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Did anyone think that, a year ago, when asked how the new GK's would deal with tanks, the answer would be "Space Monkeys with 60" range Rending Lascannons!".

Oh God what is happening to 40K...

No major comment on the Dreadknight. With the exception of the baby bjorn on the front, I think the design is actually solid. If the pilot was inside, I'd probably really like the kit. The details are quite good. But as an exo-skeleton mech, it looks weird with a fat terminator hanging on the front.

I looked at a set of completed Terminators today, and I really, really like the kit. The posing could be better, but the wealth of options are good. I love the helmets and the two bare heads.

Speaking of...are there any good pics of both sides of the TAGK sprues anywhere? I know GW has their images, but only one side.

As for the army...GK just don't feel right as a full-fledged army. As a single unit of Terminators, they make sense. So I'll build that.

So...everyone is hating on a Str. 7 Heavy 4 Rending gun that can be taken 2 at a time....in a 5 man, 2 wound Terminator unit....and it costs less than an Auto-Cannon? Hmm.

300ish points will allow you to put out 8 Str. 7 Rending shots a turn (I'm ignoring the other storm bolter shots). Take Super Man and they're troops. Take 4 squads of them----that's 32 Str. 7 Rending shots a turn....spread over 20 models with 2+ saves and 2 wounds each...all scoring.....for 1200-1300ish points. Sounds like fun to me.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Did anyone think that, a year ago, when asked how the new GK's would deal with tanks, the answer would be "Space Monkeys with 60" range Rending Lascannons!".

Oh God what is happening to 40K...

Well, I certainly did not believe it would spawn a 40+ page (ok first 12 were assumption) thread that could be summarised by photoshops... while those with rules queries were ignored or could have simply read a copy of the Codex, as its out already.

I tried getting a whole lotta drunk but those models are still ugly. Big heads just don't work, and the Joker is just ridiculous.

Sorry, hadda get it out. Killed any chances of collecting GK, tough buying a box of PAGK to make a librarian is still an option.

I believe that the psycannons push a squad of paladins about 50-60 pts higher than you're thinking, which would put four squads and super man over the 1500 pt range. Also, if you're thinking of the super man I am, he can only make d3 units scoring, and not make them troop choices. But a regular GM also has that special rule.

For those who do not like the JOKE-aero:


By Reaper...

spyguyyoda wrote:I believe that the psycannons push a squad of paladins about 50-60 pts higher than you're thinking, which would put four squads and super man over the 1500 pt range. Also, if you're thinking of the super man I am, he can only make d3 units scoring, and not make them troop choices. But a regular GM also has that special rule.

I forgot Super Man's cost! So 1400-1500 pts for that army.

Super Man makes Paladins Troop choices----so you use Grand Strategy to make a couple of DreadKnights w/ Teleporters scouting to finish off your 2k (with change I think).

AgeOfEgos wrote:So...everyone is hating on a Str. 7 Heavy 4 Rending gun that can be taken 2 at a time....in a 5 man, 2 wound Terminator unit....and it costs less than an Auto-Cannon? Hmm.

300ish points will allow you to put out 8 Str. 7 Rending shots a turn (I'm ignoring the other storm bolter shots). Take Super Man and they're troops. Take 4 squads of them----that's 32 Str. 7 Rending shots a turn....spread over 20 models with 2+ saves and 2 wounds each...all scoring.....for 1200-1300ish points. Sounds like fun to me.

Because these aren't autocannons, they only fire 24 inches.

Your paladin example (going on leaked pdf points that apparently havent changed): is a bit over 300 for 5 guys, with 2 psycannons.

4 Squads is 1300 points. The guy that unlocks this is plenty, you're now just shy of 1600 points. (Keeping individual points out of this)

You have 26 models, including 8 of these 24 inch guns. That's your only anti tank. And you're on foot. And you're T4 and get instakilled. And you just have a basic 5++, only upgraded in combat. You die horribly to hammer terminators who are a commonly field unit, you die horribly to lascannons and meltas as well, neither of which are uncommon.

