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 Overread wrote:
Since the rules don't forbid you using an actual D3* .... *They state that you do not necessarily need to use a D3, not that you are forbidden from using one.

Firstly, that's not what the rules says - it doesn't say that you don't need to use a D3, it says you don't need to use a three sided dice. There's an important difference because it hasn't yet defined what a D3 actually is.

That's also not how rules work. Note for a D6 it specifically tells you to use a 6 sided dice marked 1 to 6. It doesn't tell you in the D3 rules to use a dice marked 1 to 3 - by your logic since the rules don't tell you want you can't do then you could have a 100 sided dice marked 1 to 100 and call it a D3 and that would be okay. That's obviously nonsense, but it uses the same logic as you just have.

To understand how this rule works you must first ditch your assumption of what a D3 is - you will not understand how this rule works until you ditch your preconceptions and actually follow the rules of the game.

 Overread wrote:
are you arguing that if you roll a D6 for a D3 result then you can potentially have a 1/6 chances at a natural 1; whilst if you roll an actual D3 you'd have only a 1/3 chance of a natural 1?

That's not only what I am arguing, that is also precisely what the rules of the game are saying.

 Crimson wrote:
It doesn't matter. It is merely a process for producing a random number from one to three.

Nonsense, it's integral to why you haven't been able to grasp the meaning of the rule.

Yes. In case of D3 that number is either one, two or three. No other possibilities exist.

For a D3 used somewhere other than Necromunda you would be correct. But a D3 in Necromunda has 3 results produced by 6 natural numbers. Let go of your assumption of what a D3 is and start following the rules.

The result happens on natural roll of one on D3.

Which we've already shown that a D3 is actually a modified D6. In Necromunda a natural roll of a one on a D3 is exactly the same as a natural roll of a one on a D6 - there is no difference.

 Grinshanks wrote:
This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever read

It really is. The rules define what a D3 is, anything else is just pedantry at this point.

I think we'll just have to either wait for a FAQ or houserule it as/when it comes up t'would seem.

Regardless i think this thread has seen enough of this discussion now so we'll end this tangent now/here.

ta.

So... eagerly awaiting my Ogryn. Anyone got tips for the kit or a review?

I really like how the only person quoting actual rules in this discussion is the one whose intelligence and general character is being called into question.

 Grinshanks wrote:
This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever read

This is semantics, and by the wording of the rule in the book it can actually be argued either way.

Most ridiculous argument? I mean... I've seen flat earthers and anti vaxxers... as arguments go, this one doesn't even rate.

EDIT: Oh, red text, sorry :(

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... eagerly awaiting my Ogryn. Anyone got tips for the kit or a review?

I got it today, but apart from the kit being fine and very directive like all Necromunda plastic kits, I have nothing really interesting to say (follow the building notice and you can't really go wrong). The GW website is pretty much telling it all.

Grinshanks wrote:This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever read

you havent read many threads on Dakkadakka have you?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So... eagerly awaiting my Ogryn. Anyone got tips for the kit or a review?

I'm seeing tons of photos on FB with people showing off the conversions they've made, either making Lascutter/Rocksaw-armed Ogryn Slaves, or just adding more basic weapons like bix axes and brute cleavers and whatnot.

Seems that mixing them with the regular Ogryn kit is extremely easy, and that the Ogryn/Bullgryn Grenade Launcher arm makes a good base for various types of ranged weapon arms.

 Grinshanks wrote:
This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever read

Yeah no kidding. We're at, what, two pages of this meaningless drivel?

Scrutinator-Primus Servalen (and her cyber-mastiff KB-88), and Rogue Doc & Gang Lookout up for pre-order next week - WarCom.

Of course Servalen would go up for preorder the week after the Ranger Captains, who were what I was waiting on to send to someone for the group order!

Did they resculpt her head? or will she still have a bare-headed option?

 Segersgia wrote:
Did they resculpt her head? or will she still have a bare-headed option?

I believe she had both versions in the initial preview.

They made it clear early on she was going to have two head options, so I'd assume that she'll still have the other and they just showed the one.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They made it clear early on she was going to have two head options, so I'd assume that she'll still have the other and they just showed the one.

