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Jackmojo wrote:

gorgon wrote:
@Fateweaver -- I'm not convinced that the new IB is better. It depends if Troops/units under IB can hold/contest objectives.

I've not heard whether they can or not either, but it occurs to me that if all the troops have the "feed" behavior that may make holding objectives without synapse functionally impossible if not specifically forbidden.

I believe Termagants Lurk.

Fateweaver wrote:Hmm, It's been confirmed by trusted sources on seer that OOE is in the codex, it's the Red Terror that doesn't have rules, only some fluff.

Like I said, it was the manager of my local GW that said 'Old One Eye isn't in the new Codex', but the staff have been wrong before. I made a specific point of asking, seeing as I have an Old One Eye model from way back that needs repainting, and I wanted to know whether to paint it as a regular 'Fex or in Old One Eye's 'beetle' colours. I guess we'll find out on the 16th

The amount of inconsistency between different sources is alarming

That's the only certainty, it seems.

It's bizarre how sources keep lining up on certain things but then keep differing on others. It almost seems like an intentional campaign of misinformation. Which I don't actually think is the case. GW wouldn't put in that kind of effort.

Gw may simply be putting out misinformation to find the leaks. IIRC they've done it before.

Anyone else notice there's pics with Tervigon's in the Winter War objectives article posted today?

Page 4 of the article, 1 maybe 2 Tervigons

I see plenty of conversions using older models and some of Moloch's own Tyranids.

Yeah not saying they are official GW ones, but cool to see some spider like MCs surrounded by termagants.

Winter: Thats actually a staff's army mate.
All of which is heavily converted and was featured in a WD a while ago.
The flyrant is one example of this, he also has a 4 legged lictor (talon legs i think) in his army, along with tyrant guard with thrope heads and a human unit (parasites)

Ill try and dig out his army pics, but its some pretty nice stuff.

I dunno, I am looking at the middle MCs on square bases, they are too big to be lictors and while they could be old carnifex conversions, they sure fit the part. They look much like what Tervigons are rumored to look like and be armed with. If this is a staff army, seems plausible he made some new units for playtesting. *shrug* Or I am just seeing things.

winterman wrote:Anyone else notice there's pics with Tervigon's in the Winter War objectives article posted today?

Page 4 of the article, 1 maybe 2 Tervigons

The square based guys?

nvm I found them on moloch's website (tucked away). I would be surprised if they weren't repping Tervigon's, but they are nothing new to see I guess. Sorry folks!

I'm guessing resorting to IB wouldn't make a unit not scoring. Forcing a squad to eat dirt (pinning them) no longer takes away scoring status. In fact that's what SM Scouts are good at doing. Eat dirt on bottom of the 5th, get a 2+ save and you most likely will survive to hold (or deny a vital KP).

Not saying IB and pinning are one in the same as they aren't but nothing except the units own rules prevent a unit from scoring (except falling back but none of the units fall back anymore...they either suffer from Rage USR or shoot without moving).

I'm pretty sure the unspeakable horror is just the horror psychic ability.

I see plenty of conversions using older models and some of Moloch's own Tyranids.

Moloch's been mixing it up with the studio for quite some time I guess, and I'm 100% sure the name Mawloc is a tribute to him. Like I said before, this doesn't make the name any less slowed.

winterman wrote:Anyone else notice there's pics with Tervigon's in the Winter War objectives article posted today?

Page 4 of the article, 1 maybe 2 Tervigons

That image is from the Apocalypse book.

Yes...which happens to have been printed quite a while before the scheduled nid release. My guess is they are conversions.

I wonder exactly how long Moloch has been in cahoots with the studio. His stuff was in the last codex, and I think I read a WD battlereport using his models against Orks possibly before that.

Railguns wrote:in cahoots ?

And that is the point where my English skills fail.

It means conspiring.

Still looking for a confirmation as to whether a Trygon can assault if he lands on a unit or just "stops" next to it like a drop pod.

Dunno about you guys, but that's what I'm looking for the most.

Moloch wrote:

Railguns wrote:in cahoots ?

And that is the point where my English skills fail.

LOL. I think the original poster meant "cahoots" to mean "collaborating with" and not "conspiring with." Because conspiring seems a little dire when talking about little toy dinobugs.




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FlammingGaunt wrote:I'm pretty sure the unspeakable horror is just the horror psychic ability.

