrote:
What does everyone think of our arguably most elite unit the Seraphim losing there free Simulacrum and not having the ability to buy one a mistake/oversite or deliberate

I imagine it is deliberate. Carrying a big box full of bones while flying around is kind of difficult.

 pretre wrote:
Laud Hailer is 12"


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Side note: Easy condemnors. Take a fantasy Bow. Cut in half. Place one piece on each side of bolter. Slap arrow on top of bolter. Voila.

I really like that tip, thanks...

So what is the concensus does the bolt have to wound before a perils is dealt to a psycher, the rules seem unclear to me...

I think it's deliberate : things that makes no sense usually are with GW !
Now if you want two acts of faith for your seraphims, just add Jacobus to the unit… oh, wait !

I think it's deliberate. Shredding Flamers is on the "Kaldor Draigo Fluff Power" level of broken in 6e, so being able to do it twice...

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Laud Hailer is 12"


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Side note: Easy condemnors. Take a fantasy Bow. Cut in half. Place one piece on each side of bolter. Slap arrow on top of bolter. Voila.

I really like that tip, thanks...

So what is the concensus does the bolt have to wound before a perils is dealt to a psycher, the rules seem unclear to me...

Just hit. Until it's FAQ'd, it just needs to score a hit, not a Wound.

Silly Question: Celestine dies and comes back once. Jacobus joins Celestine so they make a unit of two. Jacobus joined, so in this case he's the IC who joined. Can he allow her to come back twice?

The restriction:
" Only the unit’s Act of Faith can be used in this way, not that of any Independent Characters that have joined the unit."

Celestine didn't join the unit, Jacobus did.

 pretre wrote:
Spoiler alert: Troike is convinced they are happening soon and will debate you until the end of days.

If this tangent is annoying people, then I suppose I'll stop, even though I had some good counter-points to make. Though I don't appreciate being singled out just because I hold a minority view. Everybody was quite convinced of their stance and willing to debate about it.

And to clarify, I've never actually said that plastics are coming soon. At most, I've theorised that the earliest that they could appear is late 2014.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Spoiler alert: Troike is convinced they are happening soon and will debate you until the end of days.

If this tangent is annoying people, then I suppose I'll stop, even though I had some good counter-points to make. Though I don't appreciate being singled out just because I hold a minority view. Everybody was quite convinced of their stance and willing to debate about it.

And to clarify, I've never actually said that plastics are coming soon. At most, I've theorised that the earliest that they could appear is late 2014.

You've beaten it into the ground every time it has come up. We get it. I'm not singling you out because of your minority view. I'm singling you out because of your dogged persistence not to let it die.

pretre wrote:I imagine it is deliberate. Carrying a big box full of bones while flying around is kind of difficult.

"Sister Joseline! Rearrange Saint Patriq, if you please. I believe his thigh bone got stuck in the eye socket again."
"*grumbles* I told her not to show off with those damn barrel rolls again..."

 pretre wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Spoiler alert: Troike is convinced they are happening soon and will debate you until the end of days.

If this tangent is annoying people, then I suppose I'll stop, even though I had some good counter-points to make. Though I don't appreciate being singled out just because I hold a minority view. Everybody was quite convinced of their stance and willing to debate about it.

And to clarify, I've never actually said that plastics are coming soon. At most, I've theorised that the earliest that they could appear is late 2014.

You've beaten it into the ground every time it has come up. We get it. I'm not singling you out because of your minority view. I'm singling you out because of your dogged persistence not to let it die.

And I thought we considered Zealotry to be an virtue not a flaw.

Zeal is its own excuse.

@Lynata: No it was a different avatar. It was less frightening and more ridiculous like she was half-way through eating a hamburger with a stuffed face while blurting out 'Heresy' excitedly.

Oh don't get me wrong there's good anime out there. I enjoyed 'gungrave' (I think I heard it was made by the creators of trigon). I also watched half of 'monster' before I decided the anime could've wrapped up in about half as much time. I've watched two seasons of shakugan no shana and enjoyed it. It's just that I've seen some sites for anime and watching the release of harem #246531 kind of dampens my spirits and takes away any respect I have left for anime. There are some I've been meaning to watch. I think it was called 'Take on Titans' or 'Take on giants'. Ugh but I can't remember the name. I just don't like sifting through the turds to get to the gems of anime. Now for some reason I remember that funny scene in south park where cartman eat the fake treasure and poops it out at the end of the episode.

I actually remember watching the old starship troopers show. I enjoyed what I saw but I was younger so my opinion of shows probably wasn't the best. Didn't that show include mind parasites and aliens which were similar to protoss?

I think the best idea for sisters of battle is actually sort of like a web series with art in the form of a comic book with slight action, sound effects and voices. We pretty much have audio books already for some GW stuff. Something tells me the best we could hope for is something fan-made for sisters in that form. I was going to suggest you could take one of the comics about sisters and have fan-made audio for it but there might be some legal issues stirred up. I dunno. I think there's at least one fan-made comic about sisters that could use sound effects and voices. You might have to ask the comic writer first though if it's ok.

 pretre wrote:
Silly Question: Celestine dies and comes back once. Jacobus joins Celestine so they make a unit of two. Jacobus joined, so in this case he's the IC who joined. Can he allow her to come back twice?

The restriction:
" Only the unit’s Act of Faith can be used in this way, not that of any Independent Characters that have joined the unit."

Celestine didn't join the unit, Jacobus did.

I'm going to say no if only because Celestine's act explicitly mentions that it can only be used after the first time she's removed as a casualty. So even if this little cheat did succeed in letting her use her act twice, she'd use it again and then it wouldn't work.

Jacobus's special rule explicitly mentions that you can only use the ability of the unit he's attached to and not that of any other attached IC. This is actually a completely worthless distinction since the only other IC is a Priest (with no AoF) or the Canoness whose AoF gives Hatred which the unit already has because Uriah is attached.

Oooh, good call. Her act is very specific.

I love that it allows you completely bypass slay the warlord by not using the faith power. I'm not entirely sure that was unintentional as well.

"Yay! We killed Celestine!"
"Are we sure? Did anyone see a body? Doesn't she usually just get right back up?"
"Umm...."

I don't know that I'd ever do it to anyone not expecting it, but it is still cool.


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And Canoness should have given out the Passion from Codex: Chapter Approved. IIRC, it was +2 Initiative and +1 Attack. Hatred is just silly.


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Also, I totally didn't notice that you roll Celestine's check immediately until now. I thought it was for the next turn. That's a nice bit.

I other news, I figured we now need some tokens to keep track of which units have used their Acts and (if you've got a Sim) how many Acts you have left. I just ordered a bunch of these:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/72713896/12-fleur-de-lis-charms-silver-beaded

They have a bunch of other little options (I think they're for charm bracelets).
https://www.etsy.com/search?q=fleur+de+lys+pendant