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PiñaColada wrote:

Cronch wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
Plenty of first impressions/unboxings have popped up on youtube now, so if anyone is dying to see whatever datasheet your favorite hero has then now's the time. Overall I have to say that everything in there seems really nice and both videos I glanced at had the people really impressed with the board tiles and noted that they felt like high quality and the colours were nice and bright.

The stats are, unsurprisingly, largely trash, as is the case with most of non-AoS products that get AoS warscrolls.

Oh, it sucks to hear they're bad in AoS I guess.. On the other hand, I hate that the daedolosus is an autotake for admech and he's just some weird dude that certainly shouldn't pop up in every single admech battle. However, I just meant their stats were available to view within the actual Cursed City game itself.

I think GW aims for them to be fluffy to use rather than strategic, which is honestly not a bad point if those models are, at least for now, exclusive to a very expensive side game. What will be more interesting is the long term approach if GW is going to make that sprue sell on its own after the Cursed City ends its life and those vampire units become a main part of the Vampire army - much like the Indomitus character pack for Necrons - or if they are going to simply let them slip away to nothing in a few years time.

Personally I hope for the former. The characters and models are fantastic and its a huge shame so many of the Blackstone models have vanished into nothing.

Danny76 wrote:
I don’t think they necessarily under estimated.
But obviously difficult times, and falling behind from production and all that may have played a part.
(Can’t use that excuse forever of course).

And we know this has been very popular.
So they could have made double some of the other boxes in anticipation, and still sold out.

The real question is how quick they can get on with more being ready for release..

yes that was what I meant really, I don't mind missing out on the initial batch (as I need to clear space in the pile of shame) but hopefully production will continue and I'll be able to buy a month or two down the road.

GMG Let's play

Danny76 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cheers both

If you get both, I’ll be happy to buy one ☝️

You can have mine if MDG doesn’t need it.

Really qexcited by these models. Need to clear my desk....

Was lucky enough to grab a copy (and the regular book) for 20% off at Goblin Gaming. Hopefully it won’t be too long until the restocks arrive.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not sure why you struggle so much to understand that useful things are better than useless things but whatevs, on to the next willfully oblivious white knighting...?

Couldn't they be in line to get a battletome this summer? Specialist game heroes have always felt tacked on and pretty meh. Not sure if these will get a proper addition to a book either though. Did the first WQ heroes get integrated? ( I know the Ogroid did )

Eh let's not pretend this "shortage" which has been a thing for years now, long before rona, is anything other than GW intentionally preying on FOMO.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Eh let's not pretend this "shortage" which has been a thing for years now, long before rona, is anything other than GW intentionally preying on FOMO.

It seems pretty clear that this is not a limited run and scores of kits are sold out right now so, yes, COVID. The key is FOMO, but anyone upset about not getting that, well...there's worse things that can happen.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Eh let's not pretend this "shortage" which has been a thing for years now, long before rona, is anything other than GW intentionally preying on FOMO.

I fail to see how this is fear of missing out when it's a regular stock item.

Ash already has a Let's Play up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOLWBUto4T8


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Eh let's not pretend this "shortage" which has been a thing for years now, long before rona, is anything other than GW intentionally preying on FOMO.

I fail to see how this is fear of missing out when it's a regular stock item.

Yes people are totally not hysterical about getting it right now, that's why the websites crashed within 3 minutes of it going up for preorder and the last 2 pages are just people talking about whether or not their preorder went through.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
... well...there's worse things that can happen.

Entering fallacy of relative privation territory there.

If people have no patience, that's their problem. It's going to be back, probably quickly with how popular it is. If people can't handle a few weeks, then that's their issue.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
If people have no patience, that's their problem. It's going to be back, probably quickly with how popular it is. If people can't handle a few weeks, then that's their issue.

Yes FOMO is a peoples issue...

To be honest Im more inclined to believe that GW, now more than ever, does not have the capacity to produce large numbers of boxes... I think that is all.

It is simply that GW is a conservative (small c) company. They would much rather make 10,000 copies and sell them all than make 20,000 copies and sell 15,000. There is nothing more to it than that. They are have been really pushed for warehouse space for a while now which is why they have been building new facilities in the UK and America. They don't want unsold box sets sitting around.

Restricting orders on this is a bit odd, since it's not a "buy it now before it's gone forever" product. Guess it helps eliminate scalpers, which I'm cool with.

But GW has been a bit more stringy with their discount box sets lately. Piety and Pain sold out pretty quickly and wasn't restocked. Indomitus wasn't around super long either, though probably because GW wanted to sell the models from that set separately and at a huge markup. :[

I'm guessing The Wolf survives, since he's got his own sprue. The chaos lord from Blackstone was sold individually, so maybe the Wolf will be in the Soulblight tome. Not a great sign for our heroes success, though.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ash already has a Let's Play up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOLWBUto4T8


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Eh let's not pretend this "shortage" which has been a thing for years now, long before rona, is anything other than GW intentionally preying on FOMO.

I fail to see how this is fear of missing out when it's a regular stock item.

Yes people are totally not hysterical about getting it right now, that's why the websites crashed within 3 minutes of it going up for preorder and the last 2 pages are just people talking about whether or not their preorder went through.

Of course when stock is unlimited in the end fomo doesn't really work out and producing less just slows cash income

 GaroRobe wrote:
Restricting orders on this is a bit odd, since it's not a "buy it now before it's gone forever" product. Guess it helps eliminate scalpers, which I'm cool with.

