Necron rumor & pics summary in 1st post (now with 2nd wave pics!)

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**Sir Harry Flashman, VC**

Shame there is no Flayed Lord to turn them into a troops choice, ditto for a named Destroyer Lord. The last two codexes have contained characters of this ilk. GK terminators as troops and Grotesques for the DE.

I'm sure I'll get over it though, especially having what is basically 'Subvert machine' from Apoc (just missing the D3 glancing hits afterwards

)

**tetrisphreak**

Kroothawk/Yakface, or anyone else who's seen the codex (or even the playtest codex):

I had a question that i kept forgetting to ask before - the new WBB (Resurrection, is it called now?) works on ALL units in the book, not just certain ones, correct? Now my query is this - Do multi-wound models return at full strength, or not? If not, how many wounds do they return with, just one?

Also a rez orb will affect the unit that the lord carrying it is in, does it still have the 6" radius from the lord himself (much akin to sanguinary priests) for friendly units, too?

Thanks, if you can get those answers in, i appreciate it.

**angelshade00**

Praxiss wrote:I dont think they have. What you state above is basically what they have done. The Lords and ICs have personalities while the warriors, immortals etc are still basically mindless automatons.
From what i understand, the higher up the necron "tree" you go, the more intelligent the units gets. I'm guessing it goes something like:

Lords/ICs - full personalities/goals etc

Praetorians/Triarchs - moderate personality but ties into a specific mission

Wraiths - able to make individual decisions but ultimately deferring the next unit up the tree

Immortals/Death Strike/Tomb Spyders - Respond to stimulei in a pre-programmed fashion, barring overridign orders from higher up

Warriors/Scarabs - no personality, mindless and basically following whatever goal or target set t them until the get new instructions

Again, total guesswork.....

If that is the case there is a question that may very well mess up the entire new fluff (if it actually turns out the way we've read so far).
The simple Necrons, or actually anything below the Praetorian/Triarch level, do they still have any vestiges left of their original personalities (possibly in a totally suppressed state) or are they just the automatons that they are? If the latter is the case, then the fluff part of the Necrons trying to find a "host" to transfer their minds and personalities into will be a little lost since that would only be reserved for the higher ups... not that this would not be possible. Just some more speculation on the fluff.

**Dr. Delorean**

I also have a question for the almighty Yakface, are the Necron Transports (Ghost Arks) open topped, or nay? It doesn't say they are in your summary, but everyone over on Warseer seems to think so. Thank ye kindly!

**iproxtaco**

Harriticus wrote:
Praxiss wrote:Despite the new fluff, as posted above, there is no reason you can't play your army as s silent group of ghostly killers.

Fluff-wise just avoi takign any of the ICs (which has their own distinct personalities apparently) and go with a vanilla OverLord and his silent, shambling horde of doom. This coudl be especially possibel now that warriors area lot cheaper, you might be able to field a moderate horde army of warriors.

It just makes the Necrons a localized threat now though. They used to be on the level of the Tyranids, as there was an all-prevalent Necron threat bent on galactic genocide. Now, it's just 1 Tomb World attacking blah blah Sector. Similar to the Tau.

Giving the Necrons fixed boundries and civilizations was also pretty stupid. They should have just appeared, slaughtered all, then vanished. I imagine Necron cities with Necron shops now manned by Necron shopkeepers selling whatever they trade with the Imperium to other Necron daddies on their way home from a hard days work at the Necron shoe factory.

GW could have given Necron Lords more personality and even introduced other C'Tan for more personality if you wanted less faceless Necrons. Didn't have to completely destroy everything they once were. They really shouldn't even be machines anymore, it holds no purpose. Just make it so the Necrontyr got their skin back.

GW haven't destroyed everything they once were, they've changed and enhanced the Necrons. I'm not deciding about whether I'l' buy them yet, but I REALLY like what has changed. All that has changed is the motive. Before, I didn't think they had a compelling motive, but now they do. They're different from Chaos or the Tyranids, both just want to destroy and consume, the Necrons want to rule, and create. Like the Tau, but less boring or stupid. The best thing is though, the changes allow people to do whatever they want. You can play an enigmatic ruler that wants to help other races, a despotic tyrant that's only out to destroy, or you can play the old Necrons exactly like they were before.

