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Arbiter_Shade wrote:
I love my Sisters, I will keep playing my Sisters, but this codex is a mess and my only hope is that it is a TRUE hold over until they get a real codex, not another WD situation.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been saying this for 15 years.

 pretre wrote:

Arbiter_Shade wrote:
I love my Sisters, I will keep playing my Sisters, but this codex is a mess and my only hope is that it is a TRUE hold over until they get a real codex, not another WD situation.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been saying this for 15 years.

In my opinion GW don't take sisters seriously they don't have a "proper" codex and with this new release no plastic models not even the HQ I mean really now? I talked with many people and they said they would buy sisters if they had some plastic models.

shinros wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Arbiter_Shade wrote:
I love my Sisters, I will keep playing my Sisters, but this codex is a mess and my only hope is that it is a TRUE hold over until they get a real codex, not another WD situation.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been saying this for 15 years.

In my opinion GW don't take sisters seriously they don't have a "proper" codex and with this new release no plastic models not even the HQ I mean really now? I talked with many people and they said they would buy sisters if they had some plastic models.

And again with the same statement. I could just cut and paste at this point. lol

Maybe we need to all send an email to GW enmass in a 1-2 day time period and maybe they will get it through their skulls to take sister seriously...?

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Maybe we need to all send an email to GW enmass in a 1-2 day time period and maybe they will get it through their skulls to take sister seriously...?

lol. Yeah, no. If the digital sales and success of this codex don't show them anything... and if the success of the line over the last 15 years doesn't show them anything... etc, so on.

Short of breaking into a boardroom meeting, I doubt you're going to change their mind on their current course.

shinros wrote:
In my opinion GW don't take sisters seriously they don't have a "proper" codex and with this new release no plastic models not even the HQ I mean really now? I talked with many people and they said they would buy sisters if they had some plastic models.

The Sisters had modelling issues. They couldn't "just make them", despite wanting to, until recently, apparently. GW employees have said this at events.

And I'll say it again, it's my opinion that this digital codex is just a stopgap until those plastics are ready.

pretre wrote:Short of breaking into a boardroom meeting, I doubt you're going to change their mind on their current course.

"For all their gaiety on occasion, the Gamers of the Sisters were still hardened nerds, and when the Executive Management of Games Workshop tried to have the Codex downgraded a few years later to rid themselves of the army, the Gamers went into the Management's meeting chambers, locked the doors, and emerged an hour later carrying the severed heads of every executive present."

 Lynata wrote:

pretre wrote:Short of breaking into a boardroom meeting, I doubt you're going to change their mind on their current course.

"For all their gaiety on occasion, the Gamers of the Sisters were still hardened nerds, and when the Executive Management of Games Workshop tried to have the Codex downgraded a few years later to rid themselves of the army, the Gamers went into the Management's meeting chambers, locked the doors, and emerged an hour later carrying the severed heads of every executive present."

Then the Gamers cleansed themselves in fire fore the taint of Management was upon them.

Pretre, your'e sounding like me

 Melissia wrote:
Pretre, your'e sounding like me

I was here first.

And I used to wonder why people said Sisters players are all grouchy whiners.


(just some friendly ribbing!)

Grouchy certainly, but whiny? Dunno, I find Chaos Marine players to be by far the whiniest.

Can't ever make them happy

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And I used to wonder why people said Sisters players are all grouchy whiners.
(just some friendly ribbing!)

I'm not grouchy. I am simply resigned to my fate. As long as I have played the army, we have had metal models and a hold over codex. I do not expect that to change anytime soon. I am simply happy with what I get, which is hopefully a slightly better hold over than the previous one.

 Melissia wrote:
Grouchy certainly, but whiny? Dunno, I find Chaos Marine players to be by far the whiniest.

Can't ever make them happy

I'd argue the Black Templar players (at least recently) have trumped any lamenting I've seen from Sisters.

Honestly I was referencing a stereotype anyways, so it's not really that true.


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 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And I used to wonder why people said Sisters players are all grouchy whiners.
(just some friendly ribbing!)

I'm not grouchy. I am simply resigned to my fate. As long as I have played the army, we have had metal models and a hold over codex. I do not expect that to change anytime soon. I am simply happy with what I get, which is hopefully a slightly better hold over than the previous one.

I'm naturally a grump but I try to be a friendly grump.

I also assume when I get a codex it'll be rolled in crap, wrapped in razorwire and then set on fire before being handed to me. So I set my expectations REALLY low. I think it's made me more reasonable to deal with since I'm rarely right about how bad something will be making my mood about it pretty good.

That is a smart idea, it is GW we are dealing with. It is best to set the bar REALLY REALLY LOW and then we won't be as disappointed. Then as GW tells us, we can "forge a narrative" and make the game all flowers and candy... lol

Or we could 'Forge a Narrative' out of their bones...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Or we could 'Forge a Narrative' out of their bones...

But who do we know is is able to engrave litanies that small?

I feel a sudden urge to label a Simulacrum as "St. Hoare"...

You give me the craziest ideas.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Or we could 'Forge a Narrative' out of their bones...

