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Also the power armoured horse kicking the zombie was pretty darn funny too.

I'm just gonna throw it out there, I don't appreciate the "crossover" I know that's not the sort of thing I enjoy. When I want to laugh at 40k I head right on over to 1d4chan and read about the LOYAL GUYS or something like that. Some people are probably violently opposed to that. I myself find that kind of humour to be just my style. However if I'm gonna play against someone I'm not gonna inject the game with jokes about how DA are all of a specific orientation, unless its that sort of game night. If I decide well heck, let's have fun with 40k then that's what's gonna happen and maybe the forces of mankind have to square off against Buzz Lightyear?

But as a pick up game in a store? I'm kind of expecting to play 40k and if you brought your MLP Space Furries army, then we are just gonna have a good laugh about your funny miniatures and leave it at that.

On the other hand, I try not to let my 40k addiction creep into my real life and I'd much prefer to keep my interests separate. Yes I like Star Wars, no I'm not gonna build an IG Stormtrooper army. In fact, I don't need to look for crossovers in 40k because a lot of the old inspiration is still there. I love HR Geiger. Tyranids. I don't see how I can get any closer to an Aliens themed army than that. Add in some IG and suddenly I have Aliens 2. I like the american jungle war stereotype, or Rambo if you will ( the book was actually really good) and Catachans are nothing if not Vietnam era jungle fighters.

I could go on at length describing the different aspects of 40k and how easily they tie into other things. I mean the game was basically a mish mash of everything cool in the 80s, even political satire! So my question is this, why are we struggling to inject other, barely appropriate, material into a world that is already chock full of other themes?

Why do wanna put your Space Marines on cute ponies? Because the juxtaposition of extreme violence and unrelenting compassion is hilariously satisfying? Well I have two words for you, if that's what you want out of 40k...

Tau Empire!


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Seriously that's what I'm gonna call bronies in 40k from now on, sorry legit Tau players, but you guys knew it was coming from the beginning.

My Little Tau.

Don't really have an issue with the franchise now that the Brony fad has died down (and no longer is shoving stuff down your throat with little say) since the late 00's. But as I play 40K exclusively to fluff, show up with an MLP converted army and I leave. Same with any other gag army that breaks the lore completely.

Although I also detest MLP's hugbox nature as a melancholic Nihilist. It's like bright light to a vampire, it makes me hiss and retreat into shadows.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Nihilist

I have a 21 month old daughter, she loves MLP, no idea why, she's far too young to understand it, it's probably the colours. I can sit and watch it with her, back to back for a few hours, having a little chuckle at some of the jokes they put in to keep parents amused. I would rather sit through 3 hours of MLP than 1 hour of Peppa fething Pig...
That said, I don't think 40k and MLP should cross. One is a hobby that I enjoy the way it is, the other is one for spending time with my eldest child when I'm off work. It is, a children's show, I won't go out of my way tk watch it, but I can appreciate that people can easily get hooked on it, it's like how Spongebob was (is) popular with adults.

 Wyzilla wrote:
But as I play 40K exclusively to fluff, show up with an MLP converted army and I leave. Same with any other gag army that breaks the lore completely.

But gag armies can be some of the most visually impressive, if executed properly and with proper work put into them.

Not to mention that "breaking the fluff completely" is.. Pretty vague. There really isn't much in the way of cannon in 40k. Damn near anything that someone wants to do could be passed off as plausible.

Just to give an example and play devil's advocate, a MLP army using the marine codex. They could just spout some fluff out about an alien race with combat doctrine and equipment that's closest to the marines, and it's suddenly lore-approved by 40k standards.

 Wyzilla wrote:
......But as I play 40K exclusively to fluff, show up with an MLP converted army and I leave. Same with any other gag army that breaks the lore completely.

7th edition must be a horrible experience for you.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
But as I play 40K exclusively to fluff, show up with an MLP converted army and I leave. Same with any other gag army that breaks the lore completely.

But gag armies can be some of the most visually impressive, if executed properly and with proper work put into them.

Not to mention that "breaking the fluff completely" is.. Pretty vague. There really isn't much in the way of cannon in 40k. Damn near anything that someone wants to do could be passed off as plausible.

