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Archonate wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Archonate wrote:With the Hellions, I might have gone a different way with the board. I would have oriented them like snowboards/surfboards. I think that would make for more dynamic poses, indicating speed. The horizontal orientation of the feet looks awkward. You can't brace yourself against speed/inertia with your legs so positioned... I think that's what it is that bothers me about these models. Everything about them looks great, but the physics don't add up.

Plus Silver Surfer>Green Goblin anyway...

>Implying that a universe where ships descend into Hell to travel distances so fast that you can arrive before you leave has a need for Evil Space Elves to follow the "laws" of Physics (which even today we know are more guidelines than laws).

It's really not that complicated. Try an experiment if you don't believe me. Stand on top of a car facing forward with your feet to the sides. Then have the driver suddenly go either forward or reverse. You will fall. Then position your feet front and back of you and you'll find it much easier to keep your balance.

>Implying that SUPAH SPESS ELFDARS are the same as Humans.

UltraPrime wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Why pre-order now when we can wait until the 16th for part 2?

Also what's the estimate on a leaked codex? (not asking for it just wondering so I can plan!)

First, why not? It's not like waiting will make a difference - what's on preorder now comes out on 6th, the next batch is released on the 20th.

Second, what a bizarre question. Do pirate-scum work to a schedule?

I meant 'internet leaked' 'pre-release' et cetera nudge nudge that sort of thing. Again not asking for it but just wondering.

And I don't see why I wouldn't wait until the 16th before ordering.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Because some of us are more than 50 miles away from the nearest hobby shop/lfgs and don't have access to those? Seriously, think about that for a moment.

I realize that too. That still does not make illegal copying okay, does it?

No, but I wasn't asking in the first place.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Leaked codex means pdf document on the interwebz, not a preview in a store.

D'uh. I understand that, but who needs a crap leaked PDF when they can look at the finished product? Besides, all those leaks and illegal copies have not exactly done much good for the relationship between GW and its customers. Why do you think the lead time on previews has been cut so severely the past few years? If you're asking for a link to an illegal copy here on Dakka then you're violating the rules of the forum, among other things.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound like someone suffering from Stockholm syndrome

evilsponge wrote:Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound like someone suffering from Stockholm syndrome

God, ain't that the truth.

For those who have seen the codex, was there any art in there of things not shown in (new) mini form yet? Talos etc?

BA were pretty quiet on that front in the codex, but nids had tons of shots of un-released/non-existent models (tervi, tyranno etc), wondering if anyone spotted anything.

Or, conversely, if there was art for the Talos that looked the same as the existing model, which would indicate not to hold our breath...

The Talos isn't a bad looking model.

Well, ok, it is, but a re-do of the same basic design wouldn't be the end of the world!

Archonate wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Archonate wrote:With the Hellions, I might have gone a different way with the board. I would have oriented them like snowboards/surfboards. I think that would make for more dynamic poses, indicating speed. The horizontal orientation of the feet looks awkward. You can't brace yourself against speed/inertia with your legs so positioned... I think that's what it is that bothers me about these models. Everything about them looks great, but the physics don't add up.

Plus Silver Surfer>Green Goblin anyway...

>Implying that a universe where ships descend into Hell to travel distances so fast that you can arrive before you leave has a need for Evil Space Elves to follow the "laws" of Physics (which even today we know are more guidelines than laws).

It's really not that complicated. Try an experiment if you don't believe me. Stand on top of a car facing forward with your feet to the sides. Then have the driver suddenly go either forward or reverse. You will fall. Then position your feet front and back of you and you'll find it much easier to keep your balance.

Take a second look at the models. The rider is chained to the board against inertia. Now if they need to stop suddenly that is a different thing. Apparently stopping isn't a option for a Dark Eldar, lol.

veritechc wrote:Take a second look at the models. The rider is chained to the board against inertia. Now if they need to stop suddenly that is a different thing. Apparently stopping isn't a option for a Dark Eldar, lol.