**yakface**

Dr. Delorean wrote:I also have a question for the almighty Yakface, are the Necron Transports (Ghost Arks) open topped, or nay? It doesn't say they are in your summary, but everyone over on Warseer seems to think so. Thank ye kindly!

Check the bottom of this post (it may have slipped through getting added to the front page summary):

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1020/403994.page#3458347

Edit: actually I guess that doesn't answer your question. Yes, Ghost Arks are open-topped.

**Lt. Coldfire**

I'm loving that lord who can control enemy vehicles. That'll teach my opponent to take a Baneblade! Mwahahaha.

**lazarian**

iproxtaco wrote:

Harriticus wrote:
Praxiss wrote:Despite the new fluff, as posted above, there is no reason you can't play your army as s silent group of ghostly killers.

Fluff-wise just avoi takign any of the ICs (which has their own distinct personalities apparently) and go with a vanilla OverLord and his silent, shambling horde of doom. This coudl be especially possibel now that warriors area lot cheaper, you might be able to field a moderate horde army of warriors.

It just makes the Necrons a localized threat now though. They used to be on the level of the Tyranids, as there was an all-prevalent Necron threat bent on galactic genocide. Now, it's just 1 Tomb World attacking blah blah Sector. Similar to the Tau.

Giving the Necrons fixed boundries and civilizations was also pretty stupid. They should have just appeared, slaughtered all, then vanished. I imagine Necron cities with Necron shops now manned by Necron shopkeepers selling whatever they trade with the Imperium to other Necron daddies on their way home from a hard days work at the Necron shoe factory.

GW could have given Necron Lords more personality and even introduced other C'Tan for more personality if you wanted less faceless Necrons. Didn't have to completely destroy everything they once were. They really shouldn't even be machines anymore, it holds no purpose. Just make it so the Necrontyr got their skin back.

GW haven't destroyed everything they once were, they've changed and enhanced the Necrons. I'm not deciding about whether I'l' buy them yet, but I REALLY like what has changed. All that has changed is the motive. Before, I didn't think they had a compelling motive, but now they do. They're different from Chaos or the Tyranids, both just want to destroy and consume, the Necrons want to rule, and create. Like the Tau, but less boring or stupid. The best thing is though, the changes allow people to do whatever they want. You can play an enigmatic ruler that wants to help other races, a despotic tyrant that's only out to destroy, or you can play the old Necrons exactly like they were before.

Ill second this and say that blanket super evils that cant be stopped are very, very boring. If there is no nuance or subtlety then its very meaningless. The new Tyranid book added a dimension of this and the direction of this fluff certain helps. There is actually character where stupid wallpaper existed before hand.

**JGrand**

I haven't see it posted but what are the Immortals armed with? Is it still a superior gun to normal Warriors or has it been toned down?

**CthuluIsSpy**

JGrand wrote:I haven't see it posted but what are the Immortals armed with? Is it still a superior gun to normal Warriors or has it been toned down?

Supposedly it's still S5 AP4, but now its rapid fire.

**lazarian**

JGrand wrote:I haven't see it posted but what are the Immortals armed with? Is it still a superior gun to normal Warriors or has it been toned down?

I believe you have the choice of a 24" tesla str 5 ap 5 assault 1 gun or a 24" rapid fire str 5 gun

**tetrisphreak**

lazarian wrote:
JGrand wrote:I haven't see it posted but what are the Immortals armed with? Is it still a superior gun to normal Warriors or has it been toned down?

I believe you have the choice of a 24" tesla str 5 ap 5 assault 1 gun or a 24" rapid fire str 5 gun

Tesla is s5 ap- so good vs hordes, with the tesla rule. Gauss will be rapid fire s5 ap4 so when getting close, has a guaranteed double fire rate and an ap value to ignore most armor other than MEQ. So they're different but tactically sound choices

**angelshade00**

lazarian wrote:
JGrand wrote:I haven't see it posted but what are the Immortals armed with? Is it still a superior gun to normal Warriors or has it been toned down?

I believe you have the choice of a 24" tesla str 5 ap 5 assault 1 gun or a 24" rapid fire str 5 gun

If I am not mistaken, Tesla weapons have no armor piercing but generate extra wounds on a 6+. (1 or 2 wounds, uncertain still)

**Breotan**

yakface wrote:No, that's total in the whole army.