Just to give an example and play devil's advocate, a MLP army using the marine codex. They could just spout some fluff out about an alien race with combat doctrine and equipment that's closest to the marines, and it's suddenly lore-approved by 40k standards.

And I'd tell them to go find somebody else to play with until they come back with something serious. It doesn't matter how much work or love they put into such a thing, either show up with a serious army or don't show up at all. Trying to justify MLP marines would just have me laugh them out.

 Wyzilla wrote:


And I'd tell them to go find somebody else to play with until they come back with something serious. It doesn't matter how much work or love they put into such a thing, either show up with a serious army or don't show up at all. Trying to justify MLP marines would just have me laugh them out.

But the point is what makes a serious army?

Is it all GW miniatures?

All painted miniatures?

All converted?

All 'playable' races, even if using non GW parts?

Any army which is just using an official codex, regardless of models?

Simply your judgement call?

Serious is a word I'd be tentative to use in relation to 40k.

We're talking about a game where Orks are giant muscly fungus men who knock eachother's teeth out for fun, and use said teeth as currency whilst flying around the galaxy only because they think they can. Nuns-with-guns are a thing, and one race has taken "BDSM is a way of life" to never imagined extremes. 40k as a setting is pretty silly to begin with, and it's set up so that pretty much anything can fit.

Oh, space-land-sharks are also a thing in official fluff.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:


And I'd tell them to go find somebody else to play with until they come back with something serious. It doesn't matter how much work or love they put into such a thing, either show up with a serious army or don't show up at all. Trying to justify MLP marines would just have me laugh them out.

But the point is what makes a serious army?

Is it all GW miniatures?

All painted miniatures?

All converted?

All 'playable' races, even if using non GW parts?

Any army which is just using an official codex, regardless of models?

Simply your judgement call?

Serious is a word I'd be tentative to use in relation to 40k.

We're talking about a game where Orks are giant muscly fungus men who knock eachother's teeth out for fun, and use said teeth as currency whilst flying around the galaxy only because they think they can. Nuns-with-guns are a thing, and one race has taken "BDSM is a way of life" to never imagined extremes. 40k as a setting is pretty silly to begin with, and it's set up so that pretty much anything can fit.

Oh, space-land-sharks are also a thing in official fluff.

Not deviating from official material or flying in the face of it.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
But as I play 40K exclusively to fluff, show up with an MLP converted army and I leave. Same with any other gag army that breaks the lore completely.

But gag armies can be some of the most visually impressive, if executed properly and with proper work put into them.

Not to mention that "breaking the fluff completely" is.. Pretty vague. There really isn't much in the way of cannon in 40k. Damn near anything that someone wants to do could be passed off as plausible.

Just to give an example and play devil's advocate, a MLP army using the marine codex. They could just spout some fluff out about an alien race with combat doctrine and equipment that's closest to the marines, and it's suddenly lore-approved by 40k standards.

There is no such thing as a visually impressive MLP army. Now that we have made that clear...

MLP crossover is something that annoys me, a friend was into it, I didn't and still don't get it. Told him simply not to talk to me about it, he respects that. I kind of want the same respect from my opponents, MLP in the context of bronies annoy me, please don't annoy me as I try to have fun in a social game. I just won't play you and we both go our happy way.

Crossovers are pretty obnoxious. Star Wars and 40k ones almost are as bad.

Also this brings up the question of proxies. I will respect you don't have money to get a rhino and so you're using that ork buggy or modified box as a stand in. Eventually you'll step up and get one and so your army will be visually complete. A MLP will never do that.

This is a pretty stupid topic actually...

 Wyzilla wrote:


Not deviating from official material or flying in the face of it.

So you refuse to play people who do not use officla GW minis?

Noted, I sincerely hope I never have the displeasure of finding you at the opposite end of the table when I'm looking for a game.

 Quickjager wrote:


There is no such thing as a visually impressive MLP army. Now that we have made that clear...

While you'll get no argument from me about the stupidity of most of the ones I've seen, there is a picture floating around of a scratch built pony marine which is pretty impressive. I've never seen a MLP army that I'd actually think looked good (in anyway), but saying that there's no such thing is silly. Especially when what's impressive is wholly subjective.

