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 Orlanth wrote:

I have included one linked quote already. Indicating that Israel doesn't want peace with it neighbours and wants deniability when it conducts unilateral unprovked attacks.
This sets the scene for the current Israeli governments mentality.

And as the ultimate sources was Netanyahu, and Obama it doesn't count as 'tin foil'.

All you have posted if flat denial, which only makes sense if you have nothing intelligent to say.

Actually, the link that you posted says that Israel was outraged by a US official leaking information about covert air strikes that they were carrying in Syria, information that supposedly the Israelis had volunteered to the US. They say nothing about the reasons for those air strikes, maybe they were worried that those AA missiles might fall into ISIS hands, since, you know, Syria is in the midst of a civil war and most rebel groups will happily use any captured weapons against Israel or sell them to someone that will.

You jumping to the conclusion that the only reason for the air strikes was because Israel somehow wishes to conquer the whole middle east as part of some Zionist hidden agenda is the "tin foil hat" part.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:


Israel demolished houses, the Red Cross was trying to provide shelter to those whose houses had been destroyed. If Israel doesn't want a tent city it shouldn't bulldoze peoples homes.

If the Red Cross just wants to help people then they should stop associating themselves with initiatives that are just meant to be political statements.

Jumping to conclusions?

Hsve you heard of the six day war.
Israel still holds onto sovereign Syrian territory, and has been condemned for doing so in the UN.

I suppose the Golan Heights is a figment of my imagination too.

Also Syria is a sovereign state, and not (currently fighting Israel). Israel was pissed off at the US to removing deniability. Also Obama is mentioned in the article.

As for your hamfisted 'justification', the targets were SAM sites, not chemical weapons sites, there is a difference you know. SAM's are there to shoot down drones or other aircraft, and have no capability for chemical launch. Syria would use other missiles for this.
Israel was deliberately targeting Syrian air defence infrastructure, it was an unprovoked act of aggression, in other words business as usual.

Still waiting for you to contribute somethng intelligent, shall we call off the search?

Territory that they claimed in war.

Kinda like Wales...

PhantomViper wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


Israel demolished houses, the Red Cross was trying to provide shelter to those whose houses had been destroyed. If Israel doesn't want a tent city it shouldn't bulldoze peoples homes.

If the Red Cross just wants to help people then they should stop associating themselves with initiatives that are just meant to be political statements.

That is low, even for you.

So what you are saying is that the Red Cross (actually Red Crescent) should withdraw all humanitarian support in situations where anyone makes issue of the political ramifactions of a calamity.
Or even if you are just attributing this unilaterally to Palestinians its pretty despicable.

CAn someone summarize what is going on exactly? Sorry I read the articles and my brain botched it up. And I don't want to comment unless I know a thing or two about the Israel Situation. (which I don't)

So basically the Palestines are accusing Israelis with committing warcrimes?

I mean thats nothing new. Considering what the Israelis have done in the past few years.

(Along with the palestines doing many things which don't make any sense)

 djones520 wrote:
Territory that they claimed in war.

Kinda like Wales...

Kind of like California, kind of like Poland, kind of like....anywhere.

Sorry no.

Wales was conquered in the 13th century, if it was conquered in 1967 England/UK would have no right to hold onto it.

 Orlanth wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Territory that they claimed in war.

Kinda like Wales...

Wales was conquered in the 13th century, if it was conquered in 1967 England/UK would have no right to hold onto it.

Why not? Genuinely curious.

 Orlanth wrote:
Jumping to conclusions?

Hsve you heard of the six day war.
Israel still holds onto sovereign Syrian territory, and has been condemned for doing so in the UN.

I suppose the Golan Heights is a figment of my imagination too.

Also Syria is a sovereign state, and not (currently fighting Israel). Israel was pissed off at the US to removing deniability. Also Obama is mentioned in the article.

As for your hamfisted 'justification', the targets were SAM sites, not chemical weapons sites, there is a difference you know. SAM's are there to shoot down drones or other aircraft, and have no capability for chemical launch. Syria would use other missiles for this.
Israel was deliberately targeting Syrian air defence infrastructure, it was an unprovoked act of aggression, in other words business as usual.

Still waiting for you to contribute somethng intelligent, shall we call off the search?

An unprovoked war that was declared on them by aggressive neighbors.

That land is theirs, fair and square. If Syria wants it back, they can come and take it.

Ad Victor de spoliis

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Territory that they claimed in war.

Kinda like Wales...

Wales was conquered in the 13th century, if it was conquered in 1967 England/UK would have no right to hold onto it.

Why not? Genuinely curious.

Because we're so much better than those savages.

 Orlanth wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Territory that they claimed in war.

Kinda like Wales...

Kind of like California, kind of like Poland, kind of like....anywhere.

