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Considering the fluff for the Ceramite plating says that the plating is used to prevent burn-up in atmospheric entry, it makes sense.

Mad4Minis wrote:Well, except for helicopter pilots, who are trained for that sort of thing...

Have you ever seen a helicopter pilot fly around only two feet off of the ground?

There's a reason why not.

azazel the cat wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Well, except for helicopter pilots, who are trained for that sort of thing...

Have you ever seen a helicopter pilot fly around only two feet off of the ground?

There's a reason why not.

then try doing it in a more or less enclosed hangar, turbulence and all. not something you want to do routinely (tho probably possible if slightly suicidal, haha)

azazel the cat wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Well, except for helicopter pilots, who are trained for that sort of thing...

Have you ever seen a helicopter pilot fly around only two feet off of the ground?

You mean aside from James Bond movies?

ThomasPolder wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Well, except for helicopter pilots, who are trained for that sort of thing...

Have you ever seen a helicopter pilot fly around only two feet off of the ground?

There's a reason why not.

then try doing it in a more or less enclosed hangar, turbulence and all. not something you want to do routinely (tho probably possible if slightly suicidal, haha)

Someone has yet to watch all the top helicopter movies . Suicidal? Just really crazy. And crazy expensive if you blow over the local inq stormraven.

For the record, I have seen a Huey, (uh-1) cruise along a old road bed through the woods at about jogging speed. The ski's were maybe 1-1.5 meters off the ground. The pilot had about 2.5 meters Clearance total between the trees and the main rotor. I also knew a pilot nicknamed "chainsaw" who backed the prototype Blackhawk (uttas it was) into some trees. I wouldn't call it trained, just ah.....pushing the envelope.

...which have always been known for exceptional realism?

no really, ground effect and turbulence together make it hard enough to hover a helo low over the ground, when you go do that in confined quarters it's hell.

sure, air ambulance helicopters manage, sort of, with a LOT of training and being generally careful in choosing where to land but those things are pretty much picked for being good at that particular thing (not every helicopter is) and it's still dangerous.

actually flying it into and out of the hangar is a bad idea.
again, it can be done. flying a jet under a bridge, inverted, at mach 2 can be done too. is it a smart thing to do? no. is it safe? hell no. is it something we view as falling within the general parameters of use of that piece of equipment? hell no.

In ground effect hovering is much easier than out of ground effect. Flying at speed in a helicopter is much easier at altitude than close to the ground. Even at 10-20 ft above the trees is crazy when you are doing 120 knots.

again, it can be done. flying a jet under a bridge, inverted, at mach 2 can be done too. is it a smart thing to do? no. is it safe? hell no. is it something we view as falling within the general parameters of use of that piece of equipment? hell no.

Excellent. Now if you also remind everyone why you're discussing such maneouvres in the real world everyone will be happy.

azazel the cat wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Well, except for helicopter pilots, who are trained for that sort of thing...

Have you ever seen a helicopter pilot fly around only two feet off of the ground?

There's a reason why not.

Actually at a large fly-in event called Sun-N-Fun (FL, USA) I saw a small helicopter hovering in a in a taxi line of aircraft heading to parking...though Id give it 7-8 feet off the ground not 2. Of course being a former airport employee and having a step-father and step-brother who are pilots Ive seen more than the average person in regards to aviation.

Hey, have you guys heard of the new flyers coming out? After two pages of daring aerobatics in the real world discussion, I wasn't sure.

Anyway, I'm putting ski's on my stormtalon. Which will not burn up in reentry, cause marauders and thunderbolts and even ork fighters all are space craft too, or used to be in some of the stories. Stories is all the 40k physics I need

Space Ghost wrote:In ground effect hovering is much easier than out of ground effect. Flying at speed in a helicopter is much easier at altitude than close to the ground. Even at 10-20 ft above the trees is crazy when you are doing 120 knots.

keeping altitude yes, keeping exact position and zero airspeed not so much. oh yes of course, over a flat featureless field its going to be *just* the ground effect which is good, not the turbulence, which is bad. I see a wee bit of difference between flat field and enclosed hangar space.

oh well. warboss might have a point now. sorry all ^^

warboss wrote:Hey, have you guys heard of the new flyers coming out? After two pages of daring aerobatics in the real world discussion, I wasn't sure.

What? Real world discussions pulling us of topic, not here man! I am however going to model some dents in the wings and underside of my Blitza bomber, maybe some Tau sensor antenna stick in the wing or something. Somewhere I have a picture of "lefty" Gardner's P-38 wing tip with tumble weed stuck in it from a crazy run at the Reno air race. Go low or go home!

