Beyond The Gates of Antares - Official Kickstarter Thread

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**Pacific**

Rolt wrote:P.s. Sorry for not embedding the video I'm not sure how to with vimeo, silly hipster stuff.

That's OK, the ability to embed videos here is known only to a select few. Known as 'The Quadrangle', their identity is known only to themselves, and should any reveal the secrets of video embedding, they are immediately hunted down and murdered most horribly by the hands of the other members.

Usually when one of the Quadrangle is approaching death, they will search for another to whom to pass on their secrets. The exact method of the choosing of the new members is not known, but it is thought that only those with a knowledge of the arcane and forbidden arts are likely to be selected. At times they are witnessed, wandering through the streets, their faces hidden by black cowls, their coming heralded by the passing of crows.

So, as a result not many videos get posted on Dakka.

**warboss**

With youtube you need to use the full url address with the youtube dakka tags and not the shortened one offered... don't know about vimeo.

**Albino Squirrel**

I did a quick solo playtest game using the outline rulebook. You can read the battle report and my observations on my blog:

http://www.adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2013/02/beyond-gates-of-antares-outline-rules.html

**Rolt**

Update: Hansa Painting Part 2 & Q&A Volume 6

hey everybody
Couple of updates for you today, first up our final Q&A volume which covers all kinds of exciting information about WarDrones, NuSims, initial release and more!

The video is here: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2037958218/beyond-the-gates-of-antares/posts/403646

Our other update today is more progress by Golem on Hansa, which we rather like very much oh yes we do!

Here's their write up (not in our usual 'arted' format as we couldn't wait to get these out to you!)

Golem's Tommie:" Having chatted with the team we decided that the desert theme for Hansa's body suit should in the end be black but still remain sleeveless. This still leaves me the opportunity to explore some freehand tattoo ideas on him which is great! His armour, painted fresh from the fabricators, is now complete. Painting shiny surface effects is one of my favourite things to apply to miniatures and i think this works especially well on Hansa's back plate, due to Kev's brilliant sculpting. However with Hansa i have to consider how i will beat the armor up and add some grime here and there so i can't go too nuts with the 'polishing' I kept all the tubing a subtle dark blue still cos i like the idea he is being pumped with nutrients, coolants and hydro "

The base is nice if a little generic, I'm curious if all of the last updates this kickstarter will receive will be the painting of the Boromite and Space-hobo, that will really pull the backers in.

Enjoy.

**yakface**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I did a quick solo playtest game using the outline rulebook. You can read the battle report and my observations on my blog:

http://www.adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2013/02/beyond-gates-of-antares-outline-rules.html

Thanks for that, I enjoyed reading it.

**Charles Rampant**

The painters are really good; his armour looks stunning. I prefer that style to Giraldez, who does the Infinity stuff.

**devilution**

NMM is sweet. It takes mad skills to be able to paint like that.

**Commander Cain**

Well even if the kickstarter fails I can see Golem getting a pretty penny out of all the advertising they are getting. That is one fantastic paintjob!

**Rolt**

Update: The Algoryn

Only 16 days left on this, funding is currently at £101,458

Enjoy

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

The art makes me say

Well hello Mass Effect Turians (not a bad thing to bring to mind, but they do bring them to mind rather strongly for me)

**Rolt**

They remind me of the Qunari from Dragon Age, except in space.

The Qunari:

Spoiler:

**Breotan**

They remind me more of those old wolfman movies back from the 50s & 60s.

**warboss**

The Gwar??? Wow, they're really just shooting spitballs at the wall and seeing what sticks at this point. Are they armored with spikey lightshield projectors and armed with giant spacefoam genitalia?

**BobtheInquisitor**

warboss wrote:
The Gwar??? Wow, they're really just shooting spitballs at the wall and seeing what sticks at this point. Are they armored with spikey lightshield projectors and armed with giant spacefoam genitalia?

Is that how tabletop gamers represent Gay Women Against Rape? I suppose those precautions could work against naughty space elves and ovipositor aliens...

PS: Now I really want to see this army...

**catharsix**

Given that there is almost certainly no way that the KS will receive 12,000 GBP PER DAY between now and the end, what do you think the reward for contributing 200,000 GBP would be? (The current highest level pledge is 4,930, which gets you 50 painted sight-unseen minis, a game & dinner with the DSC team, a night at a hotel [um...

] and all manner of books n' stuff.)

-C6

**Dentry**

Anyway, the Algoryn sound interesting and I'm liking the concept work for them. Hansa's armor is not turning out at all how I expected, it's actually better.

**Kilkrazy**

First prize is a night with the dev team.

Second prize is two nights with the dev team.

Ha ha ha.

**derling**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The art makes me say

Well hello Mass Effect Turians (not a bad thing to bring to mind, but they do bring them to mind rather strongly for me)

I thought the same thing and I think a more "Mass Effect: look to the BtGoA universe would be a good thing. Now they need to produce Salarians!!

I'll throw down an STG army in a heart beat!!

"Sometime hard to big picture through pile of corpses"....

**agustin**

Does it make sense financially, if there is 100k on the table, for principals to contribute the other 200k in order to get their hands on a net extra 60k?

