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Sisters were T4 in 2nd as well, but they had a different mechanic than Faith back then.

 Lynata wrote:
How did faith work in the 3E rulebook version?

Oh, it was our simplest faith system. There was none.

 Lynata wrote:

Furyou Miko wrote:

Is ... is that a beard?

It's a fake beard. you can see the strap.

Decided that the little girl smile was a little too creepy for a trollface.

I have a SoB army collecting dust for years. After reading through the codex, I didn't find ANYTHING that I would say "OOOoooh, I wanna play with that!"
Why the hell do they nerf an army, that's the bottom of the shelf?

I don't intend to play competively, I just don't want an army that goes "puff" the minute it encounters:
- Serpent Spam (bye bye Rhino/Immolator, instakill IC)
- FMC daemon, heldrake CSM
- Riptides with plasma crisis suits (instakill)
- assault cannon lists
- grav bikers

That was just the local boys I will encounter in our FLGS.

OK, so after reading through the codex, can you come up with a list that can play a decent match against the above?

Sorry, I'm really pissed, the last straw was the 1-click deal on their page (50 pounds for a BSS, 41 pounds for 5 celestians, really?).
They made a joke of us, and I don't think this is gonna change in the next 5-6 years, until 7th edition.

The one clicks are the same price as our normal stuff just like every other one click, how is that making a joke of us?

Tyrpak wrote:
I don't intend to play competively, I just don't want an army that goes "puff" the minute it encounters:
- Serpent Spam (bye bye Rhino/Immolator, instakill IC)
- FMC daemon, heldrake CSM
- Riptides with plasma crisis suits (instakill)
- assault cannon lists
- grav bikers

That was just the local boys I will encounter in our FLGS.

OK, so after reading through the codex, can you come up with a list that can play a decent match against the above?

Grav bikers? Good luck with those cover saves.
Assault Cannon lists? What is this?
Riptides? good luck with the scouting meltas and gatling S8 AP1.
Serpent Spam? Please, use your shields on me so you start getting popped like crazy. Not to mention scouting doms can drop them before they get a chance to get movement from cover.

As I've said before, start thinking about the book before giving up about it. Make some lists that aren't just carbon copies of the old ones.

Tyrpak wrote:
I have a SoB army collecting dust for years. After reading through the codex, I didn't find ANYTHING that I would say "OOOoooh, I wanna play with that!"
Why the hell do they nerf an army, that's the bottom of the shelf?

I don't intend to play competively, I just don't want an army that goes "puff" the minute it encounters:
- Serpent Spam (bye bye Rhino/Immolator, instakill IC)
- FMC daemon, heldrake CSM
- Riptides with plasma crisis suits (instakill)
- assault cannon lists
- grav bikers

That was just the local boys I will encounter in our FLGS.

OK, so after reading through the codex, can you come up with a list that can play a decent match against the above?

Sorry, I'm really pissed, the last straw was the 1-click deal on their page (50 pounds for a BSS, 41 pounds for 5 celestians, really?).
They made a joke of us, and I don't think this is gonna change in the next 5-6 years, until 7th edition.

Instakill? Who cares? Most of our good stuff only has one wound anyway... and is more resilient against Riptides than Space Marines are, since we at least get a save.

Riptides are so quaint.

3 Exorcists (10.5 Shots, 7 hits, 35/6 wounds, 35/12 wounds if they have 4+ cover from something)

1 Dominion Squad (4 shots, 8/3 Hits, 40/18 Wounds, no cover)

Good luck if we get first turn.

As much as I like this book, I think I'll still do a fandex thing....but I might mail it into Cruddace wrapped around the largest brick of chocolate I can get as a bribe instead of posting it online.

I think the Dominion squads are sweet, I would like to put a simulacrum in the squad, my thoughts are though, after they get out and kill something, they are probably dead anyway so it is probably not worth the points. I think squads of flamers are good too, however you can get two in your troop squads anyway so probably best to keep the melta in the dominion squads...

I have 3 penitent engines and want to play them, but with their speed and how good the Exorcist is, I doubt I will be taking them. I think the dominion squads will be good against serpent spam and tau gunlines


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Hell even the girls with bolters in the dominion squad will be good to ignore cover..