Yeah, although the rumor was that The Horror was a different ability that just forced a single unit in 18" to make a morale check or fall back. Which would be potentially useful against units backed up against their board edge. But that set of rumors has been contradicted in other places, so I don't really even know what's accurate anymore.

At this point I'm hoping for a preorder accident that gets my codex sent out to me two weeks early.

Old one eye is in. Red Terror is not. Seen it in the printed out version of the german codex.

We should find a way to put all the rumors together so that folks don't have to read through this whole thread.

Greets
Schepp himself

gorgon wrote:

Moloch wrote:

Railguns wrote:in cahoots ?

And that is the point where my English skills fail.

LOL. I think the original poster meant "cahoots" to mean "collaborating with" and not "conspiring with." Because conspiring seems a little dire when talking about little toy dinobugs.

>Phew< I am relieved that no one has insulted my mother then...

That image is from the Apocalypse book.

Ahh, well I hate Apocalypse and don't own the book. Sorry again for the false alarm.

gorgon wrote:LOL. I think the original poster meant "cahoots" to mean "collaborating with" and not "conspiring with." Because conspiring seems a little dire when talking about little toy dinobugs.

Well im not a native english speaker so i did the best i can, collaborating does have a less evil ring to it though.


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Schepp himself wrote:Old one eye is in. Red Terror is not. Seen it in the printed out version of the german codex.

We should find a way to put all the rumors together so that folks don't have to read through this whole thread.

Greets
Schepp himself

QFT

Schepp himself wrote:Old one eye is in. Red Terror is not. Seen it in the printed out version of the german codex.

We should find a way to put all the rumors together so that folks don't have to read through this whole thread.

Greets
Schepp himself

Remind me to never ask a GW employee about a forthcoming release again Thanks for clearing that up, Schepp.

Schepp himself wrote:Old one eye is in. Red Terror is not. Seen it in the printed out version of the german codex.
We should find a way to put all the rumors together so that folks don't have to read through this whole thread.
Greets
Schepp himself

It is all summerised on Warpshadow - http://forum.warpshadow.com/viewtopic.php?t=12625&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
and in German here - http://www.gw-fanworld.net/showthread.php?t=129381
We just need someone who can edit the first post here...

I am going to take this brief opportunity to ramble on a bit about what, from the rumours, I could see as going builds.

The Classic: A balanced aprach, staring lots of gaunts, a dash of MC's, and a bunch of the middle sized beasts. Really, anything goes. This looks like it might be one of the more common Builds.

Midzilla: Lots of the Mid-Sized monsters. Warriors for troops, Alphas for HQ, basically anything for Elites, Raveners foe Fast attack, and Biovores for heavy. The plan is to overwhelm the enemy with Multi-Wound creatures.

Toxishock: Spammed poison attacks. Basicaly, if it is S4 or less, it gets toxin sacks.

Nidzilla: It isn't gone, the adress has merely changed. I could see a couple types becomeing popular.

--Neo-Classical: Large numbers of Carnifex', with Hive Tyrant HQ. Instead of Elites, this build uses Broods of Carnifex'.
--Podzilla: In this varient, all your MC's ride in spore pods. Idea is to deepstrike in close and rip things apart.
--Endless Swarm: Sounds odd to call this Nidzilla, doesn't it? This army works on Tervigon Spam. Two in HQ, Three in troops, and the gaunt hordes. I do not see this as being to competetive, but it is themed, and looks fun.
--Creature Shock: Simply overwhelming your opponent with as Many MC's as you can fit. probbably will be the "Balanced" Nidzilla List.

See, I'm seeing several viable builds, not just one spamming carnifexes over and over again.

Nidzilla is not dead, Dakkafexes are not dead. I also don't see the Trygon or Mawloc becoming the defacto and only viable HS creature either.

We'll know more in a week or more but I am liking everything about this new codex.

yeah, me too. the only thing i would hate to see is the tervigon get spammed and abused. i've seen people hypothesize lists with like 5 of them in it.

i've been patiently waiting to see what this guy looks like, and i just don't want it to be the new assault terminators or nob bikers.

it has just a cool concept and i don't want it ruined like gene stealers have been for me. in the current codex if your not taking a brood lord with genestealers you can't be competitive, which means everyone takes them and they just seem so gross now.