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**Destrado**

Is it me, or you people could, hum, take the prawns, artistic whatnot and stuff like that to a different section of the forum? It's all fun and dandy but the "quote and image reposts" are getting tiresome.

Plus, when in doubt regarding the DEldar, try to go to www.games-workshop.com . There's a wonderful chap called Jes Goodwin who's had a series of articles dedicated to how he created the dark kin. Let's try and leave this topic to the former discussion, lest the mods close it altogether.

**chaos0xomega**

So while ya'll were complaining about irrelevant asthetic designs of prawn and armadillo's, Warseer was posting rumors.

The webway portal, sadly, is just a repainted vortex grenade (ala the apoc release from a while back).

Also(thank you vovlin from warseer):

* Flyers:
4 types of missiles, range 48"
1) S6 AP5 Blast 5"
2) S7 AP- Blast 5", reroll to wound
3) SX AP5 Blast 5", Poison 2+, Pinning
4) AP2 Blast 3", Test on initial Wounds or dead, cover and invulnerable saves allowed

Razorwing: 10/10/10
has 4 missiles of type 1), can upgrade to type 2) and 3)
Bomber: 11/11/10
can take upt to 4 missiles of any type
Type 4) costs the same as 3 Firewarriors
Has one Void Mine: S9 AP2 Blast 5", Lance, dropped on model underneath, D6" scatter

* Haemonculi can also take a huskblade
* Warriors don't have plasma greandes, but sybarite can take grenade launcher for 2 fire warriors which gives offensive and defensive grenades to the whole squad
* Trueborns can exchange their rifle for ccw and pistol for free or carbine for halb a firewarrior, can take plasma grenades for one point each. 4 Trueborn can take special weapons and 2 heavy weapons
* every third elite waych can take a wych weapon
* Incubi can't take plasma grenades or grenade launcher
* Groteques can take a champion, which can take some special ccw, but nothing which ignores armour, Wracks can also take a champion which can take an agonizer
* there is absolutely no way to give mandrakes a pain point without sacrificing their infiltration
* the combat drugs effects are: +1 A, +1 S, +1 WS, max out of 3D6 for running, reroll to wound in close combat, free Pain Token
* beastmasters don't have combat drugs and they are Beasts instead of Jump Troops
* Hellions have Fleet, Reavers have not
* Mandrakes have only 1 ccw, so only three attacks during an assault and 2 thereafter
* Jetbike fly-by-attack only works against one single unit even if there were several units on the path of the jetbikes. For determination wether an unit was under the jetbikes path or not you don't look at the actual path. You take the starting point and end point of the movement and draw a line.
* most squad champions can take ghostarmour (4+ and 6++) except wyches
* if there is a portal, even deepstriking or outflanking reserves can enter via the portal
* Talos is 10 Firewarriors with D6 attacks, for 1.5 Firewarrior it can take an additional ccw. For 0.5 firewarriors it can be upgraded with the Instant Death special rule or a special close combat weapon, that allows it to roll 2D6 for its attacks and pick the highest
* Talos is equipped with twin-linked splinter cannon, can be upgraded to twin-linked blaster, twin-linked heat lance and another weapon that i have forgotten
* Both Talos and the Cronos have the Power from Pain rule, so they can get FnP and FC (S8 Talos on the charge)
* Reaver, Talos and Chronos have the Move through Cover USR
* Groteques can get a raider, Wracks can get raider or venom
* Talos is 5/3/7/7/3/4or5/D6/3+ and Cronos is 3/3/5/7/3/4or5/2/3+
* when the Cronos kills a model in cc, a unit in 12" gets a Pain Token. Can change this weapon against one of the following weapons, that also gives a Pain Token upon wounding:
Flame S4 DS 3 Assault or 18" S3 DS3 Assault Blast 5"
* the entry of the Inccubi is virtually the same as an aspect warrior entry: 5-10 warrior, exarch/klavex upgrade, 2 weapon options for klavex and 2 powers
* the Preferred enemy power only works for the Klavex
* Drazahr makes a unit Inccubis Fearless

* vehicle upgrades:
for 1 firewarrior each: nightfield, 5++ and Deep Strike
for 1/2 firewarrior each:
- if the raider moves over a unit it gets D3+1 hits with S4
- 2D6" extra movement
- enemy unit in 6" get -1 on thei Ld, must take a Ld if they try to assault the vehicle
- friendly units in 12" can reroll their moraletest
- raider can tankshot, if it rams it gets +D3 on its front armour
- for every 1 on a close combat to hit roll against the vehicle the unit gets a S4 hit
- splinter rifles and pistols (but no cannons) can reroll failed to hit rolls when shooting from the raider

**puma713**

Christ, with the point-cost algorithms.