Real pg 1 please...Destroyers are 0-3 in a unit now (so a max of 9 if you take 3 units of them).

Well, that's at least one unit I don't need to buy any more of then.

**angelshade00**

Breotan wrote:Well, that's at least one unit I don't need to buy any more of then.

I just noticed your sig.
Remember remember the 5th of November, the day Necrons awoke...

**tetrisphreak**

I wonder if preferred enemy grants re-rolls to hit with shooting AND close combat attacks in 6th ed...seeing as how all rumors say that since 'nids the 5th ed codices have been written with 6th ed in mind. The content of flyers in each book, along with some wonky points costs on certain units, could also lend credence to the rumor.

Otherwise it doesn't make sense for a 1-3 shooting focused unit to have a cc buff, really.

edit - Off topic, i know, but imagine tyranids with twin-linked impaler cannons and rupture cannons (thanks to the hive tyrant's 'old adversary' special rule). Genius!

**Lt. Coldfire**

angelshade00 wrote:
Breotan wrote:Well, that's at least one unit I don't need to buy any more of then.

I just noticed your sig.
Remember remember the 5th of November, the day Necrons awoke...

Awesome. I love V for Vendetta and Necrons. Win-win. Win.

**Conrad Turner**

Lt. Coldfire wrote:
Awesome. I love V for Vendetta and Necrons. Win-win. Win.

The film, or the original strip as published in "Warrior" magazine? PST so as not to derail the hread further.

**Kroothawk**

yakface wrote:Check the bottom of this post (it may have slipped through getting added to the front page summary):

It hasn't. I just edited several of your posts into one quote.

**Death By Monkeys**

So, Yak, out of curiosity, other than the Triarch Stalker, does anything else have these fancy heat rays?

**tetrisphreak**

I just picture the Death Ray from the Doom Scythe doing what railguns should already be doing - Draw a line, every vehicle in that line...dies horribly. Bwahhaha.

**CthuluIsSpy**

tetrisphreak wrote:I just picture the Death Ray from the Doom Scythe doing what railguns should already be doing - Draw a line, every vehicle in that line...dies horribly. Bwahhaha.

Take that, mech spam!
No seriously, it is pretty nasty against mech armies if you position the flyer right. It may sound nastier against infantry...but I'm pretty sure they'll get cover.

**Bulkoth**

I could see a pretty effective list being something like 3-5 night scythes with 2-3 doom scythes, it might be expensive but using the cheaper flyers to pop transports and do some wounds while giving the doom scythes "cover" by shielding them and controlling lanes of fire and then second turn unleashing 3x that crazy beam weapon. Maybe toss in the storm lord for some added awfulness and protection. Not sure the points costs we'd be talking about for a list like that but from Yak's info I can see the flyer kit being VERY popular.

Are there any firing points on the flyers Yak?

**Nandred**

If this has been covered already in the 40+ pages i apologize....

What is this 'mother of all deaths' thing that i keep reading about with the lyche guard/praetorian? Is it an initiative/ strength test or die scenario?

**Delta Echo**

Add me to the pile of new forum members this thread has created. Long time lurker, but finally a member!
Thanks Yakface for all the information so far, and to Kroothawk for organizing it!

Nandred wrote:If this has been covered already in the 40+ pages i apologize....

What is this 'mother of all deaths' thing that i keep reading about with the lyche guard/praetorian? Is it an initiative/ strength test or die scenario?

So far the only place I have seen this mentioned is Heinrich Kemmler's rumors which are on the first page of this thread. I could be mistaken but I'm guessing that this just refers to power weapons and that something was lost in the Polish/French/English translations... Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

**masterofstuff1**

Sorry is this has been posted before...but its cool

http://i55.tinypic.com/zjtsms.jpg

i like it

**Death By Monkeys**

Wow, I had not seen that before. Hope it's the new cover.

**Flashman**

What are we talking about here...

Edit - Yep, I could buy that as the codex cover

**Kurgash**

Wow, one of the best codex covers they've done IF it is the real deal.

**masterofstuff1**

Flashman wrote:What are we talking about here...

Edit - Yep, I could buy that as the codex cover

That is very nice, looks great. i do see the glowy green gauss energy though. maybe its not gone