ThomasPolder wrote:...which have always been known for exceptional realism?

About as much so as 40K...


The whole 'hovering a helicopter' discussion is kind of off the point anyway. The vehicles in question aren't helicoptors. Just how difficult it is to hover a jet-powered skimmer built 40000 years from now that may or may not also have some form of anti-grav technology and has an undefined level of computer assistance for the pilot... and which, if that proves too difficult can just be picked up by a couple of nearby techno-zombie load-lifters and moved to where it needs to be is an entirely different kettle of squig.

true 'nuff. I'd point out though that I started my involvement in this discussion by saying it's ridiculous to get into fine points of realism. now maaaaaybe I kind of lost track of that a little

well the moment GW states it actually uses some kind of skimmer technology that's a whole different cup of tea. okay, I'll get me a white dwarf soon and sort this out for good, hehe.

Insurgency Walker wrote: I am however going to model some dents in the wings and underside of my Blitza bomber, maybe some Tau sensor antenna stick in the wing or something.

That would be quite cool. Maybe a SM helmet stuck on some random protrusion...

ThomasPolder wrote:
again, it can be done. flying a jet under a bridge, inverted, at mach 2 can be done too. is it a smart thing to do? no. is it safe? hell no. is it something we view as falling within the general parameters of use of that piece of equipment? hell no.

Sounds like somebody's been playing too much Battlefield

Watching random bad 80's B movies actually (come to think of it the similarities are striking, they just have less griefing )

WaaaaghLord wrote:I'm gonna go out on a llimb and say £28 for these fliers is really good value for money, something a little strange going on at GWHQ?

I thought that too. Depends on the stats, though, if it was 10/10/10 with two weapons it probably wouldn't be over 200 points, and if I was GW I'd let them be squadroned. Don't have the WD as I'm in the middle of exams and can't go home

Or, maybe, the new price hike is a massive fake out... We can dream

The Stomrtalon looks like something Metal Slug rejected! Lolz

Shas'o_Longshot wrote:

WaaaaghLord wrote:I'm gonna go out on a llimb and say £28 for these fliers is really good value for money, something a little strange going on at GWHQ?

I thought that too. Depends on the stats, though, if it was 10/10/10 with two weapons it probably wouldn't be over 200 points, and if I was GW I'd let them be squadroned. Don't have the WD as I'm in the middle of exams and can't go home

Or, maybe, the new price hike is a massive fake out... We can dream

The GW Website says the Ork ones are 10/10/10 with 3-4 weapons a piece. But still, depending on the size of the mini, and bearing in mind the price of the FW versions and the fact that they're better in Apocalypse...

So, wait, what slots were the ork fliers again, fast attack or Heavy Support?
EDIT: Wait.. all the kits are around $75-$80 AUD? What? Something actually not mind blowing expensive from GW vehicle wise in Aus? Has something happened to GW? Have they grown kind? Or have they relised that a lot of aussies aren't buying their stuff because it is so overpriced?

Matt.Kingsley wrote:So, wait, what slots were the ork fliers again, fast attack or Heavy Support?

Fast Attack, The models are so awesome, they have convinced me to create a Speed freak army.

Make sure you take wazzdakka so you can have a lot of good ol' bikerz

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Wait.. all the kits are around $75-$80 AUD? What? Something actually not mind blowing expensive from GW vehicle wise in Aus?

Compared to US$45, it's still ridiculous.

Pretty depressing when it feels cheaper than it could have been.

Yes, it's stillridiculous, just not as much as usual

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Make sure you take wazzdakka so you can have a lot of good ol' bikerz

Indeed, even his name adds more dakka.

The ONLY thing I'm annoyed by with the new Ork flyers is that they are fast attack(of course they should be), which means that my Speed Freek army will either have to have *gasp* fewer deffkoptas, or I will have to field them in a squadron like the buggies. I hope a bit that they will change the FOC somehow so that a 30 point buggy doesn't take up the same slot as a 130 point skimmer. I dont think that a % system like fantasy will help, because it will probably just encourage spamming under costed units even more.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Insurgency Walker wrote: I am however going to model some dents in the wings and underside of my Blitza bomber, maybe some Tau sensor antenna stick in the wing or something.

That would be quite cool. Maybe a SM helmet stuck on some random protrusion...

And the running and screaming guy from the Giant sprue mounted on the base, IMO.