But GW has been a bit more stringy with their discount box sets lately. Piety and Pain sold out pretty quickly and wasn't restocked. Indomitus wasn't around super long either, though probably because GW wanted to sell the models from that set separately and at a huge markup. :[

I'm guessing The Wolf survives, since he's got his own sprue. The chaos lord from Blackstone was sold individually, so maybe the Wolf will be in the Soulblight tome. Not a great sign for our heroes success, though.

Piety and Pain has been restocked but is now a GW site exclusive. Not sure if it’s hit the US store yet but was added back to the UK, Europe and (I believe) Australian store in the 3 days.

Edit - looks like it’s out of stock again.

May I point out that it’s not impossible that some fraction of the (boxes, tokens, whatever) stock planned for launch day was stuck on, or in the queue behind, the Ever Given? They don’t normally restrict supply of perennial products like this because they know their fulfilment quotas for the next month already. But if parts of the product can’t be sourced due to unforeseen circumstances than I can see them putting it out with an initial limited run like this.
In fact it might even explain the unusually long build-up to release that some people were complaining about earlier.

I enjoyed Ash's "let's play" video. Yup, there are a lot of known mechanisms but also a few improvements too. I really like the "choose your poison" mission choice. Do you try to lower the Influence or Fear, or risk it to go up while looking for more powerful treasures ?

There are also quite a lot of different maps for the hunt missions, and the fact the monsters keep being random means you can make the same and still having it going very different.

This will be a very enjoyable cooperative / solo game for a bit of time, which is exactly what I was looking for.

Looks like you can feth the campaign badly if you choose poorly / got really unlucky !

 Daedalus81 wrote:

It seems pretty clear that this is not a limited run and scores of kits are sold out right now so, yes, COVID. The key is FOMO, but anyone upset about not getting that, well...there's worse things that can happen.

Yes, it's definitely exploiting FOMO here, because there was exclusive stuff like the key or the "exclusive character" with the special edition novel if you managed to get a copy while stock is available on the GW webstore.

The box itself will be available for a while, sure, so you can "wait" but the mechanisms made here were intended to make you pre-order as fast as possible still. Psychological tricks are always efficient.

Has there been any word - anywhere - about additional adversary rules - such as for Nighthaunt or Flesheaters - being included in the booklets, as Silver Tower and Hammerhal had? Even statline for the four vamps in the forthcoming Shadespire release would make one hell of difference in variety!

Clockpunk wrote:
Has there been any word - anywhere - about additional adversary rules - such as for Nighthaunt or Flesheaters - being included in the booklets, as Silver Tower and Hammerhal had? Even statline for the four vamps in the forthcoming Shadespire release would make one hell of difference in variety!

No but there are hints about them...especially on the Cursed City website, when they show the map of Ulfenkarn with special places, and some describe clearly the presence of Flesh Eater courts and Nighthaunts.

I wouldn't be surprised if additional adversaries would be introduced through White Dwarf like they were for Blackstone Fortress.

White Dwarf would make sense for that. The models are already out there and available, then expansions can go in newer directions.

Good luck on getting one. US webstore had game only a minute ago. No bundle with novels, nor the special or standard novels separately. Just the game. Anything involving the novels was ‘Sorry, but this product isn’t available.’ Looks like the keys are gone as well. Can still get just the base game at 13:11 here.

I hate myself for spending 199 USD on this.

Eh, I guess its around 2 nights at the local craft brewery that I can skip out on.


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 totalfailure wrote:
Good luck on getting one. US webstore had game only a minute ago. No bundle with novels, nor the special or standard novels separately. Just the game. Anything involving the novels was ‘Sorry, but this product isn’t available.’ Looks like the keys are gone as well. Can still get just the base game at 13:11 here.

Indeed. The pre-orders went live at 1256 and the collector's edition stuff was gone by 1310. 14 minutes...thats pretty wild.

 Denny wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cheers both

If you get both, I’ll be happy to buy one ☝️

You can have mine if MDG doesn’t need it.

Really qexcited by these models. Need to clear my desk....

Thanks mate. Very much appreciated.

Oooh. If I’m all disciplined, I should be able to get everything assembled by the following Monday. Which is important as my mate and I are off to the pub for first time Forever.

Reckon a bit of ass kicking is just the ticket to whet our whistles.

Watched the video. Lots of neat improvements over BSF but one of the core issues persists, it's grindy as heck and you're expected to repeat the same fights over and over and over. Never mind that you need a minimum of 12 games to unlock the bosses, the Influence/Fear missions gain you 2 points of one but lose you 1 point of the other for a net 1 point gain, when you aready start over halfway dead on both tracks, mean you will likely have to grind multiple Influence/Fear missions to pay off each mission of any other type. Remains to be seen whether the system has enough bones on it to be tactically satisfying repeating one battle that only differs in the order in which particular enemies appear.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Watched the video. Lots of neat improvements over BSF but one of the core issues persists, it's grindy as heck and you're expected to repeat the same fights over and over and over. Never mind that you need a minimum of 12 games to unlock the bosses, the Influence/Fear missions gain you 2 points of one but lose you 1 point of the other for a net 1 point gain, when you aready start over halfway dead on both tracks, mean you will likely have to grind multiple Influence/Fear missions to pay off each mission of any other type.

That and you seem to level up quite slowly (Ash talked about playing 3 games to get level 2, I think ?). Seems like the campaign is intended to take some time...but then, maybe you can tinker that part a bit by starting with lower influence / fear and lowering the requirements to unlock the key battles / levels ?

I believe you start on level 0 so 3 games to get up to level 2 sounds okay to me, 1 game to get to level 1 and 2 games to go from 1 to 2.