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 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers

Shining Spears don't need an update, then? Ok.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Isn't this "holding back models" thing wrong? They make the rules for the miniatures, not the other way around. I remember reading before that they operate on a several year timeframe when it comes to designing and releasing new stuff, so Castellan Crowe wasn't "held back" for 2-3 years for some vague unknown reason, that's just how long it takes.

It's both. Sometimes the painted model seen in official photos is finished quite close to release and put out asap, sometimes it's two or three years before release and waits a while. Things get delayed or rearranged for various reasons, and GW do maintain a pipeline of things in various stages of production and make adjustments on the fly.

 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers

Or an Autarch on bike, or a new vyper, or the improbable vyper diorama, or the jetbikes with axes. Or new warlocks on bikes. Or, or, or...

Whether these rumours are true or just guess work there is clearly stuff for eldar coming. The warhammer community stuff shows that. But so much of the Reddit stuff is too good to be true.

 Vovin wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers

Or an Autarch on bike, or a new vyper, or the improbable vyper diorama, or the jetbikes with axes. Or new warlocks on bikes. Or, or, or...

Squigs on jetbikes!

Interesting that these advent engines all have an Eldar style background.

 Hellebore wrote:
Well the calendar now has a jetbike engine so that pretty much confirms Ranger bikers

Or shining spears?

Edit: Oops, didn't see the page turnover.

Nice to see we're getting updates at last!

what excites me the most is the prospect of new models/units. You know there is no way GW will just update old models with this big release (hello Necrons), they absolutely will use the opportunity to create new units that all Eldar players will want, while also updating a few of the Aspects.
The reliable leak did state "incomplete" update, which means that there are probably a few older models that won;' get updated. I have yet to hear anything about new Fire Dragons, but I would put solid money on new Warp Spiders and Scorpions simply because each of these featured in the little blurbs in the PA books (which many of those blurbs have already led to new models/units). I'm also expecting the Warp Spider Phoenix Lord (again PA).

I need to finish painting my sisters now because I will be absolutely changing gears (and gunning those jetbike engines) when this lot drops.

Imagine the heartbreak if these advent previews turned out to be new Drukhari... nothing to say they couldn't be Harlequins either - the exhaust ports are the same on them all and that pony tail from yesterday could have been just about anything.

 silverstu wrote:
I want to believe but over on Bolter and Chainsword they said the guy that leaked the roadmap got into trouble with GW as they traced the leaseback to him. Doubt he would be leaking stuff again.
Plus I imagine the artwork for the avatar he is talking about is the 2nd ed artwork by Mark Gibbons, didn't come out in 3rd.
But we shall see, I've dismissed other rumours before and been wrong.

FWIW, GW already redid the Avatar based on that artwork- It's what ultimately became the FW one. The original prototype is there on the CCM Wiki, although the base, which is clearly based on the 2nd ed piece never came with the FW model.

 Crafter91 wrote:
Imagine the heartbreak if these advent previews turned out to be new Drukhari... nothing to say they couldn't be Harlequins either - the exhaust ports are the same on them all and that pony tail from yesterday could have been just about anything.

Dark eldar already got their one and done release last year. They'll be lucky if they see new models by 2030.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
I want to believe but over on Bolter and Chainsword they said the guy that leaked the roadmap got into trouble with GW as they traced the leaseback to him. Doubt he would be leaking stuff again.
Plus I imagine the artwork for the avatar he is talking about is the 2nd ed artwork by Mark Gibbons, didn't come out in 3rd.
But we shall see, I've dismissed other rumours before and been wrong.

FWIW, GW already redid the Avatar based on that artwork- It's what ultimately became the FW one. The original prototype is there on the CCM Wiki, although the base, which is clearly based on the 2nd ed piece never came with the FW model.

Thats not the pose at all - I was talking about this image, which is likely given how they've used similar Gibbons artwork for models.

I'm quite aware of that, but you can clearly see it is inspired by said artwork by just directing your eyes at the base, like I pointed out.

 silverstu wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
I want to believe but over on Bolter and Chainsword they said the guy that leaked the roadmap got into trouble with GW as they traced the leaseback to him. Doubt he would be leaking stuff again.
Plus I imagine the artwork for the avatar he is talking about is the 2nd ed artwork by Mark Gibbons, didn't come out in 3rd.
But we shall see, I've dismissed other rumours before and been wrong.