I completely forgot they showed two head-options in the original preview. I'm happy now.

I must say, all of these are some of my favourite sculpts. The Cyber-Mastiff gives me heavy Wolfenstein vibes, and I love everything about the Rogue Doc.

 Segersgia wrote:
Did they resculpt her head? or will she still have a bare-headed option?

The earlier WarCom article showed both heads:

Look Out is giving me serious Mos Eisley vibes, which is no bad thing at all.

And really liking the handle on the Cyber Mastiff. Lovely little touch to give the controller something to control it by.

Is it haptic, keyed to her genetic palm print, maybe just a basic ‘centre of pull is here’ or something in between? Who knows!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it haptic, keyed to her genetic palm print, maybe just a basic ‘centre of pull is here’ or something in between? Who knows!

I wonder if the implant in the back of her head has something to do with it...

See Spot sit.

See Spot give paw

See Spot run.

See Spot tear apart the Perp

Good Boy, Spot! Good Boy!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
See Spot sit.

See Spot give paw

See Spot run.

See Spot tear apart the Perp

Good Boy, Spot! Good Boy!

W00f!

There should be a ban on all Necromunda pets until we get phyrr cats darn it!

No more bomb rats or doggies or cyber doggies or half cyber doggies!!!

Fine looking models

Hell even Kal Jerico has a Cyber mastif (gift from his mum and sister)

But yeah sort out those Escher pet models

 Mr Morden wrote:
Fine looking models

Hell even Kal Jerico has a Cyber mastif (gift from his mum and sister)

But yeah sort out those Escher pet models

If they would have just written the rules so that Escher champions and leaders could actually take the phelynxes that come in the new plastic box this wouldn't be a problem.

 Overread wrote:
There should be a ban on all Necromunda pets until we get phyrr cats darn it!

No more bomb rats or doggies or cyber doggies or half cyber doggies!!!

Just buy cats/Stygian panthers from hydra miniatures
https://shop.hydraminiatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_49&products_id=168&osCsid=d578a6d4a487628978a5014769bc79e6
https://shop.hydraminiatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_49&products_id=161

Or did they not make rules available for phyrr cats yet?

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Overread wrote:
There should be a ban on all Necromunda pets until we get phyrr cats darn it!

No more bomb rats or doggies or cyber doggies or half cyber doggies!!!

Just buy cats/Stygian panthers from hydra miniatures
https://shop.hydraminiatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_49&products_id=168&osCsid=d578a6d4a487628978a5014769bc79e6
https://shop.hydraminiatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_49&products_id=161

Or did they not make rules available for phyrr cats yet?

Nice models!

There's rules for the phyrr cats and another (big monster that I can't spell from memory) in the new House book alongside the new lizardkitties. So we've got the stats for them. Indeed I'd wondered if they'd been quietly retired from the game since the models vanished from sight,so I was very glad to see them in the book.

Good to know. Gangs was and will remain my absolutely last Necromunda book so I didn't know if the cats had stats

 Crimson wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Fine looking models

Hell even Kal Jerico has a Cyber mastif (gift from his mum and sister)

But yeah sort out those Escher pet models

If they would have just written the rules so that Escher champions and leaders could actually take the phelynxes that come in the new plastic box this wouldn't be a problem.

I'd rather have not-yet-released phyrr cats that have a chance of looking decent, than see more of those horrid catratlizardthings on the table!

I still think it's a travesty that the Zerker got dropped on HoC release day and yet here we are still waiting for a Khimerix model.

Man I really just like that lookout dude.



I've got some Medge Broken on order with a similar aestetic but he just looks cool. Y'know.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I'd rather have not-yet-released phyrr cats that have a chance of looking decent, than see more of those horrid catratlizardthings on the table!

I didn't first like them when I saw the pictures, but after assembling the models I love them. The paintjob in that kit's promo pics somehow make them look way worse than they really are. And in any case I don't think it would have been too much to ask to have an option to give them to the leaders and champions, that wouldn't have precluded them having an option to have expensive and currently non-existing resin cats as well.