I'll take space monkey before I take paladin spam.

jokero suck

t3 with no save.........bs3? they are the epitome of awesome for 35 points

AgeOfEgos wrote:

spyguyyoda wrote:I believe that the psycannons push a squad of paladins about 50-60 pts higher than you're thinking, which would put four squads and super man over the 1500 pt range. Also, if you're thinking of the super man I am, he can only make d3 units scoring, and not make them troop choices. But a regular GM also has that special rule.

I forgot Super Man's cost! So 1400-1500 pts for that army.

Super Man makes Paladins Troop choices----so you use Grand Strategy to make a couple of DreadKnights w/ Teleporters scouting to finish off your 2k (with change I think).

2 of the scouting DK's leaves you with 10-15 points change at 2000, yep.

targetawg wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:So...everyone is hating on a Str. 7 Heavy 4 Rending gun that can be taken 2 at a time....in a 5 man, 2 wound Terminator unit....and it costs less than an Auto-Cannon? Hmm.

300ish points will allow you to put out 8 Str. 7 Rending shots a turn (I'm ignoring the other storm bolter shots). Take Super Man and they're troops. Take 4 squads of them----that's 32 Str. 7 Rending shots a turn....spread over 20 models with 2+ saves and 2 wounds each...all scoring.....for 1200-1300ish points. Sounds like fun to me.

Because these aren't autocannons, they only fire 24 inches.

Your paladin example (going on leaked pdf points that apparently havent changed): is a bit over 300 for 5 guys, with 2 psycannons.

4 Squads is 1300 points. The guy that unlocks this is plenty, you're now just shy of 1600 points. (Keeping individual points out of this)

You have 26 models, including 8 of these 24 inch guns. That's your only anti tank. And you're on foot. And you're T4 and get instakilled. And you just have a basic 5++, only upgraded in combat. You die horribly to hammer terminators who are a commonly field unit, you die horribly to lascannons and meltas as well, neither of which are uncommon.

I'll take space monkey before I take paladin spam.

Well, I agree that Razorspam (If it's possible depending on how they view wording) is more competitive. I don't quite agree with the fragility of those 26 models though----they all have 2 wounds each and I find ML to more common than Las cannons (outside of Vendetta spam). Melta would be a concern----but as I stated initially-----it sounds like fun~

Is GK seriously looking like another Razorspam army?

Gornall wrote:Is GK seriously looking like another Razorspam army?

But with monkeys inside!

Could someone please confirm or deny this claim from Bolter and Chainsword:

Justcar wrote:The topic seems to be dormant, so i'll (against my better judgement) through in a tidbit that you should all hate!

In the new Dex

GKs kill sisters of battle to use their innocent blood to make a talisman that would protect them from the bloodtide.

Let the screaming begin!

^^^I...I literally don't know what to say to that.

Gornall wrote:So... how do GKs deal with mech beyond 24"? Just trudge their low-model count army through a hail of gunfire?

Dreadnoughts with 2xTL Autocannons and Psybolt ammunition aka Heavy Psycannons (not the Psy-launcher or whatever the DK has); 4 S8 shots at BS4 with rerolls on a mobile firing platform.

JGrand wrote:In all seriousness, I found this linked image. Can anyone confirm if this is the Jokearo?



Finally, anyone who has seen the codex care to share some wargear or differences from the pdf? I don't mean to be a jerk and divert the conversation from bashing the Dread Knight with the same four jokes over and over again...

SIgh...

Very bad.

I'll be making tech priest jawas out of skaven plague monks.

And I'll replace the silly terminator on the DK with... A HUGE SKULL!

Because everything is better with skulls.

Gornall wrote:Is GK seriously looking like another Razorspam army?

Greyzorspam

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

JGrand wrote:In all seriousness, I found this linked image. Can anyone confirm if this is the Jokearo?



Finally, anyone who has seen the codex care to share some wargear or differences from the pdf? I don't mean to be a jerk and divert the conversation from bashing the Dread Knight with the same four jokes over and over again...

SIgh...

Very bad.

I'll be making tech priest jawas out of skaven plague monks.