What I mean by this, is that if funding only goes to 150ish, can dummy pledges be made by insiders to get it successfully funded that they know they don't have to fulfil? Amazon/KS will still get their cut and they'll still bring in more than if the project fails.

And let's face it. What they've shown so far does not in any way cost 300k to produce for 1000-1500 people.

So are we going to start seeing pledges go up and up and up in the last few weeks, partially made up of real pledges and others of dummy pledges?

**catharsix**

agustin wrote:
Does it make sense financially, if there is 100k on the table, for principals to contribute the other 200k in order to get their hands on a net extra 60k?

What I mean by this, is that if funding only goes to 150ish, can dummy pledges be made by insiders to get it successfully funded that they know they don't have to fulfil? Amazon/KS will still get their cut and they'll still bring in more than if the project fails.

And let's face it. What they've shown so far does not in any way cost 300k to produce for 1000-1500 people.

So are we going to start seeing pledges go up and up and up in the last few weeks, partially made up of real pledges and others of dummy pledges?

This is a really fascinating hypothetical. Additionally, it would be nice to see the principals put some skin in the game, given that they're asking for a huge sum of money based on very minimal to show for it...

**AlexHolker**

agustin wrote:
Does it make sense financially, if there is 100k on the table, for principals to contribute the other 200k in order to get their hands on a net extra 60k?

What I mean by this, is that if funding only goes to 150ish, can dummy pledges be made by insiders to get it successfully funded that they know they don't have to fulfil? Amazon/KS will still get their cut and they'll still bring in more than if the project fails.

They could certainly do it if they paid KS their pound of flesh for the extra 200klb, but it would make more sense to try to work something out with Kickstarter directly, where KS gets their fee for the first 100klb obtained through Kickstarter, while DSC provides proof of the additional 200klb in backing but do not pay the fee on that additional capital.

And let's face it. What they've shown so far does not in any way cost 300k to produce for 1000-1500 people.

I definitely agree with you there. We all know that the up-front costs are cheaper for metal than plastic, but when you're asking for half a million dollars that shouldn't be a problem. Dreamforge managed a similar output of kits, in plastic, for less than half of what DSC is asking.

**BobtheInquisitor**

catharsix wrote:
Given that there is almost certainly no way that the KS will receive 12,000 GBP PER DAY between now and the end, what do you think the reward for contributing 200,000 GBP would be?
-C6

A sex scandal with Rick Priestley?

Getting to rename the game Through the Gates of Wargames Factory?

Tony Reidy's undivided attention?

One thing it won't get you: a satisfying feeling of accomplishment.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

agustin wrote:
Does it make sense financially, if there is 100k on the table, for principals to contribute the other 200k in order to get their hands on a net extra 60k?

What I mean by this, is that if funding only goes to 150ish, can dummy pledges be made by insiders to get it successfully funded that they know they don't have to fulfil? Amazon/KS will still get their cut and they'll still bring in more than if the project fails.

And let's face it. What they've shown so far does not in any way cost 300k to produce for 1000-1500 people.

So are we going to start seeing pledges go up and up and up in the last few weeks, partially made up of real pledges and others of dummy pledges?

Probably not (even if it could be arranged)

you've accounted for KS fees, but not for taxes on the £270000 'income' form a funded KS

**agustin**

AlexHolker wrote:

They could certainly do it if they paid KS their pound of flesh for the extra 200klb, but it would make more sense to try to work something out with Kickstarter directly, where KS gets their fee for the first 100klb obtained through Kickstarter, while DSC provides proof of the additional 200klb in backing but do not pay the fee on that additional capital.

I have no idea what KS's policies are on stuff like that. Whether or not dummy contributes are an explicit violation of their terms, whether additional funding from the principles can change the project success amount.

I definitely agree with you there. We all know that the up-front costs are cheaper for metal than plastic, but when you're asking for half a million dollars that shouldn't be a problem. Dreamforge managed a similar output of kits, in plastic, for less than half of what DSC is asking.

It's nice to see some more concept art, but even the sculpt and painted previews so far have been lacking. I'm just not sure what they needed 300,000 for when it looks like a few Hasslefree sculpts and a rulebook is what they are producing. I've never been a huge fan of Kev White's sculpting and the miniatures so far look sub par compared to things like DreamForge (but what doesn't?).

At this point, I'm ready to put my money into the new Warzone stuff and the Rogue Trooper Kickstarter.

**Grot 6**

How are we looking at for the squaddies?

All I see here is a bunch of pretty pictures and one whole sculpt in the painting phase.

Disappointed isn't really the word for it at this point.

**Azazelx**

They're now at the point of having lost money for the past 3 days.
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/2037958218/beyond-the-gates-of-antares/#chart-daily

**Eggs**

Just got an email saying goa has been withdrawn from kick starter, and that they will be pursuing other ways of bringing it to market...

**Theophony**

Hopefully they will take some time to digest what has been said in the forums and come back with a plan, models, and some excitement.

**Sidstyler**

Yeah, page says it was canceled 13 minutes ago. That's a shame. Hopefully it comes back bigger and better later, I'm still interested but there just wasn't a whole lot here to be excited about yet.

**Catyrpelius**

It's going to be interesting to see what effect a failed Kickstarter has on the game in the long run...