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warpcrafter wrote:So, they just had to get rid of WON and EW for Tyranids. This has triggered by pessimism gene again. These are the things that in my mind made them a distinct army. Between that and tripling the cost of Carnifexes, it seems that the monkeys have been attacking the typewriters again. I just might go Space Wolves after all.

What happened to WoN for free on all Gaunts?

RustyKnight wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:So, they just had to get rid of WON and EW for Tyranids. This has triggered by pessimism gene again. These are the things that in my mind made them a distinct army. Between that and tripling the cost of Carnifexes, it seems that the monkeys have been attacking the typewriters again. I just might go Space Wolves after all.

What happened to WoN for free on all Gaunts?

According to everything that has not been debunked with authority, WON is now a thing of the past. Space Wolves are looking better all the time.

Somehow I fail to see why you'd make a Space Marine army simply because a bunch of completely unreliable internet rumours stopped pleasing you. What's so amazing about Space Wolves? Nearly everything in that Codex could've been put on two pages of Codex: Space Marines. Granted, my DIY Space Marines every now and then like use the Codex for the Grey Hunters and the Rune Priest, but please enlighten me what is so fantastic in these guys?

No, wait, I get it now. You give up on Tyranids untill some internet wiz kid discovers an army list that bulldozes all competition at tournaments, and then Tyranids are cool again, and then you've always loved Tyranids.

Therion wrote:Somehow I fail to see why you'd make a Space Marine army simply because a bunch of completely unreliable internet rumours stopped pleasing you. What's so amazing about Space Wolves? Nearly everything in that Codex could've been put on two pages of Codex: Space Marines. Granted, my DIY Space Marines every now and then like use the Codex for the Grey Hunters and the Rune Priest, but please enlighten me what is so fantastic in these guys?

No, wait, I get it now. You give up on Tyranids untill some internet wiz kid discovers an army list that bulldozes all competition at tournaments, and then Tyranids are cool again, and then you've always loved Tyranids.

Granted, I am sort of a flake, and that seems to annoy you. It has nothing to do with some killer internet list, because I am openly disdainful of the cult of internet list-building. I just want the army to have its own feel, and some relationship, however slight with the fluff. THAT is what killed my interest in the Tyranids. I am considering making a Space Wolves army because it actually feels like it is described in the fluff. Anyway, I am going to purchase the Tyranids Codex when it comes out, and read it thoroughly before commiting my tiny hobby budget, so PRBPRBPRBBBTTT!!!

Me?

I've always hated Tyranids.

The more I learn about these aliens, the more I come to understand what drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred.

I hate them because they're mean and gribbly.

i love them, i think they are awesome and i can't wait for the codex.

warpcrafter wrote:I never thought I would see the day. I can barely tell the difference between the level of knee-jerking and hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing between Dakka and Warseer. I'm tempted to just boycott the fething internet.

warpcrafter wrote:According to everything that has not been debunked with authority, WON is now a thing of the past. Space Wolves are looking better all the time.

wyomingfox wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:I never thought I would see the day. I can barely tell the difference between the level of knee-jerking and hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing between Dakka and Warseer. I'm tempted to just boycott the fething internet.

warpcrafter wrote:According to everything that has not been debunked with authority, WON is now a thing of the past. Space Wolves are looking better all the time.

I can see the reasons for the shooty fex to nearly double...113pts for what it could do was a wee bit "cheap".

It's still possible obviously for people to use the 3 dakkafexes. 3 of them in a brood is 36 shots rerolling misses. Sure that's overkill against a lot of stuff but then don't take 3 in a brood. Take 3 broods of 1 and don't take the Trygon or Mawloc.

As was mentioned earlier GW has taken the pendulum 1/2 a swing (or to some knee jerkist a full 720) to bring cc back into viability without obsoleting certain builds. Sure it might seem horrible to have to pay 600+ pts for 3 super shooty fexes but 339 for what amounted to the equivalent of 2 heavy bolter devastator squads for less than the cost with models who could shrug off many more times the firepower of said devastators was criminally cheap.

Obviously dakkafex is still viable, it's just no longer a no-brainer choice, nor do I think Trygons or Mawlocs or Terranofexes no-brainer choices either.

Alpharius wrote:Me?

I've always hated Tyranids.

The more I learn about these aliens, the more I come to understand what drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred.

hmmm. . .sounds familiar. . .

I'm a bit upset about some of these rumors, sure, but not JUST because I have to tear the arms off of my gunfexes to use them again. The main reason I'm upset is that we are so used to GW swinging the pendulum and outlawing everything people have been doing for years, because it was effective, that the community seems to not only expect but DESIRE this sort of blatant contempt for the game in the face of profit as justified.