 Quickjager wrote:


Also this brings up the question of proxies. I will respect you don't have money to get a rhino and so you're using that ork buggy or modified box as a stand in. Eventually you'll step up and get one and so your army will be visually complete. A MLP will never do that.

I'm not talking about dropping some MLP toys on the table and calling it an army - I'm playing advocate, not moron. I'm more referring to the equivilent of Victoria's various IG trooks, using old Starship Trooper miniatures as Nids, or Ork scratchbuilds (the last two of these are the best examples). The sort of things which are not "official" in any capacity and may even find their base in another game or toy, but have had work and effort put into them so that they fit the 40k aesthetic whilst still being unique and compelling.

darkcloak wrote:I could go on at length describing the different aspects of 40k and how easily they tie into other things.

Considering that you associate Tau with "unrelenting compassion" I can't imagine most of the things you have to say about 40k would be at all accurate, or make any god-damned sense, but okay.

darkcloak wrote:I mean the game was basically a mish mash of everything cool in the 80s, even political satire! So my question is this, why are we struggling to inject other, barely appropriate, material into a world that is already chock full of other themes?

My question is why does anyone care? If you knew how 40k began and that it's basically a huge mish-mash of goofy gak from the 80's, which was intended to be satirical and not taken anywhere near as seriously as it currently is, then how the hell can you possibly take it so seriously now that you object to people injecting their own goofy gak into it?

darkcloak wrote:

Seriously that's what I'm gonna call bronies in 40k from now on, sorry legit Tau players, but you guys knew it was coming from the beginning.

My Little Tau.

I just wanted to say that I love how you apparently love H.R. Giger so much you couldn't be bothered to spell his name right, and called Aliens "Aliens 2". You can say whatever you want about me or Tau players in general after that because I know you don't have a clue, lol.

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
That said, I don't think 40k and MLP should cross.

Whether you think they "should" or not is irrelevant. This is just something the internet does, and I don't think it's meant to be taken as seriously as the ones posting in this thread are taking it. I've seen Adventure Time/Mad Max: Fury Road crossover art, too, for example, and I doubt that's being taken as a serious push to get an Adventure Time/Mad Max crossover film made, either.

The irony in all of this is that 40k itself is made for kids, and one need only look at the recent fluff and some of the model designs they're putting out to see that, yet there seems to be a huge case of denial going on. "No, 40k isn't a lame 'kiddie' hobby, 40k is a MAN'S game! 40k is metal af and can only be played 'proper' by being absolutely smashed! I'm not a loser like those guys into MLP or Spongebob, those guys are real losers! 40k is a dark and serious game with adult themes, kids shouldn't even be able to play!"

You're not really fooling anyone.

This ^. Once you refuse to play games with people because their toys aren't as grown-up as your toys, you really need to stop and think a minute.

 Torga_DW wrote:
This ^. Once you refuse to play games with people because their toys aren't as grown-up as your toys, you really need to stop and think a minute.

Sometimes, people forget that we're playing with our toy soldiers in a friends basement rolling dice and getting into arguments about how much the shrub blocks LOS. I love playing warhammer, I have a ton of fun, and sometimes people seem to forget that. It becomes less of a fun social experience where you hang with your friends, or you meet some new people, or you have fun theory crafting or whatever, too many people make it all about WINNING! About how they need to crush the person they're playing against. Who cares about having fun when I can just crush them, because fun is for babies. I don't like converted MLP mins, personally I wouldn't play against them because the colors bug me, but you know, I wouldn't tell him/her that their army was awful and shouldn't exist. I'd complement them for taking the time to convert all of that stuff, it's respectable.

It was already shoehorned with Furries...I mean just look at those things they call B-B-Beastmen.

I need to go to the closest Interrogator-Chaplain to repent for
my sins.

 Torga_DW wrote:
This ^. Once you refuse to play games with people because their toys aren't as grown-up as your toys, you really need to stop and think a minute.

What if I refuse to have BDSM sex with someone

Am I not grownup because their toys are not to my liking

EDIT: Also morganfreeman, show me that pic. Burden is on the plaintiff not the defender...

 Sidstyler wrote:

darkcloak wrote:I could go on at length describing the different aspects of 40k and how easily they tie into other things.