And I'll replace the silly terminator on the DK with... A HUGE SKULL!

Because everything is better with skulls.

KK where have you been? You always add your own flavour of comedy to these threads.

AlexHolker wrote:Could someone please confirm or deny this claim from Bolter and Chainsword:

Justcar wrote:The topic seems to be dormant, so i'll (against my better judgement) through in a tidbit that you should all hate!

In the new Dex

GKs kill sisters of battle to use their innocent blood to make a talisman that would protect them from the bloodtide.

Let the screaming begin!

Got a page number?

AvatarForm wrote:

KK where have you been? You always add your own flavour of comedy to these threads.

I'm really irked by this codex, DH were my favorite army and well now... Half my units are unusable and to replace them we got Superion, the Chibihawk and some dude who carves his name in Daemon Primarch hearts.

I'm just... irked. Irked and already bored with this codex.

AvatarForm wrote:Got a page number?

No, I don't. I don't even know if the passage exists.

Should just save us time and simply release Codex: Razorbacks

Then we wouldnt have to go through this everytime a marine codex is released

Kirasu wrote:Should just save us time and simply release Codex: Razorbacks

Then we wouldnt have to go through this everytime a marine codex is released

CODEX: RAZORBACKS

Kirasu wrote:Should just save us time and simply release Codex: Razorbacks

Then we wouldnt have to go through this everytime a marine codex is released

I lol'd with a whimper. Because it's true.


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puma713 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Should just save us time and simply release Codex: Razorbacks

Then we wouldnt have to go through this everytime a marine codex is released

CODEX: RAZORBACKS

I like it better than the dreadknight.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I'm just... irked. Irked and already bored with this codex.

Careful! Someone's gonna label a hater and then you won't be able to discuss this at all!

On one hand, I'm in love with Paladins, they're everything I want out of a Grey Knight unit. I like the customizeability of the retinue squads, and the Inquisitors look like fun little characters.

On the other, everything else is kind of... I'd rather not talk about it.

While I am not a fan of the fluff change (Draigo "I am a monster truck who walks like a man!") I do however see some fun possiblities with the codex mechanics. I prefer the options given by the NFW over the old edition which was simply +2 strength because this means I can now charge a unit and be Initiative 6 and through cover now. Sure against Orks it doesn't [i]really[/]i matter against a 6+ armour save, and you are losing out on an attack with the death of True Grit, but should you get the charge, you will decimate their ranks (even before psychic powers).

Not such a big fan of the Nemesis Force Falchions, just because they look so awkwardly positioned, but seem like an interesting option nonetheless (as Nemesis Force Swords grant no tangible benefit over the halberd or falchions).

I'm not falling head over heels for this codex, mainly because of the sheer stupidity in regards to fluff (jokaero I'm not too fussed about, their fluff to me makes some deal of sense, though how they managed to tame/keep them on the battlefield when they so loathe prolonged captivity is a question that pops to mind every time). However, I am not dismissing it at first glance, while I was disappointed to see no Storm Shields, I find the options refreshing compared to my old pure GK list.

The swords give +1 to invuln saves in cc. This means terminators go to 4+, and PAGK get nothing. This is why there is a cost to upgrade from them for PAGK, and not for TAGK.

Falchions seem pretty good. I wonder if they grant a bonus attack for 2 weapons?

I'm seeing falchions as a near-mandatory upgrade for Strike Squads to help out with their number of attacks, or maybe Halberds when sitting on an objective to discourage an assault. Interceptor squads look like top-shelf jump infantry harassment squads who are outdone only by Warp Spiders in terms of sheer maneuverability, but that shunt power will probably make the difference in a lot of games, especially if a Grandmaster makes them scoring.

There's a lot of stuff about this book I don't like, but it's not as bad as with Blood Angels (making the Death Company kit full of bits $33 bucks sucked, at least with PAGK the models are actually useful AND expensive points-wise); there's some honestly fun options here.

SweetLou wrote:jokero suck

t3 with no save.........bs3? they are the epitome of awesome for 35 points

They have a 5+ invul, can upgrade all the squads weapons, can give the entire squad an invul....