I've always liked the Tyranids from the day I started but I certainly can't afford to go out and buy all these new kits and tear apart my old ones and then bitz-mash expensive monster kits together for one monster and a pile of extras to be able to enjoy the benefits of the new rulebook while everything I already have, and have poured my creative energy and hobbyist's passion into, either becomes illegal, nerfed, or incapable of the job I had taken it for in the first place. I'm not one to invoke the Warmachine card often, but at least you tend get a feeling of consistency with your models. A big smashy robot with an axe and a ton of armor will always be a big smashy robot with an axe and tons of armor. But a Carnifex or Hive Tyrant? It's a crapshoot on whether anything I do with it will even be faq'd correctly. I know this is the norm for GW but that certainly does not make it OK in any capacity unless there are gross game balance/design mistakes to be fixed that warrant an outlawing. Many of these changes are characterful additions that restore some of the functionality that we've missed in the past, such as the bio-plasma blast from the carnifex. However, for every bio-plasma blast there is a lost characterful rule here, a pointless shifting of weapon stats there, the complete omission of rules that were always particular to Tyranids there except for 2 models out of the whole book, etc.

I keep seeing 'metagame' thrown around. Exactly what is 'The Metagame'?

The metagame refers to the optimal army composition choice based on what the majority ofother people play. If the majority of the people play mech, then it is sensible to bring a lot of anti tank weapons. Statements like "the metagame has changed such that melta is better than plasma" mean that people take a lot more mech and that it is better to have melta in your army over plasma. It is just an example I wont go into the melta v plasma debate.

So why do they keep closing the Warseer rumor threads, while this one is approaching page 42? I want more info that I can't find here, but warseer (the supposed source of many of the rumors and leaks) is in lockdown.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So why do they keep closing the Warseer rumor threads, while this one is approaching page 42? I want more info that I can't find here, but warseer (the supposed source of many of the rumors and leaks) is in lockdown.

Try here - http://forum.warpshadow.com/viewtopic.php?t=12625&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Just read the summary.

I think that Warseer keeps closing their rumor threads because they don't want to get in trouble for posting actual information, instead of just rumors. They quickly delete any posts with points values or large quotes from the Codex. Why, I don't know. They're kinda funny over there.

Thanks, but it still doesn't have the info I am looking for. I heard ravenors are going to be like lictors and deploy in groups of 1-3, but I wanted to confirm it. Also, I wanted to see what kind of unit sizes that Warriors get. I also was looking for some sort of artwork or ideas as to what I need to do to make a warrior an Alpha.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Thanks, but it still doesn't have the info I am looking for. I heard ravenors are going to be like lictors and deploy in groups of 1-3, but I wanted to confirm it. Also, I wanted to see what kind of unit sizes that Warriors get. I also was looking for some sort of artwork or ideas as to what I need to do to make a warrior an Alpha.

Just make an armless warrior and have green stuff handy thats what i'm doing, for other models too.

apwill4765 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Me?

I've always hated Tyranids.

The more I learn about these aliens, the more I come to understand what drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred.

hmmm. . .sounds familiar. . .

Yes...

Still, how ironic it is that as fast as we spread progress and hope throughout the galaxy, the Tyranids spread death and despair. Only united can we hope to stand against them.

We must scour them from the stars before they do the same to us.

The blasphemy of the Tyranids is such that only one solution is acceptable. Extermination.

I probably shouldn't, but why haven't the space marines made Mortein guns? It would work like a charm.

You were right...you shouldn't.

And for a potential solution for FoxPhoenix135 for the alpha warrior variant...It's unlikely GW will ever make an actual model. Convert a regular warrior with whatever you feel appropriate. Of course you should probably wait a few more weeks if you wanna stick to official artwork, though for me I'm just gonna make it painfully obvious which one is "special" by adding a load of spikey stuff all over the carapace.

Alpharius wrote:Me?

I've always hated Tyranids.

The more I learn about these aliens, the more I come to understand what drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred.

Funny.... exact same reasons why I love them....

What can man do against such reckless hate?

Alpharius wrote:Me?

I've always hated Tyranids.

The more I learn about these aliens, the more I come to understand what drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred.

Hivemind wrote:Eat Him

Lukus83 wrote:You were right...you shouldn't.

And for a potential solution for FoxPhoenix135 for the alpha warrior variant...It's unlikely GW will ever make an actual model. Convert a regular warrior with whatever you feel appropriate. Of course you should probably wait a few more weeks if you wanna stick to official artwork, though for me I'm just gonna make it painfully obvious which one is "special" by adding a load of spikey stuff all over the carapace.