Stopping involves hitting the ground (and assploding) or hitting something squishy (which then explodes).

MajorTom11 wrote:For those who have seen the codex, was there any art in there of things not shown in (new) mini form yet? Talos etc?

Shoulda checked out the Talos entry but didn't. Scourges are VERY avian now, with organic feathered wings and beaked helmets. Wracks are scary looking...IIRC (only had a quick look), bared chests, muscles, masks, some kind of back banner/rack/thing? The general aesthetic might be a bit reminiscent of Pyramid Head from Silent Hill, although NOT with the actual pyramid helmet, if that makes any sense.

Regarding the models, their detail is even more impressive in person mainly because they're appropriately sized. There's no scale creep at work, at least for the Warriors. The pics don't give you the proper sense of scale. I think based on the detail I expected the Warriors to be roughly SM sized, and they're NOT.

Wiglaf wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:How come the Mandrake has no mouth?

According Jes original sketch, they have "shifting features, sometimes no mouth or eye, obscure by hair."

I guess some of the other models must have a mouth but are eyeless; it might represent the vast amount of warp energy flowing through their bodies and mutating them constantly, though not radically due to their natural resistance.

Thank you, that is very helpful. I think that particular model would do better with a jagged mouth of sorts, but that's just my personal preference.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Wiglaf wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:How come the Mandrake has no mouth?

According Jes original sketch, they have "shifting features, sometimes no mouth or eye, obscure by hair."

I guess some of the other models must have a mouth but are eyeless; it might represent the vast amount of warp energy flowing through their bodies and mutating them constantly, though not radically due to their natural resistance.

Thank you, that is very helpful. I think that particular model would do better with a jagged mouth of sorts, but that's just my personal preference.

So carve one out/paint one on!

If you can make it look sufficiently awesome, sky's the limit!

SaintHazard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote: I think that particular model would do better with a jagged mouth of sorts, but that's just my personal preference.

So carve one out/paint one on!

If you can make it look sufficiently awesome, sky's the limit!

Yeah, like I can do possibly better with a box of crayons scribbing over the Mona Lisa...

SaintHazard wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Wiglaf wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:How come the Mandrake has no mouth?

According Jes original sketch, they have "shifting features, sometimes no mouth or eye, obscure by hair."

I guess some of the other models must have a mouth but are eyeless; it might represent the vast amount of warp energy flowing through their bodies and mutating them constantly, though not radically due to their natural resistance.

Thank you, that is very helpful. I think that particular model would do better with a jagged mouth of sorts, but that's just my personal preference.

So carve one out/paint one on!

If you can make it look sufficiently awesome, sky's the limit!

I think the idea is not a bad one, and that even the execution (is this one of Jes Goodwin's? Or another sculptor?) is well done. But there's just something I don't quite like about the no mouth (or other missing features. I think I would put/sculpt on a mask of some sort. But then, I'm a big fan of masks...

and as to the Hellions:

Are the Hellions going to be metal? I sure hope not - metal models (especially ones with such tall profiles as these Hellions seem to have) are SUCH a pain. They're so top-heavy that you practicall have to glue a manhole cover to the bas, and pray that the stem stays in the hole securely, or you always have tipsy, heavy models, prone to breakage.

To invoke The Mozzer: "Please, please, please let me get what I want (plastic Hellions)."

yes, the Hellions are plastic.

airmang wrote:yes, the Hellions are plastic.

Oh good! So the "female" Wyches/Hellions arms will be interchangeable with the Catachan Jungle Fighters arms

Again, I think that the 'eavy metal team missed the fact that there are male and female arm pairs as well for Warriors, Wyches and Hellions.

veritechc wrote:

Archonate wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Archonate wrote:With the Hellions, I might have gone a different way with the board. I would have oriented them like snowboards/surfboards. I think that would make for more dynamic poses, indicating speed. The horizontal orientation of the feet looks awkward. You can't brace yourself against speed/inertia with your legs so positioned... I think that's what it is that bothers me about these models. Everything about them looks great, but the physics don't add up.