How much is a freakin' firewarrior?

**chaos0xomega**

Wow, I actually had to think about that one for a sec, been a while since i used my Tau. 1FW=10pts

**poipo32**

* Flyers:
4 types of missiles, range 48"
1) S6 AP5 Blast 5"
2) S7 AP- Blast 5", reroll to wound
3) SX AP5 Blast 5", Poison 2+, Pinning
4) AP2 Blast 3", Test on initial Wounds or dead, cover and invulnerable saves allowed

Razorwing: 10/10/10
has 4 missiles of type 1), can upgrade to type 2) and 3)
Bomber: 11/11/10
can take upt to 4 missiles of any type
Type 4) costs 30 points
Has one Void Mine: S9 AP2 Blast 5", Lance, dropped on model underneath, D6" scatter

* Haemonculi can also take a huskblade
* Warriors don't have plasma greandes, but sybarite can take grenade launcher for 20 points which gives offensive and defensive grenades to the whole squad
* Trueborns can exchange their rifle for ccw and pistol for free or carbine for 5 points, can take plasma grenades for one point each. 4 Trueborn can take special weapons and 2 heavy weapons
* every third elite waych can take a wych weapon
* Incubi can't take plasma grenades or grenade launcher
* Groteques can take a champion, which can take some special ccw, but nothing which ignores armour, Wracks can also take a champion which can take an agonizer
* there is absolutely no way to give mandrakes a pain point without sacrificing their infiltration
* the combat drugs effects are: +1 A, +1 S, +1 WS, max out of 3D6 for running, reroll to wound in close combat, free Pain Token
* beastmasters don't have combat drugs and they are Beasts instead of Jump Troops
* Hellions have Fleet, Reavers have not
* Mandrakes have only 1 ccw, so only three attacks during an assault and 2 thereafter
* Jetbike fly-by-attack only works against one single unit even if there were several units on the path of the jetbikes. For determination wether an unit was under the jetbikes path or not you don't look at the actual path. You take the starting point and end point of the movement and draw a line.
* most squad champions can take ghostarmour (4+ and 6++) except wyches
* if there is a portal, even deepstriking or outflanking reserves can enter via the portal
* Talos is 100 points with D6 attacks, for 15 points it can take an additional ccw. For 5 points it can be upgraded with the Instant Death special rule or a special close combat weapon, that allows it to roll 2D6 for its attacks and pick the highest
* Talos is equipped with twin-linked splinter cannon, can be upgraded to twin-linked blaster, twin-linked heat lance and another weapon that i have forgotten
* Both Talos and the Cronos have the Power from Pain rule, so they can get FnP and FC (S8 Talos on the charge)
* Reaver, Talos and Chronos have the Move through Cover USR
* Groteques can get a raider, Wracks can get raider or venom
* Talos is 5/3/7/7/3/4or5/D6/3+ and Cronos is 3/3/5/7/3/4or5/2/3+
* when the Cronos kills a model in cc, a unit in 12" gets a Pain Token. Can change this weapon against one of the following weapons, that also gives a Pain Token upon wounding:
Flame S4 DS 3 Assault or 18" S3 DS3 Assault Blast 5"
* the entry of the Inccubi is virtually the same as an aspect warrior entry: 5-10 warrior, exarch/klavex upgrade, 2 weapon options for klavex and 2 powers
* the Preferred enemy power only works for the Klavex
* Drazahr makes a unit Inccubis Fearless

* vehicle upgrades:
for 10 points each: nightfield, 5++ and Deep Strike
for 5 points each:
- if the raider moves over a unit it gets D3+1 hits with S4
- 2D6" extra movement
- enemy unit in 6" get -1 on thei Ld, must take a Ld if they try to assault the vehicle
- friendly units in 12" can reroll their moraletest
- raider can tankshot, if it rams it gets +D3 on its front armour
- for every 1 on a close combat to hit roll against the vehicle the unit gets a S4 hit
- splinter rifles and pistols (but no cannons) can reroll failed to hit rolls when shooting from the raider

Translated for the Firewarrior-impaired.

