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I’m sure it’s a much needed addition to an army that was lacking in close combat units. I mean it’s only got flagellants and penitents and crusaders and death cultists. No real melee selections at all.

At least everything in the Sororitas has nice plastic kits already though. Well, apart from crusaders and death cultists, but they’ve only been an established part of the lore for decades. No rush.


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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I’m sure it’s a much needed addition to an army that was lacking in close combat units. I mean it’s only got flagellants and penitents and crusaders and death cultists. No real melee selections at all.

Three of those four units may or may not be in the next codex however...

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I mean, sure those exist, but outside of repentia, none of those are sisters.

It's not a bad idea in concept because it's a sisters' melee unit that isn't a bunch of death seeking lunatics.
   
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 Mmmpi wrote:
I mean, sure those exist, but outside of repentia, none of those are sisters.

It's not a bad idea in concept because it's a sisters' melee unit that isn't a bunch of death seeking lunatics.


My point is, in sidelining (and possibly doing away with) all the non sisters units in, what used to be the old Witch Hunters army, they are stripping away a lot of the character which made it so unique. Introducing a melee unit that isn’t death seeking lunatics just makes the army one step towards boring.
   
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I find this new unit to be incredible. This is exactly what I wanted from Sisters. I love it so much.

This is everything I want from 40K.

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Really it should be mace/shield or halberd. I guess that doing that with the kit would have required them be more poseable than they are right now, and a more posable model would perhaps increase modularity, and GW doesn't like that.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I’d rather have had a plastic crusaders kit. It used to be all the weirdness of crusaders, death cultists and inquisitors that could accompany a Witch Hunters army, that gave it such a wonderful flavour. Adepta Sororitas are in danger of becoming as bland and the rest of 40K.
Well this isn't the Witch Hunter book anymore. GW are of the mind right now that the Inquisition should play little-to-no role on the battlefields of the 41st Millennium. This is why the Inquisition is in such a poor state right now.

Legacy units like Crusaders and Death Cultists are more likely to be removed from the army altogether than they are get new rules and a plastic release. Frankly it's a miracle that Archo-Flagellants stayed around.

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Mmmpi wrote:
I mean, sure those exist, but outside of repentia, none of those are sisters.

It's not a bad idea in concept because it's a sisters' melee unit that isn't a bunch of death seeking lunatics.


My point is, in sidelining (and possibly doing away with) all the non sisters units in, what used to be the old Witch Hunters army, they are stripping away a lot of the character which made it so unique. Introducing a melee unit that isn’t death seeking lunatics just makes the army one step towards boring.


Are they being sidelined?

And boring for you. Not for everyone.
   
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 Mmmpi wrote:
I mean, sure those exist, but outside of repentia, none of those are sisters.

It's not a bad idea in concept because it's a sisters' melee unit that isn't a bunch of death seeking lunatics.

My bad on the Arco-flagellants as I had forgotten that they had received a plastic kit. On the Crusaders and Death Cult Assassins my point stands. As resin kits, there's a good chance that they may not be in the next Adepta Sororitas codex.

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And a good chance they will be in the codex.

It's pure conjecture right now to say they'll be gone.

I don't think anyone saying they like the new models is saying they should replace the DCA, Crs, ect.
It's a thematic option that appeals to some people who don't necessarily want everything to be weird.

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 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I find this new unit to be incredible. This is exactly what I wanted from Sisters. I love it so much.

This is everything I want from 40K.


Yeah. I'm feeling a little aggrieved. I was flipping through, pondering the start of a sisters army project, but decided against because they don't have any melee units I really like. (The repentia are...fine... but what's in my head doesn't really mesh with disgraced & potentially even non-militant sinners. Zephyrim, I mostly dislike the poses and the flight stands. Especially the flight stands).

But these... may just change my mind. I could do the army I'm picturing in my head with these as the melee lynchpin. Especially if the maces look good.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Have you actually listened to that video yourself?

I did. Did you? Including comments? Because there are literally hundreds of depictions of halberd + shield wielders, spread through whole Europe and hundreds of years time. Which would never happen, given limited surviving sources, if the practice wasn't really common (and no, single allegorical picture drawn by bored monk is not even close to anything resembling rebuttal).

For three, have you actually had the pleassure to handle such a thing? I had with a replica, let me tell you just outright, no.

I did. It's doable, and I certainly had no power armour on (or decades of hard labour medieval people did). Hell, I commuted twice weekly to university a state away with 20 kg bag and trying HEMA activities on medieval fairs was nothing in comparison.

I also like how (as always) whining only starts when Sisters get unit X, mechanicus has nearly identical (except looking like garbage and with a shield that looks fifty times as cumbersome while wielded by mostly human body) FW unit and I can't find any complains about it
   
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 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I find this new unit to be incredible. This is exactly what I wanted from Sisters. I love it so much.