Sorry no.

Wales was conquered in the 13th century, if it was conquered in 1967 England/UK would have no right to hold onto it.

Someone tell the N. Vietnamese that.

 Asherian Command wrote:
CAn someone summarize what is going on exactly? Sorry I read the articles and my brain botched it up. And I don't want to comment unless I know a thing or two about the Israel Situation. (which I don't)

So basically the Palestines are accusing Israelis with committing warcrimes?

I mean thats nothing new. Considering what the Israelis have done in the past few years.

(Along with the palestines doing many things which don't make any sense)

Simple. You have this patch of dirt. Its worthless dirt. Even the molemen don't want any of this dirt. But these people were bron on this worthless dirt and are fighting over it.
Each side claims the other is the spawn of satan's arse hole.

Meanwhile the rest of the world just sees them fighting over a piece of dirt. Its much less important than the dirt they happen to be fighting for.
And this is why the dogs will win. They don't care about dirt. They only care about tasty treats.

*points to Crimea*

 Frazzled wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
CAn someone summarize what is going on exactly? Sorry I read the articles and my brain botched it up. And I don't want to comment unless I know a thing or two about the Israel Situation. (which I don't)

So basically the Palestines are accusing Israelis with committing warcrimes?

I mean thats nothing new. Considering what the Israelis have done in the past few years.

(Along with the palestines doing many things which don't make any sense)

Simple. You have this patch of dirt. Its worthless dirt. Even the molemen don't want any of this dirt. But these people were bron on this worthless dirt and are fighting over it.
Each side claims the other is the spawn of satan's arse hole.

Meanwhile the rest of the world just sees them fighting over a piece of dirt. Its much less important than the dirt they happen to be fighting for.
And this is why the dogs will win. They don't care about dirt. They only care about tasty treats.

Oh so thats what this thread is over.

You would of thought that people would of left those countries. As far as I can see. There is basically no point to living in your homeland as long as it is surrounded by people who want to kill you.

Crimea is a funny situation.

I think the method of acquisition is despicable, but its really not a question that it belongs to Russia now.

Israel on the other hand, took land from people who attacked the without provocation. They hold it by might, and are morally sound.

Russia holds Crimea by might, and are moral d-bags in how they took it.


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 Asherian Command wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
CAn someone summarize what is going on exactly? Sorry I read the articles and my brain botched it up. And I don't want to comment unless I know a thing or two about the Israel Situation. (which I don't)

So basically the Palestines are accusing Israelis with committing warcrimes?

I mean thats nothing new. Considering what the Israelis have done in the past few years.

(Along with the palestines doing many things which don't make any sense)

Simple. You have this patch of dirt. Its worthless dirt. Even the molemen don't want any of this dirt. But these people were bron on this worthless dirt and are fighting over it.
Each side claims the other is the spawn of satan's arse hole.

Meanwhile the rest of the world just sees them fighting over a piece of dirt. Its much less important than the dirt they happen to be fighting for.
And this is why the dogs will win. They don't care about dirt. They only care about tasty treats.

Oh so thats what this thread is over.

You would of thought that people would of left those countries. As far as I can see. There is basically no point to living in your homeland as long as it is surrounded by people who want to kill you.

The Palestinians can't actually leave because the neighboring Arab countries refuse to accept them as refugees. If they had, there would almost nobody left except the terrorists.

Alternately, they could accept living in Israel as Israeli citizens, but that's unacceptable to them. Even though the Arabs who live in Israel have running water, electricity, food, jobs, and security.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
CAn someone summarize what is going on exactly? Sorry I read the articles and my brain botched it up. And I don't want to comment unless I know a thing or two about the Israel Situation. (which I don't)

So basically the Palestines are accusing Israelis with committing warcrimes?

I mean thats nothing new. Considering what the Israelis have done in the past few years.

(Along with the palestines doing many things which don't make any sense)

Simple. You have this patch of dirt. Its worthless dirt. Even the molemen don't want any of this dirt. But these people were bron on this worthless dirt and are fighting over it.
Each side claims the other is the spawn of satan's arse hole.

Meanwhile the rest of the world just sees them fighting over a piece of dirt. Its much less important than the dirt they happen to be fighting for.
And this is why the dogs will win. They don't care about dirt. They only care about tasty treats.

Oh so thats what this thread is over.

You would of thought that people would of left those countries. As far as I can see. There is basically no point to living in your homeland as long as it is surrounded by people who want to kill you.

I agree actually. Irrespective of right/wrong, If I were a Dad in that area, and I could I'd get out of there. AS Grey templer noted thats really hard for the Palestinians. Its hard for the Syrians, the Kurds, etc. etc. A lot of people stuck in bad places.

Its almost like humans create these nightmares themselves. I blame the evil THEM!