**Munch Munch!**

Ah thanks for the translation. I was starting to worry if I would have to buy the codex to find out.

**The Survivor**

I think the new ravager looks so awesome especially the gun seat

**MajorTom11**

Not too thrilled with it... great model and all, but not enough to separate it from the Raider for me. Would have liked to see some extra bits to change it's silhouette just a touch more beyond the awesome looking side turrets.

Than again, nothing an able converter couldn't pimp with a little work and planning right! Just think something like a powercore on the deck, or an extra armor kit to bulk it out would have been fantastic.

**Xiahou Dun**

Destrado wrote:Is it me, or you people could, hum, take the prawns, artistic whatnot and stuff like that to a different section of the forum? It's all fun and dandy but the "quote and image reposts" are getting tiresome.

Plus, when in doubt regarding the DEldar, try to go to www.games-workshop.com . There's a wonderful chap called Jes Goodwin who's had a series of articles dedicated to how he created the dark kin. Let's try and leave this topic to the former discussion, lest the mods close it altogether.

Tried, tried and tried again. For some reason I am completely unable to get to the Games Workshop site at all. :(

**MajorTom11**

This is the Dark Eldar thread, not the Dark Eldar rules thread. How does it not make sense to discuss the models and aesthetics here??? You can't expect these kinds of threads to stay concise, too many people are interested and want to discuss. Is it still N&R? Yes, as it is being updated with new pics and info regularly... It's a forum, not a blog.

**JohnHwangDD**

puma713 wrote:
Jes Goodwin wrote:The finished designs were fully as dynamic as we had wanted, the addition of a new ball-ended flying stand allowed the boards to be tilted to emphasise the riders suitably wild positions.

Hope everything will be moving to these new ball-end flight sticks.

I wonder if these are the same "new" ball-end flight stands that the 3E Landspeeder used to come with...

**Gwar!**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
puma713 wrote:
Jes Goodwin wrote:The finished designs were fully as dynamic as we had wanted, the addition of a new ball-ended flying stand allowed the boards to be tilted to emphasise the riders suitably wild positions.

Hope everything will be moving to these new ball-end flight sticks.

I wonder if these are the same "new" ball-end flight stands that the 3E Landspeeder used to come with...

Yes, most likely.

**OverwatchCNC**

Gwar! wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
puma713 wrote:
Jes Goodwin wrote:The finished designs were fully as dynamic as we had wanted, the addition of a new ball-ended flying stand allowed the boards to be tilted to emphasise the riders suitably wild positions.

Hope everything will be moving to these new ball-end flight sticks.

I wonder if these are the same "new" ball-end flight stands that the 3E Landspeeder used to come with...
Yes, most likely.

BOOOOOOO! Those were the worst flight stand ends in the history of gaming. If they are the same I will just continue magnetizing all my flying stands. Back on topic, those are some amazing pics and rumors about what's in the codex, I can't wait to get my hands on the black box figs in the near future!

**plastictrees**

It doesn't look like that from those pics. I'm assuming that the ball fits into a socket in the actual model now instead of that being a seperate piece.

**OverwatchCNC**

That sounds like it would be much better but I will have to hold off judgement until I have seen them in use on a table top to see how that socket joint will hold up. I sincerely hope it works well, they've had long enough to develop it!

**poipo32**

It does go REALLY off topic at some points in these 48 pages.
Otherwise I agree with you.

**MajorTom11**

Agreed, believe me, sometimes I wish for old Brimstone style Warseer locked sections with just the meat and no potatoes too! Just not realistic on a popular topic open thread...

**Cardinal Xaphan**

I really like the evil, Chaotic feel to the new DE models and also how they still have the Eldar styling to them. The models really reflect Eldar fallen to Chaos.

**Klawz**

Cardinal Xaphan wrote:I really like the evil, Chaotic feel to the new DE models and also how they still have the Eldar styling to them. The models really reflect Eldar fallen to Chaos.

But they haven't fallen to chaos....

**Farmer**

Klawz wrote:
Cardinal Xaphan wrote:I really like the evil, Chaotic feel to the new DE models and also how they still have the Eldar styling to them. The models really reflect Eldar fallen to Chaos.
But they haven't fallen to chaos....