This is everything I want from 40K.


Same here. They give a great medieval crusade in space vibe. I can imagine rows and rows of them marching through some mega cathedral or something else wonderfully over the top and 40K.
   
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Tygre wrote:
A minor quibble is how can she use a polearm with 1 hand. You need two hands to use a polearm, but one hand is holding the shield. Can they sling the shields on their back, or something (magnetics like marines?), during melee?


Using 2-handed weapons with a large shield was actually quite common in medieval times. It required a shoulder strap that hung around your neck, but could easily be repositioned for several types of attack stances.
   
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The more I look at it, the more I hate the shield (but love the rest of the model). It's not just the colour, it's also the shape. What do they do, tip them over, fill with water and baptize their cherubs? It's like they're carrying mini bathtubs to war. Cleanliness is next to godliness, I guess.
   
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For those mad about the Halbred/Shield, might I suggest a trip to the Historical Wargaming community. Sounds like that's more of what you want, a community and game solidly based not in fantasy, but in reality.
   
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You can thrust with a two-handed weapon while holding a shield, you cannot swing with one, and she certainly can't use that halberd one-handed. That halberd is completely unusable.

Although you can say 40k isn't supposed to be realistic, it's unusual for them to model something so obviously impossible.

   
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I mean, she is wearing power armour. Let's just assume that helps her swing the weapon one handed? Or maybe some sort of sci fi super alloy that's light enough to let them swing one handed?
   
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For all of you supposed halberd experts out there, do be sure to look up actual historic references to that very practice.

"The more you know" and all that eh?

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Dunno, I'm going for maces. Something about Sororitas beating the gak out of heretics with spiked stuff is....reassuring.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well this isn't the Witch Hunter book anymore. GW are of the mind right now that the Inquisition should play little-to-no role on the battlefields of the 41st Millennium. This is why the Inquisition is in such a poor state right now.

Legacy units like Crusaders and Death Cultists are more likely to be removed from the army altogether than they are get new rules and a plastic release. Frankly it's a miracle that Archo-Flagellants stayed around.


I had Death Cultists down on the =][= side of things from the old WH book, but I thought Crusaders and Arco-Flagellants were on the Ecclesiarchy side of things, normally.

As someone else mentioned, all Crusaders need for a solid role is a Bodyguard rule, and they're golden - both here, and in the IG book (if they stay in there).

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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Crusaders should be Bodyguards but for Priests only. Celestians should be the bodyguard unit for canonesses.

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drbored wrote:smh people really complaining about space-nuns wielding power-halberds with their strength-enhancing power armor so they can better worship the dead-but-not-really-dead god-emperor 40 thousand years in the future.


The people here will complain about anything. No matter what. We're a decade into the endless, mindless complaining that this community thrives on. They could make a list of exactly what they want, and if they got it they'd make up stuff to complain about. I mean, there are people in this thread complaining about the color of the shields. There are people complaining that because some Space Marine unit (out of 100's of Space Marine releases) has shields that these new Sisters are just boring and generic copies. Hell, there are even people here complaining that Sisters are getting new releases at all!

I've been a Sisters player since the very first releases. They were the first 40K army that I bought, after playing with a friend's starter set Space Marines for a year. Like a lot of players, I've gone through decades of disappointment, waiting for new releases. And now we finally get brand new units! Not Inquisitor units or weird freak show units, but actual brand new Sisters units! In fact, literally the shield carrying Celestians that people have been asking for since at least 3rd edition!!!

And the response is complaining?

Jesus.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
I had Death Cultists down on the =][= side of things from the old WH book, but I thought Crusaders and Arco-Flagellants were on the Ecclesiarchy side of things, normally.

As someone else mentioned, all Crusaders need for a solid role is a Bodyguard rule, and they're golden - both here, and in the IG book (if they stay in there).
There's no Priest model either, and we were all certain that we were getting one of those.

Either GW are going to reveal a suite of plastic Ecclesiarchy units (Priests, Crusaders, and so on) to bulk up the Sisters forces, or they're just going to cut them altogether. GW often take the path of least effort when it comes to remaking old things (just look at the bull gak release Dark Eldar received), especially things that aren't even Sisters, so I think they'll just remove them completely.

I will be ecstatically happy if I am wrong.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
I had Death Cultists down on the =][= side of things from the old WH book, but I thought Crusaders and Arco-Flagellants were on the Ecclesiarchy side of things, normally.

As someone else mentioned, all Crusaders need for a solid role is a Bodyguard rule, and they're golden - both here, and in the IG book (if they stay in there).
There's no Priest model either, and we were all certain that we were getting one of those.