Considering that you associate Tau with "unrelenting compassion" I can't imagine most of the things you have to say about 40k would be at all accurate, or make any god-damned sense, but okay.

darkcloak wrote:I mean the game was basically a mish mash of everything cool in the 80s, even political satire! So my question is this, why are we struggling to inject other, barely appropriate, material into a world that is already chock full of other themes?

My question is why does anyone care? If you knew how 40k began and that it's basically a huge mish-mash of goofy gak from the 80's, which was intended to be satirical and not taken anywhere near as seriously as it currently is, then how the hell can you possibly take it so seriously now that you object to people injecting their own goofy gak into it?

darkcloak wrote:

Seriously that's what I'm gonna call bronies in 40k from now on, sorry legit Tau players, but you guys knew it was coming from the beginning.

My Little Tau.

I just wanted to say that I love how you apparently love H.R. Giger so much you couldn't be bothered to spell his name right, and called Aliens "Aliens 2". You can say whatever you want about me or Tau players in general after that because I know you don't have a clue, lol.

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
That said, I don't think 40k and MLP should cross.

Whether you think they "should" or not is irrelevant. This is just something the internet does, and I don't think it's meant to be taken as seriously as the ones posting in this thread are taking it. I've seen Adventure Time/Mad Max: Fury Road crossover art, too, for example, and I doubt that's being taken as a serious push to get an Adventure Time/Mad Max crossover film made, either.

The irony in all of this is that 40k itself is made for kids, and one need only look at the recent fluff and some of the model designs they're putting out to see that, yet there seems to be a huge case of denial going on. "No, 40k isn't a lame 'kiddie' hobby, 40k is a MAN'S game! 40k is metal af and can only be played 'proper' by being absolutely smashed! I'm not a loser like those guys into MLP or Spongebob, those guys are real losers! 40k is a dark and serious game with adult themes, kids shouldn't even be able to play!"

You're not really fooling anyone.

Okay I was trying to make light of the situation, but sure.

I'm sorry I don't use your silly emoticons to convey the hilarity I envision I when I think of My Little Tau.

Fish Head Space Commies are about as compassionate as 40k gets, and there is a good chance the whole Tau concept is GW trolling itself. In fact I'm pretty sure Tau might just be the "fun" army for me. 12 dudes for $45? At least the Gimps are cheaper! Some people like Orks because they are funny, to me your little blue gimps are chuckle worthy and one day I'll probably own an army of them. And for me, that's my equivalent to a gag army. I'm sorry I had to come down here and write it out for you like this, but apparently some people need to have it s-p-e-l-l-e-d o-u-t. If you want the odd contrast of hyper-friendly and hyper-violent then look no farther than the fish heads, all I'm saying.

ZOMG! I spelled ahrt guyz name wrong! That makes me feel dumb, and completely invalidates my argument. Case closed. Thanks cell phone.

Furthermore, I didn't say MLP was "not allowed" I just said I'd avoid it if it were me. It's not my responsibility to make sure bronies feel welcome. Did I imply that when hypothetical MLP Marines showed up I wold make fun of them? I'm sorry, I meant to say that openly. I will make fun of your ponies and I will laugh at you, we will not play 40k. I am a bad person who only wants fans of MLP to be uncomfortable.

Ultimately, if you took the time to build and paint a My Little Pony themed army then you have to be ready for a few jibes. Or do the bronies show up all stone faced and grim?




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Actually, if the brony did show up all serious business, with Chaos Ponies of Eternal Hatred, then I would probably gak my pants.

Can you imagine?

We are the Ponies of the Long War, and we are here to eviscerate your flesh!

:plunks down Helpony:

:turns on dry ice machine and puts on Slayer:

Death-Hugs for all!

 Quickjager wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
This ^. Once you refuse to play games with people because their toys aren't as grown-up as your toys, you really need to stop and think a minute.

What if I refuse to have BDSM sex with someone

Am I not grownup because their toys are not to my liking

really. you need to stop and think a minute about what you've just said. How often are you in a situation where you're hanging with friends or strangers at the local club or house using your sex toys together and suddenly you don't like the look of the other guy's sex toys so you refuse to play them?

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
This ^. Once you refuse to play games with people because their toys aren't as grown-up as your toys, you really need to stop and think a minute.