Plus Silver Surfer>Green Goblin anyway...

>Implying that a universe where ships descend into Hell to travel distances so fast that you can arrive before you leave has a need for Evil Space Elves to follow the "laws" of Physics (which even today we know are more guidelines than laws).

It's really not that complicated. Try an experiment if you don't believe me. Stand on top of a car facing forward with your feet to the sides. Then have the driver suddenly go either forward or reverse. You will fall. Then position your feet front and back of you and you'll find it much easier to keep your balance.

Take a second look at the models. The rider is chained to the board against inertia. Now if they need to stop suddenly that is a different thing. Apparently stopping isn't a option for a Dark Eldar, lol.

Jes Goodwin wrote:
We wanted figures that could be assembled to look as if they were moving flat-out, their riders held on by the fine chain tethers that were a feature of the raider crew. As the models were primarily about the Hellions themselves we wanted to sculpt them physically, like the Warriors and Wyches, rather than digitally, as the Reavers were. Juan Diaz set about working out exactly how far he could push the 'dynamic' part of the brief, and we tried to work out how we could get physically representations of the boards at 3:1.

Also a neat little addition:

Jes Goodwin wrote:The finished designs were fully as dynamic as we had wanted, the addition of a new ball-ended flying stand allowed the boards to be tilted to emphasise the riders suitably wild positions.

Hope everything will be moving to these new ball-end flight sticks.

is anyone liking the incubi? i know i hate the new ones but does anyone else have any feedback on the new incubi models?

I think they're awesome. I like the whole Chaos/Eldar mix tho.

The general consensus - to which I agree - is that THEY ARE FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!

Seriously, they rock. Great weapons, bodies, rules, price, apparently, helmets. They've got the whole package!

necrongod wrote:is anyone liking the incubi? i know i hate the new ones but does anyone else have any feedback on the new incubi models?

I like them.

well let me rephrase what i said. dont get me wrong the new incubi are awesoooome! but i think that the old incubi fit the discription better. but im not even sure if they are at all the "silent armoured up dudes" anymore.

What makes you think they aren't? They are still heavily armored and can still be silent.

i dont know they just dont seem as dark eldar. they seem more like they should be in the chaos codex. but thats just my opinion.

necrongod wrote:i dont know they just dont seem as dark eldar. they seem more like they should be in the chaos codex. but thats just my opinion.

I think some share your views. When they were first revealed, it seemed like a lot of people had issue with the horns. I, for one, think they look great. They're my third favorite behind Lelith and the mandrakes. They seem like armoured samurai (which fits in this Japanese-theme style that the DE seemed to have taken.)

Ya know, I understand everyone is going to like everything about the new DE. I'm more than cool with that. I'm personally wowed by the new incubi because of a variety of reasons.

1. Over-all aesthetic
2. Level of detail
3. More dynamic posing
4. FREAKING HUGE SWORDS
5. They are now Elites.

Don't get me wrong, I love the old Incubi models which is why I have 24 of the damned buggers. But looking at them compared to the new ones...the old ones just look a bit silly by comparison.

I like the incubi, but I can't get over how big and ridonkulous the swords are. I just think there should be a limit to how otp a model, or any of accessories, can be.

Munch Munch! wrote:I like the incubi, but I can't get over how big and ridonkulous the swords are.

I think the size is justified by the fact that the sword has 3 handles.

I'm not a huge fan of them myself either. I wanted them to stick more to the evil striking scorpion feel. But then they make them metal too which really ruined them in my opinion.

I'll probably buy them just to have, but I have a feeling I'll use them only for the squad leader. I'm already planning a warrior conversion with the hellion weapons using the warrior helmet with the scorpion'esque symbol on it as my incubi.