Or ask your Ol'Buddies at Chapterhousestudios.com to make a awesome and affordable conversion kit

Navarro is chomping at the bit to get started on BuG special character kits and a Spore Droppod.

Nick
Chapterhousestudios.com

so do warriors get to (ab)use the multiple wound allocation rules like nob bikers?

Chapterhouse wrote:Or ask your Ol'Buddies at Chapterhousestudios.com to make a awesome and affordable conversion kit

Navarro is chomping at the bit to get started on BuG special character kits and a Spore Droppod.

Nick
Chapterhousestudios.com

I am thinking that their will be some demand for lash whips (left and right) and bone swords (left and right) that some company might be able to capitalize on.

Warseer keeps getting locked down because the last rumor thread turned into 5 pages of mathhammer and 'Nids suck (neither of which pertain to actual rumors, it's why 'Seer also has an OT forum and 40k discussion forum) and then someone who had seen the codex had started posting individual points costs for stuff.

Which of course as we all know will result in C&D from GW legal (and they have a right too, look what happened with C:IG). The mods aren't as tolerant of IP breaches over on Warseer as they are here I think (that and being 'Seer is the source of 90% of rumors first those with connections don't want to face a lawsuit and/or other legal matters with GW (some of the rumor moles have NDA's they have to abide be, as selfish as some of you might make that out to be)).

It annoys me too not knowing a little more. I don't want exact points costs for everything but knowing if I can equip my bugs a certain way and be legal would be nice.

So until whiners stop and points costs stop getting posted on 'Seer the 'Nid rumor threads will never reopen.

Ok folks, I had another look at the printed out thing.

I looked at point costs, even gun-point costs even though I have no experience with them (makes it harder to memorize).

Tyrant is 170 points (280 for the big mofo)

Zoanthropes are indeed 60 points with synapse, warpfield (3++) and warp lighning (24" S5 AP3 blast or 18 "S10 AP1 assault 1, lance) and shadow of the warp.
1-3 in an elite brood, spore possible.

Yrmgal stealers are 23 points.

Stealers are 14 points. Can have scything talons (2 points iirc), furious charge and poison. Biggy is 46 points.

Warriors are 30 points, 3-9 in a brood (as Raveners) One can have a big gun (venom and strangler?) for 15 points for the small venomcannon and 10 for the other one. The rest have to have the same loadout, so no nob bikers.
Can have boneswords or one bonesword and lashwhip.
Poison and furious charge costs 5 points each.

Gaunts are 5 points. Hormas 6. Toxin and adrenal costs 1 for gaunts and 2 for hormas. Gives 4+ poison (for melee only!!) and furious charge respectively.
WoN is gone!

Rippers are a tenner.

Tervigon can indeed be troop per gaunt swarm.

Lictor CANNOT assault or move after appearing (within 1" without scatter, without terrain) but can shoot or run. The flesh hook is 12" S6 AP- Assault 2 rending! 65 points for one. 1-3 in a brood.

Carnifex is 160. Bio blasma is NOT given (short range plasma cannon)! Can buy it for 20 points. Big venomcannon is 25 points, Strangler I think is 20 points. Can only take one big-one. Has scything talon set as standard, can change each for a small gun! So you carnifexes are not invalid. Cost 10-15 points each, though!

Flying rippers and Warriors are +5 points more.

Gargoyles are 6 points.

Didn't look up the Alpha Warrior, sorry!

That's for now, won't see it until new year. So have fun with it!

Greets
Schepp himself


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Fateweaver wrote:Warseer keeps getting locked down because the last rumor thread turned into 5 pages of mathhammer and 'Nids suck (neither of which pertain to actual rumors, it's why 'Seer also has an OT forum and 40k discussion forum) and then someone who had seen the codex had started posting individual points costs for stuff.

Which of course as we all know will result in C&D from GW legal (and they have a right too, look what happened with C:IG). The mods aren't as tolerant of IP breaches over on Warseer as they are here I think (that and being 'Seer is the source of 90% of rumors first those with connections don't want to face a lawsuit and/or other legal matters with GW (some of the rumor moles have NDA's they have to abide be, as selfish as some of you might make that out to be)).

It annoys me too not knowing a little more. I don't want exact points costs for everything but knowing if I can equip my bugs a certain way and be legal would be nice.

So until whiners stop and points costs stop getting posted on 'Seer the 'Nid rumor threads will never reopen.

Ups. Delete stuff that is too much please.

Greets
Schepp himself