What if I refuse to have BDSM sex with someone

Am I not grownup because their toys are not to my liking

really. you need to stop and think a minute about what you've just said. How often are you in a situation where you're hanging with friends or strangers at the local club or house using your sex toys together and suddenly you don't like the look of the other guy's sex toys so you refuse to play them?

Too many to count

I think Morgan was talking about this one:



or maybe these:

 FakeBritishPerson wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
This ^. Once you refuse to play games with people because their toys aren't as grown-up as your toys, you really need to stop and think a minute.

What if I refuse to have BDSM sex with someone

Am I not grownup because their toys are not to my liking

really. you need to stop and think a minute about what you've just said. How often are you in a situation where you're hanging with friends or strangers at the local club or house using your sex toys together and suddenly you don't like the look of the other guy's sex toys so you refuse to play them?

Too many to count

Oh yea, remember that other night? Would make a Slaneeshi cultist blush.

DPBellathrom has put quite a bit of work into this.

I just hate it when I see a pony in space marine armor. It looks dumb and forced.

Family friendly forum guys. Keep that in mind when you post

I actually really like the look of those pony conversions. I might try one myself!

Imagine using MLP sculpts converted into Interex soldiers and using the rules for an SM bikes army! I'd do it.

 Sidstyler wrote:

darkcloak wrote:I could go on at length describing the different aspects of 40k and how easily they tie into other things.

Considering that you associate Tau with "unrelenting compassion" I can't imagine most of the things you have to say about 40k would be at all accurate, or make any god-damned sense, but okay.

darkcloak wrote:I mean the game was basically a mish mash of everything cool in the 80s, even political satire! So my question is this, why are we struggling to inject other, barely appropriate, material into a world that is already chock full of other themes?

My question is why does anyone care? If you knew how 40k began and that it's basically a huge mish-mash of goofy gak from the 80's, which was intended to be satirical and not taken anywhere near as seriously as it currently is, then how the hell can you possibly take it so seriously now that you object to people injecting their own goofy gak into it?

darkcloak wrote:

Seriously that's what I'm gonna call bronies in 40k from now on, sorry legit Tau players, but you guys knew it was coming from the beginning.

My Little Tau.

I just wanted to say that I love how you apparently love H.R. Giger so much you couldn't be bothered to spell his name right, and called Aliens "Aliens 2". You can say whatever you want about me or Tau players in general after that because I know you don't have a clue, lol.

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
That said, I don't think 40k and MLP should cross.

Whether you think they "should" or not is irrelevant. This is just something the internet does, and I don't think it's meant to be taken as seriously as the ones posting in this thread are taking it. I've seen Adventure Time/Mad Max: Fury Road crossover art, too, for example, and I doubt that's being taken as a serious push to get an Adventure Time/Mad Max crossover film made, either.

The irony in all of this is that 40k itself is made for kids, and one need only look at the recent fluff and some of the model designs they're putting out to see that, yet there seems to be a huge case of denial going on. "No, 40k isn't a lame 'kiddie' hobby, 40k is a MAN'S game! 40k is metal af and can only be played 'proper' by being absolutely smashed! I'm not a loser like those guys into MLP or Spongebob, those guys are real losers! 40k is a dark and serious game with adult themes, kids shouldn't even be able to play!"

You're not really fooling anyone.

Let me put it this way; I don't think it's appropriate for Rainbow Dash to be purging heretics whilst she should be stomping clouds in Ponyville, and I'm sure Princess Celestia would make a fine Empress, but I can't see her powering the Astronomicon.
I started playing 40k at age 9 and have never played a game smashed. I said I can quite happily sit and watch MLP with my daughter.
Just because I dislike the crossing of fandoms, doesn't mean I'm a . Know what else I don't like? T-shirts with Doctor Who/ anything else mash ups, it doesn't settle with my personal canon. Just because I don't want to see Storm Trooper Cybermen, doesn't mean Star Wars is for super duper grown ups and DW is for kids. Read my entire post, and at least try and understand that some people just like their fandoms to stay unhybridised. Doesn't mean I hate bronies, doesn't mean I won't play a game with someone wearing a Twilight Sparkle tee, in fact, I'd probably have a right laugh with him/her about some GROWN UP jokes that get thrown in to the show.