My thought on Dominions is to run them in a rhino. I know that is counter-most people's thoughts but that way they don't die as soon as they do their job.

 pretre wrote:
My thought on Dominions is to run them in a rhino. I know that is counter-most people's thoughts but that way they don't die as soon as they do their job.

Yeah, doing the math the Dominions are kind of pricey with an Immolator to just shoot once and lose immediately. I'd rather keep them in a Rhino and only get to shoot 2 and have them longer than shoot 4 and lose them the next turn.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. And it'll let you put more battle sister squads in the list, too. Besides, you can still have a five member squad in a rhino anyway. THey'll just have more room

If run them and keep them in the rhino are you using a simulacrum then? Are you just buying 2 meltas and not 4?

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. And it'll let you put more battle sister squads in the list, too. Besides, you can still have a five member squad in a rhino anyway. THey'll just have more room

You can give them a Priest to reduce their chances of being pinned when their ride spontaneously explodes in a ball of fire and awesome under enemy anti-tank fire!


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 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
If run them and keep them in the rhino are you using a simulacrum then? Are you just buying 2 meltas and not 4?

Buying 1+ Simulacrum is still a better plan then an Immolator mostly because the Rhino has Fire Points. The Immolator would be a better bet if it did too.

 pretre wrote:

Grav bikers? Good luck with those cover saves.
Assault Cannon lists? What is this?
Riptides? good luck with the scouting meltas and gatling S8 AP1.
Serpent Spam? Please, use your shields on me so you start getting popped like crazy. Not to mention scouting doms can drop them before they get a chance to get movement from cover.

As I've said before, start thinking about the book before giving up about it. Make some lists that aren't just carbon copies of the old ones.

Ok, so I was thinking about 3 exorcists, 2 dominion with full melta and MM, 5 sister +1 plasma priest MM immolators (some with flamers, some with meltas). The only difference from the old one is the priest I think. Oh and not taking Celestine and her seraphim retinue. :(

Against:
(just the last month, against my space wolves, ok?)

- 5 wave serpents, and 2 knights. If you go first, and you are lucky, 1 knight, or maybe 2 serpents. After his shooting, you lost prolly both dominion squads and 2 exorcists. And than he is on the move. If you go second...
- 3 riptides, 12 crisis suits, 2 pathfinder squads, broadsides. First turn I got the pathfinders, he hid behind LoS blocking terrain. On his turn, jumped over the terrain, and just barraged everything. Even if you put everything, so 3 exorcists and 2 dominion is needed for 1 riptide, he still has 2-4 remaining. Plus 12 suits with 4 plasma shots each.
- FMC I think is doable, weight of fire will probably crash land them, and a nearby squad can melta them.
- DA Deathwing player who thinks, bringing 5 assault cannons and 3 AC land speeders is funny. (and he rolls 5+ pretty good) That would probably be a war of attrition.


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Sorry guys, I was a bit rash there. /repent

I was just thinking about older dexes, like the Witchhunter one, where I had an Inquisitor with 2 plasma cannon servitors, in a Land Raider...
Something, that's more interesting than 3 exorcists and 7 exploding rhinos/immolators.

Like taking an IG Storm Troops, and stealing their chimera for the repentia squad.

I'm just nostalgic, and underwhelmed. :(

How are the Dominons getting MM? They can't take them on their own.

Immolator.

 Melissia wrote:
Immolator.

I thought so, but I always like to confirm first.

 Crevab wrote:
I'm not familiar with GWs e-pubs how long does it take them to to come out with a finished product after this seeming "beta" release? I would like my Hand Flamers to have a profile please

Page 56 of the BRB not enough for you?
Sure, it'd be cool to have it in the codex as well, but it's not like it doesn't exist.

They're in the iPad version. Strange how the same book has different errors based on which version you download.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's a straight nerf if you think that the only way for Sisters to win is by comboing the Immortal Warlord with the Jacobus Bomb.

Warhammer....even our women are beardies .