Grey Templar, you are developing a habit of making all of these pretty sweeping and incorrect statements.

You don't think widescale land confiscation is "provocation"? I guess you won't mind if I confiscate your house then. I need it see.

Pfft. More back and forth between idiots trying to make a textbook example of a vicious cycle. Until someone breaks out and seriously considers peace, nothing will change (apart from the body count).

Peace has been considered many times, unfortunately there are always interests on both sides in sabotaging that sort of thing.

It's got to be one of the most hopeless conflicts in the world.

 Da Boss wrote:
Grey Templar, you are developing a habit of making all of these pretty sweeping and incorrect statements.

You don't think widescale land confiscation is "provocation"? I guess you won't mind if I confiscate your house then. I need it see.

2nd Amendment

 Da Boss wrote:
Grey Templar, you are developing a habit of making all of these pretty sweeping and incorrect statements.

The best part is when he states it as fact, then when people provide evidence showing it's not the case he just pretends their posts don't exist.

 Da Boss wrote:
Peace has been considered many times, unfortunately there are always interests on both sides in sabotaging that sort of thing.

It's got to be one of the most hopeless conflicts in the world.

Yep.

 Da Boss wrote:
Peace has been considered many times, unfortunately there are always interests on both sides in sabotaging that sort of thing.

It's got to be one of the most hopeless conflicts in the world.

Nah, that's trying to change people's minds in a Dakka OT gun thread.

 Da Boss wrote:
Peace has been considered many times, unfortunately there are always interests on both sides in sabotaging that sort of thing.

It's got to be one of the most hopeless conflicts in the world.

... About time to try de Bono's Marmite plan then I reckon.

Jesus christ someone else knows about that.

Both the US and Isreal are hypocritical in their dealings with Palestine.

They demand that the they cease 'terrorist' activities and engage in civilized debate.

However any attempt by Palestine to engage in such activities with the international community are blocked by the US and Israel....because they are terrorists.

I would call this circular logic idiocy, however it is more malicious than that.

All the while this is happening Israel is displacing more people from their ancestral homes, claiming land that clearly does not belong to them. The palestinians are forced into the more inhospitable areas of the region, with poor farmland and scarce water. Many are forced into refugee camps.

The longer Israel and the US can deny the Palestinians their right as a nation, the longer they can abuse them without fear of consequence, and further their own objectives in the region.

Absolutely disgusting.

Palestinian 'terrorists' shoot rockets at Israel. Sure they do. If I was in their position I would too.

If my country was being occupied and taken away, my friends and relatives forced off their land and to live of handouts inside a refugee camp, if a hostile force was committing a slow campaign of genocide, whilst the rest of the 'developed world' looked on and does nothing, you could be damn sure I would do something.

It is very obvious to the so called militants that diplomacy is clearly not working, as diplomacy is being perverted by the US and Israel.

This latest news story is simply another example of this. Israel is angry that Palestine is trying to appeal to a higher authority and break the status quo through diplomatic means. They feel the best way to 'persuade' the Palestinians that this is not a good idea, is to break more laws and further degrade the life of the people in the area.

Alternately, they could accept living in Israel as Israeli citizens, but that's unacceptable to them

Are you being serious? Really?

How about my country comes and claims your country. Takes its land. Puts it's people into camps. And then tells you that you should be disregard all of your culture, your rights and property, and accept that you are now citizens of my country. Sounds good right?

Because that is what you are suggesting.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Corporal Jesus Christ someone else knows about that.

Since I am old I fixed it for you

Corporal? What?

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

Alternately, they could accept living in Israel as Israeli citizens, but that's unacceptable to them

Are you being serious? Really?

How about my country comes and claims your country. Takes its land. Puts it's people into camps. And then tells you that you should be disregard all of your culture, your rights and property, and accept that you are now citizens of my country. Sounds good right?

Because that is what you are suggesting.

1) It was not the Palestinians land to begin with. It was British land that was given to the Israelis.

2) You make it seem like the Israelis are putting the Palestinians into Concentration Camps. They're not even remotely close to that.

3) Israel is a pretty free society, certainly more than the people surrounding them, which includes such highlights of human depravity as having guidelines for how to treat your captured sex slaves.

 reds8n wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Peace has been considered many times, unfortunately there are always interests on both sides in sabotaging that sort of thing.

It's got to be one of the most hopeless conflicts in the world.

... About time to try de Bono's Marmite plan then I reckon.

Er...what?

Something about how the middle east diets lack something which is found in marmite in large amounts. Said something (I forget what) leaves people irritable if they don't get it.

So, give them all lots of marmite.

Edit: Googled, it's Zinc, which we get in yeast, but in the middle east they apparently eat unleavened bread which lacks it?