You have not lived unless you played 4ok drunk.
And y,know, there are a lot of grown up jokes, or at lease jokes only adults will fully get in a lot of cartoons.

40k isn't a 'fandom' (Seven Hells, I hate that term).

MLP is like Pokemon - adults pretend to like it because it's anti-cool, and there's nothing cooler than not being cool.

imfo.

Even before bronies were a thing, 40k was used for comic effect to express abhorrence at cutsie (frequently Japanese stuff), such as furries and lolly. This one has been around for ages:

 Spacewolfoddballz wrote:
I guess i am old but when i was a kid my little pony was a little girls cartoon. Now my son's friend who is around age 21 said he watches a new my little pony that apparently has a different tone to it than the early cartoons that was for little girls.... i am guessing simular to some other cartoon shows that are out there now more for young adults i guess... however, to me i still view ponies cartoons as the old school for little girls and personally i think young men need to learn how to be "men" and not girls.. part of what is wrong with the world today in my opinion.

I suppose attitudes change. I remember my father recounting the attitude of a man who was old when my father was young. He heard this man, who might easily have been born in the 19th century, criticizing another man for changing his child's nappy, saying: "I always thought he was a "man", until I saw him changing a baby's nappy". It is possible that in that man's time, changing a nappy was considered "woman's work" and unmanly. However, nowadays if I encountered a man who refused to deal with his child's nappy, I would consider his attitude immature, selfish, cowardly, and altogether quite "unmanly".

What is acting "like a man" even supposed to mean? I seem to see far too many douche bags acting macho and starting fights, as if they are trying to prove how "manly" they are, that's what I think is wrong with the world. Of course it's admirable to be brave, to stand up for things you believe in, to take care of your family, and your responsibilities. But why can't a woman also do that? That isn't acting like a man, it's just acting like a decent human being. Even if a guy liked to wear a fluffy pink tutu, and run around singing sunshine and lollipops... so long as he was a decent human being, I'd have far more respect for him, than I would some jerk who needs to go shoot a deer to make himself feel "manly", but doesn't take care of his family.

Ultimately, what people do when it really matters is what defines them, not maintaining some macho façade when it doesn't.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You have not lived unless you played 4ok drunk.
And y,know, there are a lot of grown up jokes, or at lease jokes only adults will fully get in a lot of cartoons.

Drunk WarHams is funny, especially big games where not everyone is drinking - they try to keep some semblance of control but it's like herding cats.

re adult jokes in kids shows: Ren and Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life spring to mind. In fact, anything on Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network in the 90s!


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 Smacks wrote:

 Spacewolfoddballz wrote:

Spoiler:

I guess i am old but when i was a kid my little pony was a little girls cartoon. Now my son's friend who is around age 21 said he watches a new my little pony that apparently has a different tone to it than the early cartoons that was for little girls.... i am guessing simular to some other cartoon shows that are out there now more for young adults i guess... however, to me i still view ponies cartoons as the old school for little girls and personally i think young men need to learn how to be "men" and not girls.. part of what is wrong with the world today in my opinion.

I suppose attitudes change. I remember my father recounting the attitude of a man who was old when my father was young. He heard this man, who might easily have been born in the 19th century, criticizing another man for changing his child's nappy, saying: "I always thought he was a "man", until I saw him changing a baby's nappy". It is possible that in that man's time, changing a nappy was considered "woman's work" and unmanly. However, nowadays if I encountered a man who refused to deal with his child's nappy, I would consider his attitude immature, selfish, cowardly, and altogether quite "unmanly".

What is acting "like a man" even supposed to mean? I seem to see far too many douche bags acting macho and starting fights, as if they are trying to prove how "manly" they are, that's what I think is wrong with the world. Of course it's admirable to be brave, to stand up for things you believe in, to take care of your family, and your responsibilities. But why can't a woman also do that? That isn't acting like a man, it's just acting like a decent human being. Even if a guy liked to wear a fluffy pink tutu, and run around singing sunshine a lollipops... so long as he was a decent human being, I'd have far more respect for him than some jerk who needs to go shoot a deer to make himself feel "manly", but doesn't take care of his family.

Excellently put, and not at all expected on a table top gaming forum!

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