FWIW, GW already redid the Avatar based on that artwork- It's what ultimately became the FW one. The original prototype is there on the CCM Wiki, although the base, which is clearly based on the 2nd ed piece never came with the FW model.

Thats not the pose at all - I was talking about this image, which is likely given how they've used similar Gibbons artwork for models.

The model is quite clearly based on that artwork, it's just flipped around.

As long as that sword is connected by, at most, the hand, and not the lower arm or the entire arm. I need to use it elsewhere...

 Grimtuff wrote:
I'm quite aware of that, but you can clearly see it is inspired by said artwork by just directing your eyes at the base, like I pointed out.

Apologies, I missed you emphasising the base, but my point was that they had remade Mephiston and Helbrecht pretty much exactly like the original Gibbons artwork and so they might do the same with the avatar- not just the base but that big pose etc. But yes the one which became the FW avatar [a lovely model] obviously took inspiration from that artwork.

With all the rumour engines and leaks I'm wondering if there might be an Army Box for Eldar in Jan and then a full release later. Valrak has gone from saying he has heard about certain models to now having seen them [Female Autarch, rangers, ranger bikes]. Might be a set?

Chikout wrote:
The only time he's been wrong about this sort of thing is when he thought the black Templar ancient conversion was a new model.

That wasn't V, that was original leaker. V is mediocre, makes errors 90% of the time, does 10 minute drawn out videos to cover a single line/leak, repeats stuff from wrong sources, yes, sometimes he stumbles on genuine info but it's so rare he literally is new BotLS. Rambling clickbait that offers very little of value. There are semi-reliable leak sources but he is not one of them.

 Irbis wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The only time he's been wrong about this sort of thing is when he thought the black Templar ancient conversion was a new model.

That wasn't V, that was original leaker. V is mediocre, makes errors 90% of the time, does 10 minute drawn out videos to cover a single line/leak, repeats stuff from wrong sources, yes, sometimes he stumbles on genuine info but it's so rare he literally is new BotLS. Rambling clickbait that offers very little of value. There are semi-reliable leak sources but he is not one of them.

Yeah he does click bait titles (like most Youtuber's) and he shares a lot of rumours that turn out to not be true, but I don't think I've heard him claim to have seen a model and it turn out to be false.

Yup. Valrak is an airhead and I can't fathom why people enjoy his "content", but he's also very clearly had a source for a while now, so it's worth paying attention to what he claims to have seen.

Dubious about most of these text-based rumours but still, the excitement is contagious - can't wait for 2022. I just hope GW hasn't half-assed this update.

Day3:

Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?

beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?

Yeah, Ossiarch vs Ogres in Age of Sigmar.

beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?

This would be an all new box set minus 1 model though, that hasn't happened that I know of. Weirdly if the forgefiend wasn't the existing kit I'd consider it more believable as being the new shadowspear.

beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?

Indomitus side of the marines, mostly on the necrons other than the scarrabs?

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Has there been a box before where one side had all new stuff?

Indomitus side of the marines, mostly on the necrons other than the scarrabs?

All of the necrons were new sculpts as well, but given it was an edition launch box it's to be expected. Like I said above, it's weirder that it's all new bar 1 model really.

Why ranger jetbikes of all the things?

 Olthannon wrote:
Why ranger jetbikes of all the things?

Because we already own dozens of regular jetbikes?

There are a ton of people who will buy new plastic Eldar, just because it’s plastic. I know after the first 2 bad experiences, I swore off finecast. And even if they released kits that I have in metal, I’d still grab them. But there are also people with established collections who will just pass on re-done units, as they already have 3+ units on the shelf. Adding new units to the mix will get money out of these folks.

I’d rather they did something like ranger jetbikes, which is something that I could see easily being in the lore, than inventing a new aspect squad that steps on the toes of one of the classics.

Plus unless they screw it up real bad, ranger jetbikes should look awesome.

I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.

But... and the rule of cool ?

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm going to dispute the claimed "two riders on a bike, with the backseat person having a sniper rifle" as looking awesome - that sounds like a ludicrous idea.

Practical? Probably not. Sniper rifles and high speed bikes generally don’t pair well together.

From a real world POV, they would probably use the bikes to cover ground, dismount and sneak up to their targets, survey/snipe, then head back to the bikes to zoom off. But from a 40k gameplay POV, you would end up with rangers who can fly with stupid high movement. If they end up happening, we’ll see what the rules look like.

I’d expect them to be similar to the harlequin skyweavers. Just less clown stuff and more camo cloaks.