But who do we know is is able to engrave litanies that small?

There's a machine that'll do it at my old workplace. Since we're going for murder, a little unauthorised requisitioning isn't too much of a problem.

 Troike wrote:

shinros wrote:
In my opinion GW don't take sisters seriously they don't have a "proper" codex and with this new release no plastic models not even the HQ I mean really now? I talked with many people and they said they would buy sisters if they had some plastic models.

The Sisters had modelling issues. They couldn't "just make them", despite wanting to, until recently, apparently. GW employees have said this at events.

And I'll say it again, it's my opinion that this digital codex is just a stopgap until those plastics are ready.

Ok, now it's starting to feel like when I read that book some religion hold holy. I.e. I'm wondering if this is really something new, or if I'm actually just re-reading something I already read .

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And I used to wonder why people said Sisters players are all grouchy whiners.

I'm playing Sisters of Bitter, what can I say ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Ok, now it's starting to feel like when I read that book some religion hold holy. I.e. I'm wondering if this is really something new, or if I'm actually just re-reading something I already read .

But it's still applicable. A person wondered why there weren't any plastics yet, and I pointed out what the devs had said on the matter.

 Troike wrote:
But it's still applicable.

I know. And I'll still burn in hell, too .

So what is the general consensus for the quality of the new codex? As in is it well written, balanced and/or looking like a fun army to play at the moment?

Depends. There's basically two camps from what I can tell:

"This codex is better than the WD codex, and looks to be more balanced, and more fun to play."

"This codex sucks, I hate everything in it and think that it's woefully underpowered."

I say it is very poorly edited, lacking in units, but what it does have is actually pretty decent overall. Like my priests, like my new AoF rules.

Also the new 5 man squads make the army playable for me now. I do plan on buying 2 more Exorcists since that model is beautiful, effective, and crazy cheap ($$) for what you get.

I think it is better written than the last codex, it just still is missing so many things (no flyer or no skyfire), St. Celestine Nerfed, Cannonness better, uriah decent, I think some of the faiths and littanies re pretty good.
I really wish they would have made the Penitent engine a Monstrous creature beast so that it could move. . I really think if it could move it could be viably played

 Melissia wrote:
Depends. There's basically two camps from what I can tell:

"This codex is better than the WD codex, and looks to be more balanced, and more fun to play."

"This codex sucks, I hate everything in it and think that it's woefully underpowered."

And that about sums up every new codex discussion on Dakka...

Skriker

I'm.... still not a fan of AoF being one use by default. I'm not a fan of having priests be, basically, required for any unit you can stick one in.

Really not fond of the Celestine nerf.

The rest? It's ok to decent, but there's less synergy and more just taking multiples of the same unit builds, MSU-style, as the points limit increases, because once you have a unit that can do its thing well, it's kind of a one trick pony, so you're going to need more ponies to keep doing that same trick. Even with the SImulacrum giving you another AoF, you're still going to need MSU to take on the bulk of other army builds in 6th, as unless the dice-gods are with you, after your one trick, the unit that pulls that trick off is going to get shot to pieces.

I think what they've done, overall, is make the Sisters a solid mid-tier army with no good counters against a lot of things appearing in the meta of 6th edition, and very limited options against a lot of standard army builds out there now. Being mid-tier is not so bad, but being rather extremely limited against a lot of the things that are seen in even random battles is... kind of not good. Sure, you can take allies, but, eh, that's just patching a hole that shouldn't be there in the first place.

An army doesn't need to be *awesome* against flyers (for example), but every army should have a unit of some kind that makes that its primary role, whether it's an infantry unit with some sort of SAM weapon, an AA vehicle, an MC with anti-air weapons, whatever.

I don't hate it, I just think it's rather lackluster, as Codices go.

 Psienesis wrote:
The rest? It's ok to decent, but there's less synergy and more just taking multiples of the same unit builds, MSU-style, as the points limit increases, because once you have a unit that can do its thing well, it's kind of a one trick pony, so you're going to need more ponies to keep doing that same trick. Even with the SImulacrum giving you another AoF, you're still going to need MSU to take on the bulk of other army builds in 6th, as unless the dice-gods are with you, after your one trick, the unit that pulls that trick off is going to get shot to pieces.

Umm, you know that one of the main lists that people are playing with is not MSU, right? It's blob squads for solid center with fire support.

I think what they've done, overall, is make the Sisters a solid mid-tier army with no good counters against a lot of things appearing in the meta of 6th edition, and very limited options against a lot of standard army builds out there now.

The new book is awesome against the meta right now. Screamerstar, councilstar, Riptide spam, Wraithknights and WS? All good counters to those. Flyers are really the only problem and exorcists help with that.

So far, and this may just be my experiences in a handful of games, is that mobbing up is just asking to get blast-templated off the table. Then again, artillery and ordnance is a thing with the IG players around here, or allying it in.

Space Wolves continue to be the pain in my ass they have been for the last 2 editions... not as bad as they were before, but still have far too many heavy weapons on the table for too few points for my, or my Exorcist's, liking.

I might need to break down and buy another tank or three... but that's going to depend on having spare scratch.