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
It's a straight nerf if you think that the only way for Sisters to win is by comboing the Immortal Warlord with the Jacobus Bomb.

Warhammer....even our women are beardies .

Only if you play Dwarves.

 pretre wrote:
You need to start over and build new lists.

That's what I did. It ended up quite similar because I don't have a lot of model, and there are some things I just like to field for fun/fluff/model reasons. Just like I refused to take 3 exorcists for fluff reasons.
I previously had two ten-women-strong troops and one ten-women-strong dominion flamer unit (with simulacrum, 4 flamers and a combi-flamers. It was awesome, because of the act of faith. Now, it's not. I managed to kill some 10 marines squad with that !).
Now I have three five-women troops (one with nothing, just camping on an objective, and two in rhinos, with two meltas), one ten-women troop (with flamer and heavy flamer, but no rhino because not enough immolator models), and a five-women-strong flamer dominion.
The rest of the difference was rhino morphing into immolators for dominions, Jacobus becoming a simple priest, SS being V or not V and getting or not getting combi-melta, the melta dominion becoming a 4 melta combi-melta squad, that kind of small change.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The Veteran upgrade on the Superior isn't worth it.

Depends on which squad. I obviously didn't take any into my 4 flamers one combi-flamer squad (the squad I still take for fluffy fun), for instance. On unit in which passing the Act of Faith is quite important (melta dominion, heavy bolter retributor (yet another bad choice, I know, but I love the models, and also I have only 2 heavy flamers, so...)), I did take them, though.

 pretre wrote:
My thought on Dominions is to run them in a rhino. I know that is counter-most people's thoughts but that way they don't die as soon as they do their job.

What the point ? You can get a 5 women troop squad with two melta in a rhino that will do just the same work.

ClockworkZion wrote:Sisters were T4 in 2nd as well

Oh goddess, you're right. I think I never actually looked at their profile, I have that book just for its fluff.
I got into Sisters at around 3E.

pretre wrote:Oh, it was our simplest faith system. There was none.

Ow.

Not even the pre-battle rites they had earlier? Lame.

 pretre wrote:
My thought on Dominions is to run them in a rhino. I know that is counter-most people's thoughts but that way they don't die as soon as they do their job.

I was in this camp in 5E, but I think the vehicle changes in 6th make it less good. If that Rhino gets shaken or stunned your shooty squad is no longer worth a damn, so it makes sense to try and get out of the tank asap.

Other issues with staying in the tank are that you lose 6" of range from your first turn of shooting and you can only fire with two of your four specials. Those two guns (lets assume they're meltas) aren't twin linked anymore so there's a pretty good chance that you're looking at one melta hit on your first turn strike. Paying the extra 20 pts for a twin-linked MM shot seems like a good deal.




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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 pretre wrote:
My thought on Dominions is to run them in a rhino. I know that is counter-most people's thoughts but that way they don't die as soon as they do their job.

What the point ? You can get a 5 women troop squad with two melta in a rhino that will do just the same work.

They won't be able to scout which is kind of a big deal.

Amerikon wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 pretre wrote:
My thought on Dominions is to run them in a rhino. I know that is counter-most people's thoughts but that way they don't die as soon as they do their job.

What the point ? You can get a 5 women troop squad with two melta in a rhino that will do just the same work.

They won't be able to scout which is kind of a big deal.

Dominions can also ignore cover and can get four meltas in a squad (five with a combi melta), so they're still one of the best ways we have to deal with torublesome enemy vehicles.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Furyou Miko wrote:

Is ... is that a beard?

It's a fake beard. you can see the strap.

Decided that the little girl smile was a little too creepy for a trollface.

Can you make an avatar with shades in 'the matrix' Morpheus style?

Sadly, the reflections are a little beyond my skill. ^^;

I think Furyou Miko needs a "Deal With It" emote image.

Back on topic, I had a thought about Dominions, and I think their AoF might not be to benefit the Flamer Doms, but rather everyone else in the Squad. Take a full squad and that's 6 Bolters Rapid Firing and ignoring cover on top of the flamer templates. They could murder things out of cover that way I think.