Either GW are going to reveal a suite of plastic Ecclesiarchy units (Priests, Crusaders, and so on) to bulk up the Sisters forces, or they're just going to cut them altogether. GW often take the path of least effort when it comes to remaking old things (just look at the bull gak release Dark Eldar received), especially things that aren't even Sisters, so I think they'll just remove them completely.

I will be ecstatically happy if I am wrong.



I wouldn't be surprised if they cut them for this upcoming codex and then release a big wave of plastic Ministorium stuff down the line that can be part of Sisters, Guard or INQ lists. And then put them back in the next Codex.
   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Crusaders should be Bodyguards but for Priests only. Celestians should be the bodyguard unit for canonesses.

Makes sense - they are described pretty much that way in the lore.

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Hey, I was wondering if anyone had any strong opinions about halberds? Seems to have been overlooked...

I think this model look boss, this unit and the new tank both have me quite interested in finally starting a Sisters army. This is exactly the kind of stuff that would have tipped me over the edge of the into collecting them in 2nd. And if the weird arco dudes get rolled out into something else, even better.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
I had Death Cultists down on the =][= side of things from the old WH book, but I thought Crusaders and Arco-Flagellants were on the Ecclesiarchy side of things, normally.

As someone else mentioned, all Crusaders need for a solid role is a Bodyguard rule, and they're golden - both here, and in the IG book (if they stay in there).
There's no Priest model either, and we were all certain that we were getting one of those.

Either GW are going to reveal a suite of plastic Ecclesiarchy units (Priests, Crusaders, and so on) to bulk up the Sisters forces, or they're just going to cut them altogether. GW often take the path of least effort when it comes to remaking old things (just look at the bull gak release Dark Eldar received), especially things that aren't even Sisters, so I think they'll just remove them completely.

I will be ecstatically happy if I am wrong.



I'll be surprised to see Crusaders removed when they relatively recently included an updated one in Combat Arena.

Honestly a lot of the Ecclesiarchy stuff seems like it would be best suited for a Kill Team / Warhammer Quest style release. If GW wanted to revamp them I could totally see them taking that approach, but also designing the kits to work as a separate product like the Blackstone Chaos cultists so they can be used with a codex too.
   
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The model is nice enough. Hard to get something wrong that's just a Sister with different weapons.

I don't think a new helmet look was necessary, but it's one of GW's sculptors' favorite ways of distinguishing (new) units. So not really surprising, even if I'd rather use a normal one instead.

As for H.B.M.C.'s concerns about the absence of priest models, don't we have a rumor engine of Ecclesiarchy shoulder dress/armor that's reminiscent of the blood sucking Necron dude's victim (and the priest from Blackstone Fortress, come to think of it)? Given Sisters seem to be in for a larger release, and that GW was quite happy to drop a ton of character clampacks the first time around, I don't see why we shouldn't expect a Confessor, Preacher or both with the next wave of models*. As happy as GW is to make unreasonable decisions for Dark Eldar, it doesn't seem like Sisters are in a comparable situation. They're actually getting cool stuff for their plastic revamp and continued support thereafter.



* Or they get squatted and we get a Cardinal on a floaty pulpit with a retinue instead because of GW's fixation with centerpieces. Who knows? But there does seem to be something for the priesthood in the pipeline.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Out of nowhere.

That’s right, folks – the Battle Sister Bulletin is back! As with our very first series on the Adepta Sororitas, which built up to the launch of their hotly anticipated plastic range, we’ll be bringing you a new instalment every couple of weeks, complete with reveals of upcoming miniatures, artwork, rules, and more.

In this instalment, we’re introducing a new division of the Celestians – the fighting elite of the Orders Militant – known as Celestian Sacresants. Like their Celestian sisters, Sacresants traditionally act as bodyguards to the heads of their Order, but they’re also tasked with another holy duty – purging the impure and driving them from sites of sacred significance on the battlefield.

As a Celestian, each Sacresant is a highly skilled warrior, able to overcome many times her own number in battle. Sacresants wield a variety of blessed polearms and maces with which to smite the unclean, and bear large, ornate shields to ward off the blows of their enemies. Protected in both body and spirit, Celestian Sacresants are the wall against which waves of heretics will break.

So, now you know who they are, take a look at these fearsome new Battle Sisters!

Imperious poses? Check.

Cool shields? Check.

Massive, heretic-smiting weapons? Check.

Excellent.

What’s more, the Adepta Sororitas finally has a heavily armoured close combat unit with some serious staying power. The Celestian Sacresants will certainly look great in your collection, as they really stand apart from the crowd.

Speaking of which, this awesome new unit is on its way soon, so if you want to make sure you already have an Adepta Sororitas collection to add them to, grab yourself a Battle Sisters Squad or two today.*


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