Actually in a way they have, but don't want to admit it.

**Klawz**

Farmer wrote:
Klawz wrote:
Cardinal Xaphan wrote:I really like the evil, Chaotic feel to the new DE models and also how they still have the Eldar styling to them. The models really reflect Eldar fallen to Chaos.
But they haven't fallen to chaos....

Actually in a way they have, but don't want to admit it.

Well, they're not growing tentecles or anytihng like that...

**Lord of Change**

The new plastic Helions look a lot better than the old metal models.

I'm looking forward to getting some reavers when they are released. The new Archon is so cool!

**Farmer**

Klawz wrote:
Farmer wrote:
Klawz wrote:
Cardinal Xaphan wrote:I really like the evil, Chaotic feel to the new DE models and also how they still have the Eldar styling to them. The models really reflect Eldar fallen to Chaos.
But they haven't fallen to chaos....

Actually in a way they have, but don't want to admit it.
Well, they're not growing tentecles or anytihng like that...

Yeah so? they're still giving slannesh souls so it doesn't take theirs.

**Destrado**

MajorTom11 wrote:This is the Dark Eldar thread, not the Dark Eldar rules thread. How does it not make sense to discuss the models and aesthetics here??? You can't expect these kinds of threads to stay concise, too many people are interested and want to discuss. Is it still N&R? Yes, as it is being updated with new pics and info regularly... It's a forum, not a blog.

It seems we're going to be on opposite sides of a discussion... It makes sense to discuss models and all, but after a few pages, shrimps, and armadillo... it just turns ridiculous, and was leading to a flamefest. I'm all for blood, but some people have (and will) post regularly valuable info and images that gets buried under other threads. I was enjoying the discussion, but I don't think this particular thread should be for that.

I wonder if the troops will be sold for 12.50, 16, or 19. I usually buy stuff at discount, but the price discrepancy between units is rather odd. I'll end up buying them anyway... been waiting for this for too long. There isn't a single unit I don't like, and I can't wait to get some raiders to convert the extra "crew"

**Phototoxin**

I think they're going to be a little more pirate like this time round..

**Kroothawk**

Sorry no new animal pics, but new pics (posted by Scryer) of a Hellion, of another Mandrake and the Webway Portal (which is a repainted Vortex Granade template, metal, 7.50 €):

BramGaunt posted pics of the artwork (warning, big pics!)

Drazhar: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2503/a012G8KGP.jpg

Decapitator: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2504/a013MVNNN.jpg

Hellionlord whatever'hisnames: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2505/a0143RIGZ.jpg

Razorwing (?) : http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2506/a0153V01P.jpg

Venom, a bit blurry... : http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2507/a016HEZG8.jpg

Talos: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2508/a01718FW8.jpg

Scourges: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2509/a019ZQZTH.jpg

**JohnHwangDD**

Still am not sold on Wych cult, Goblin Gliders don't impress.

Mandrakes are good.

The Webway portal "model" is funny, but if it's Vortex grenade, then it's only 3" diameter, not 5" diameter?

**Destrado**

bramgaunt wrote:

Well, while Frgt/10 provided you with all the info, I thought some Artwork would be apreciated.

Drazhar: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2503/a012G8KGP.jpg

Decapitator: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2504/a013MVNNN.jpg

Hellionlord whatever'hisnames: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2505/a0143RIGZ.jpg

Razorwing (?) : http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2506/a0153V01P.jpg

Venom, a bit blurry... : http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2507/a016HEZG8.jpg

Talos: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2508/a01718FW8.jpg

Scourges: http://www.pixup.org/bilder/2509/a019ZQZTH.jpg

Yes, they are big. No, I won't scale them down. Deal with it. [/quote=bramgaunt]

From warseer, courtesy of... great stuff

**Erasoketa**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
The Webway portal "model" is funny, but if it's Vortex grenade, then it's only 3" diameter, not 5" diameter?

In the old codex the Webway portal rules used the small blast template. IIRC that's 3", so it wouldn't have changed.

**Destrado**

The Scourge artwork looks awesome. Can't wait to see the miniatures for that, the Talos, the Decapitor... Heck, I want to see the entry for the Court of the Archon, more than the rest in the 'Dex. Sounds really awesome.